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Zephie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 01:48 PM Original message |
Artist Could Face 15 Years In Prison For Recording His Own Arrest |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
1. so then -- how does this law apply to cop cams? if at all? nt |
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Fuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Good question |
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villager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 01:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Laws? Applying to cops? In modern America? |
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DCKit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. It's probably illegal to suponea police video to use in your own defense. |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
46. They are above the law. |
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Dogmudgeon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
2. "Eavesdropping" in a public place? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 01:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Seems like a very similar law was just ruled unconstitutional |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Wasn't that Ragin' in Miami? |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Carlos's deal was different. |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
7. So now he's going to help strike down the unconstitutional eavesdropping law. |
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ixion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
10. We get more like China everyday... |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
11. Wow. What a fucked up law. |
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alphafemale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
12. This isn't going to end well for Chicago. |
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X_Digger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 03:59 PM Response to Reply #12 |
58. Absolutely-- another protracted lawsuit that the citizens will end up footing the bill for. |
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firehorse (547 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
13. So he gets more time than white collar crime? and murderers? |
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Zephie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Don't forget child molestors and rapists! |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. certainly more time than past and current war criminals. he ought buy a drone lol nt |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 03:33 PM Response to Original message |
16. The cops won't be happy until we have no rights left |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 04:22 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Who do you think creates and interprets the law? |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. cops pick and choose which laws to enforce. |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Has anyone ever done that? Probably not |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 08:25 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. "The police are not the people who create and interpret laws" |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Who created the laws that he violated? Who protects them in the courts? |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 04:53 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. I don't support the tyranny of allowing police to decide our laws |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. The legislature made the eavesdropping law and the courts determined how it will be enforced |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. Oh bullshit |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. It is bullshit that you think tyranny is "discretion" |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. So let me get this straight, you're saying that if the cops didn't charge this man |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. If the police get to unilaterally determine the laws then it is tyranny |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:30 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. God, you are one thick headed individual |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:36 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Oh no! Someone disagrees with you and backs it up with facts, run like a scared child |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. No, tryanny is arresting somebody and threatening them with prison for 15 years |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 03:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Tyranny is passing laws that make it illegal to film in public |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 03:54 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. "You want the police to disregard the legal framework society has set forth for them by picking |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 04:13 PM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Your opinion is riddled with double think |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Answer the question dude, don't try and change the subject |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 04:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. He broke the law in front of the police, while breaking other laws |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 04:34 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. That's not an answer |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. It is the answer, you just don't have the legal knowledge to understand it |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Thank you |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 05:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Oh and one other thing: |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. Please educate yourself about how the American legal system works |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. Oh fucking PLEASE! Are you reading from a pamphlet the Cops hand out to kindergarteners? |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #42 |
51. No, he saw it on the Teevee |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:50 PM Response to Reply #22 |
31. The cops didn't charge him with this, the District Attorney did |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:54 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. I have a hard time believing that the DA just came in |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. The police can only arrest him and hold him for a limited amount of time |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. And I'm certainly not absolving the DA of responsibility |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. Whether or not it was the cops' idea is irrelevant |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. No it's not irrelevant. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. Again, you can be outraged at the cops for arresting him |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 04:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
59. First of all, the odds that this man will get 15 years are EXTREMELY low |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 08:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. You think the politicians were breathing down the cops' neck |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 08:33 PM Response to Reply #21 |
24. The police didn't make these laws and they don't protect them in the courts |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 04:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. No, I'm sorry. But you are the one living in a fantasy world. n/t |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I must have missed the part in Poli Sci where they said that the police.... |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Well you did miss the part where they have discretion over what they charge |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. What court case did you use to determine that the police have this authority |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Um, I'm basing it on the fact that cops do it all the time |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:34 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. Which is to say that your opinion is not based on any legal framework |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. I haven't handed shit over to the police |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 03:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. What do you call giving the police the authority to void our laws? |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 03:51 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. On the contrary, there is a SHITLOAD of ambiguity |
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Taitertots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I've given you the text of the law, there is no ambiguity |
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Downtown Hound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 04:16 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. There's nothing confused about my mind |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
20. I'm sorry, but if you're in a public place, you can have no expectation of privacy. |
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RedCloud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 08:30 PM Response to Original message |
23. meanwhile bimbo police officers entrap loser guys for soliciting. |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:59 PM Response to Original message |
34. Now we can all feel safe that this menace is locked away. |
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ljm2002 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
52. I hope the ACLU gets involved... |
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Electric Monk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jan-24-11 07:03 PM Response to Original message |
70. 15 years for eavesdropping on himself? |
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