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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 08:22 PM Original message |
Something is really fishy about the LA teacher's case involving seniority and layoffs |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. I'd want to look at their contract |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. I have literally never heard of a district not being able to |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 09:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. I've never heard of it either |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #2 |
14. They did make teachers move--and these dedicated professionals quit--- |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. bullshit. villagaroisa himself fired all the staff at the schools in question when he took them |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. You've got the wrong time period. Read the Complaint--it's about 2009-2010. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. yes, he was. and? he's not the first "organizer" to work against labor. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. I'll trust the opinion of the ACLU over yours...nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. you'll trust any opinion that favors deform over mine. big news, stop the presses. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. ok then the district shouldn't have had to lay off as many teachers |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 08:47 PM Response to Original message |
3. There are a couple of fishy things about it. I read a bit about what was going on when the lawsuit |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 01:57 AM Response to Reply #3 |
7. parking |
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knitter4democracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 09:10 PM Response to Original message |
4. So, if it wasn't about seniority, they sure were able to use it anyway. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-22-11 09:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. I think this case is about firing teachers |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 07:59 AM Response to Original message |
8. kick |
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Dorian Gray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
9. That's a good analysis of the situation |
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woo me with science (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 08:32 AM Response to Original message |
10. It would not surprise me if LA schools were doing something shifty with money. |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 12:38 PM Response to Original message |
11. kick |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
12. I still don't understand how seniority has anything to do with it. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Read the complaint--teachers who were moved, quit-- |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. lol. 4 teachers quit. you think none of villagairosa's 1-year hires quit? |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. then no one at those schools should have been laid off |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. I get what you are saying. But it doesn't square with what happened. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. bullshit |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. Yes, I read it, and I still don't understand why seniority is being blamed. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:13 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. you know why |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:28 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Well, yes, I know the political reasons—to destroy the union, but... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:40 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. they can blame it on tenure because villagairosa fired all the teachers at the schools |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:18 PM Response to Original message |
13. Here's the problem with your calculations--you didn't read the Complaint, which |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Deleted sub-thread |
dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. thanks for the link |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 07:01 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. villagairosa fired all the teachers at the schools in question in 2008. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
18. It's a lot fishy. |
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msanthrope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. No--you illustrate the point the ACLU made, very well... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. presumably the teachers the mayor fired in 2008 "wanted" to be there too. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 06:15 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Exactly. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. +again -- you're not going to convince people |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 07:06 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Thanks xchrom. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 07:17 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. They are 'promiscuous' - they have lawyers and take cases |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 07:19 PM Response to Reply #36 |
39. you might look into villagairosa's past presidency of the southern california aclu. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. +1 - I want to mark this. Nt |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-23-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. +100 |
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