For at least the past year, probably longer, I have been openly down on MSNBC a being worse than Fox

[Stinky The Clown]

And they are. They're "liberal" because they can make a buck at it. They hire what I honestly believe are real liberals for the prime time lineup and let them do their thing. As long as they're making money. And as long as the liberals hold the line on some fundamentals that matter to Ownership.

For the talent, being a liberal doesn't make one immune to being a businessperson.

It now seems, after all the orgasmic speculation of last evening, that KO left over a rather mundane, run-of-the-mill, nothing special, financial dispute. He wanted more than his his $7M a year and the suits told him to take a hike.

They've already filled his slot. A new liberal joins the fold in the face of one Cenk Ugyar. The time slots have been juggled. And life will go on.

I liked Keith. I appreciated his righteous anger. He was fun to watch, which is a good thing in a news show. I hope he turns up elsewhere. I hope he gets the extra $2M he wants. But if he doesn't, oh well. Its not like he hasn't had a chance to salt some bacon over the last ten years.

I still think MSNBC sucks. I still think they're worse than Fox. And I think they'll get worse under Comcast.

[Dappleganger]

1. I'm not buying the notion from you that they are worse than FOX.

[Stinky The Clown]

2. I find myself unable to care less. It is an opinion, just as you have opinions.

But thanks for sharing.

[Dappleganger]

3. I'm not being snarky...

I just am not buying that they are actually worse than a station which IS the republican party. The least you could do is give some examples of why you think that way.

[Stinky The Clown]

12. Fair enough . . . .

Fox is blatant and overt. Nothing subtle. As clear as a brick through a window.

MSNBC, on the other hand, is insidious. People tune in for the liberal perspective and they get it. But only to a point. Upon careful listening, you can see how they shave certain stories and under report others. Largely, they tell liberals what they already know and what they want to hear. This isn't constant. It only happens when the other side is really hurting.

I expect nothing from Fox. I am never disappointed.

With MSNBC I am always wary for the slant, the shading, the subtle messages.

[Faygo Kid]

5. Agreed. Don't buy the premise, Stinky.

Faux is alone at the "top."

[AsahinaKimi]

33. Totally agree

+1000

[elleng]

30. Not for a moment.

MS presents facts, opinion and discussion based on fact; F-x does not. NO COMPARISON, NOT in the same ballgame.

[RKP5637]

4. I think in any of these outfits anymore the bottom line is all the counts. They will

peddle what sells well. I do think they will get worse under Comcast.

[elias49]

6. Cenk is horrible. Too bad. nt

[asjr]

7. They should have fired Pat Buchanan.

[RKP5637]

31. Pat's an angry man. n/t

[pacalo]

8. Nothing against you, but I disagree completely, except for the last sentence.

And this: "I liked Keith. I appreciated his righteous anger. He was fun to watch, which is a good thing in a news show. I hope he turns up elsewhere."

MSNBC was not like Fixed News in any respect.

[aquart]

9. You are confusing KO's income with what WE wanted and got.

And I object to your dismissive attitude toward the feelings that have been expressed here.

Not to mention your apparent belief that people are interchangeable parts to be swapped in and out at will. That is the belief system of 1984, not Democrats in 2011, I hope.

[Stinky The Clown]

15. All the wild speculation?

True enough, not everyone speculated. But go back and read what got written after 9PM EST. A **lot** of it was unfounded speculation and repeated rumors.

I'm simply adding my own views to those already proffered. Mine are no less valid, even if in opposition to some, are they?

[onehandle]

10. With the loss of Keith, MSNBC loses much of its journalistic integrity.

I smell an Air America death spiral.

[Stinky The Clown]

13. I see Maddow as being more a true journalist than KO.

[Vickers]

11. "I still think they're worse than Fox."

Bwahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!1!!!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:








(oh...you were serious. sorry!)

:blush:

[Stinky The Clown]

16. No, I wasn't serious . . . . .

. . . . I was trying to be your straight man.

[oldlib]

14. Without Keith

we can expect only lockup to fill most of their programming. What a waste.

[Ozymanithrax]

17. Several problems with this.

(1) Worse than FOX. I don't see it. They don't have people like Beck who wile trying to convince the everyone to the left of Nixon is a Nazi tries to swindle his listeners into buying gold.
(2) As to liberalism and money. Liberalism grew from the movement to bring individual rights. In a country that values individual rights, some people will get wealthy. Other left side ideologies, such as socialism and communism do not look askance at wealth. But liberals are neither socialists nor communists. (And in China we now see that the profit motive can exist in Communist systems.)
(3) Finally, it is very likely that any agreement Keith took when they bought out his contract, confidentiality would keep him from disclosing what, if anything, COMCAST had to do with it.

[Swamp Rat]

18. Nothing is worse than FUX Noise

[dionysus]

19. agreed.

[pintobean]

20. Rec

[hlthe2b]

21. Boy, are you on a roll tonight. Are you intentionally trying to be

provocative? I'll just leave it at my disagreeing totally especially since we don't know other than speculative reporting what happened. Worse than Fox? Good God.

[coolhip33]

22. Hey Stinky - could you provide details to your statement

"For at least the past year, probably longer, I have been openly down on MSNBC a being worse than Fox"

"Upon careful listening, you can see how they shave certain stories and under report others. Largely, they tell liberals what they already know and what they want to hear." ?

[Caretha]

23. How do you know

that KO was holding out for an additonal 2 mil a year. As I understand it, his contract wasn't up for another 2 years, hence it would not be negotiated until then.

Please give me a link to this accusation.

[hlthe2b]

24. There are stories now being promoted that have KO doing everything

from heading to Hollywood to work for Sorkin to starting his own media empire. :eyes: One has to wonder who is behind all these stories. Let's see, who would have something to benefit?

Yet, some are taking these various stories at face value, though we've heard nothing (and may not) from KO.

It is as though the President of Comcast had to literally come down to Rockefeller Center and personally fire KO in order for them to have had any role whatsoever and since that didn't happen, Comcast is off the hook. I am incredulous that some are buying this premise and concluding that this was just Keith's being ready to leave and having initiated this with no push whatsoever. Heavens.

[Caretha]

27. In other words

these are rumors to try to get MSNBC and Comcast off the hook. Well the crooks/liars will spin it every way they can, but I have faith in KO to set the record straight. I also have faith in KO to do what he can in order to give those assholes a good ol' "don't fuck with me" response.\

I'll be waiting to see what he comes up with. It should be interesting.

[grasswire]

25. I honestly don't think it was about money, Stinky

If it was just a contractual difference, I think Keith would not have blindsided his viewers by ending the run in the way it was ended -- an ending that has caused a lot of grief. I think he really cares about his viewers. He is a soft-hearted man who wants to do good in the world. (And has done so.)

I think last night was a surprise to him. But I also think he expected this would come eventually and has plan B well worked out.

[Odin2005]

26. Yup. I think the liberal folks on MSNBC self-censor themselves. Questioning do deeply...

...would be bad for job security, and would be bad for the Corporate DLC establishment.

The Big-Wings don't mind as long as Rachel, Ed, and Co. do not expose the 2-party system to be a scam and so as to keep equating Obama's corporatist policies as "liberal".

[upi402]

29. + 1,000 ^ n/t

[Stinky The Clown]

32. That's a good part of it. They *know* the facts just like everyone else who thinks critically

What they don't do is report it. They could. But they don't. Because those are the ground rules.

[Bluenorthwest]

28. Stinky, you have jumped the shark

Which is what KO just avoided doing, which is why he gets the big bucks.