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DearAbby
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:20 AM Original message |
Christians Firebomb A Gay Man's House |
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:26 AM Response to Original message |
1. Christians? You're going to brand an entire religion based on the acts of a lone lunatic? Bullshit. |
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DearAbby
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:36 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. It was the title of the article |
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regnaD kciN
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Us sane Christians have been vocal about this... |
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DearAbby
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
43. I am sorry |
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roxiejules
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
100. Ministers condemn act of hatred against local gay man |
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WiffenPoof
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:09 PM Response to Reply #3 |
148. I'm Baffled By... |
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:51 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Sorry, you also reposted something that is clearly bullshit. |
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stranger81
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #4 |
55. Seriously??? The only hate crime here was perpetrated against a gay man, |
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #55 |
96. yep, that's how I see it too. n/t |
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Dappleganger
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #2 |
14. Stupid fundies are not OUR fault. |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:40 AM Response to Reply #14 |
26. Are "fundies" a minority or a majority in your religion? |
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Celeborn Skywalker
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. About 80% of Americans are Christian |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Interesting. |
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Celeborn Skywalker
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. I don't know. |
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Dappleganger
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. WE aren't. |
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Shandris
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:16 PM Response to Reply #40 |
65. Good question. |
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WiffenPoof
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:10 PM Response to Reply #40 |
149. Well Stated! n/t |
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uppityperson
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #40 |
166. You could say the same thing about any group that has fundies. |
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Goblinmonger
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. Way to play with words |
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Celeborn Skywalker
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #48 |
56. The number of fundamentalists |
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sarcasmo
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
159. Guess being an Atheist I must be the super minority. |
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Dappleganger
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
58. They are a minority in my religion... |
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LanternWaste
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #26 |
68. I imagine that as long the vocal minority |
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timtom
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
71. Are teabaggers a majority or a minority in this country? |
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #2 |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:42 AM Response to Reply #24 |
28. The title seems accurate to me. |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. It wasn't a Christian group any more than the KKK is a Christian group |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
46. So, the "No true Scottsman" fallacy. |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #46 |
77. WADR I believe it is you who have committed a No True Scotsman, not me |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #77 |
104. The very christians who committed this act haven't denounced it. |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:43 PM Response to Reply #104 |
117. Yes, they haven't denounced it because they are terrorists |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #117 |
122. How incredibly convenient. |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #122 |
136. That's a classic Straw Man |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:21 PM Response to Reply #136 |
139. That's exactly what you're suggesting, whether you acknowledge it or not. |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:24 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. You've crossed the line here, presenting your opinions as "facts" |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:27 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. Those are facts as surely as we need oxygen to live. |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:47 PM Response to Reply #142 |
143. Repeating a Straw Man doesn't make it a better description of my position |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:59 PM Response to Reply #143 |
145. Do I care what your religion is? NT |
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Nuclear Unicorn
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #145 |
156. And Obama is an anti-corporate progressive liberal...the D next to his name proves it |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:39 PM Response to Reply #156 |
157. Was this reply meant for me? |
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Nuclear Unicorn
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #157 |
161. OK, but claiming to be part of a group does not make it so |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:35 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. A large number of Christians share those values. |
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Nuclear Unicorn
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #163 |
167. Share what values? For firebombing? |
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EOTE
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Wed Jan-26-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #167 |
173. It's neither a rule nor an exception. |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #77 |
111. And you are free to claim that this attack wasn't attributable to Christianity. |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #111 |
118. It's inflammatory to say so, just as it would be to focus on their race or ethnicity |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:58 PM Response to Reply #118 |
124. And it's surely impossible for a christian to also be a terrorist. |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #124 |
138. I've never said any such thing. |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:25 PM Response to Reply #138 |
141. Ahhh, I see. So it's the OTHER religions that are a problem. |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:51 PM Response to Reply #141 |
144. Replacing one Straw Man with another Straw Man doesn't result in an accurate depiction of my view |
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EOTE
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #144 |
147. This term "Straw Man", it does not mean what you think it does. |
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WiffenPoof
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:18 PM Response to Reply #138 |
150. Wow...Unbelievable... |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. The two are not mutually exclusive. |
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Goblinmonger
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #35 |
49. The KKK IS Christian. |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
79. The horrible crimes they commit are not a result of their religion |
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Goblinmonger
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. But they are terrorists because their religion |
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slackmaster
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #86 |
98. I think 99% of Christians, the Vatican, and others would disagree with their interpretation |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Jan-25-11 03:04 PM Response to Reply #79 |
125. They themselves would disagree with you. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 03:28 PM Response to Reply #35 |
132. The world doesn't get that |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. Come on, don't be vague, tell us how you really feel. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:47 AM Response to Reply #2 |
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roxiejules
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #2 |
95. It sounds like they DID stand up... |
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comsymp
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Tue Jan-25-11 03:08 PM Response to Reply #95 |
126. Welll, yes and no |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:51 AM Response to Reply #1 |
8. I'm with you on that. |
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Goblinmonger
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:34 PM Response to Reply #8 |
50. They have biblical support for their viewpoints. |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #50 |
70. The Christian Bible |
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justiceischeap
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:31 PM Response to Reply #70 |
78. Except these folks go by Old Testament and not New Testament |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #78 |
89. If they do not"go by" |
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justiceischeap
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:16 PM Original message |
And many of these Theofascists would disagree. |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
123. I didn't say we "ignore" the Old Testament. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:43 PM Response to Reply #89 |
164. So the 10 Commandments no longer apply? Or are you just |
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WiffenPoof
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #70 |
151. Well...Perhaps These Priests... |
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Tue Jan-25-11 08:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
9. Were they Muslims? |
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:45 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. Can you refute anything in the article? |
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. actually, perverted bigots hiding behind Christianity flamed a man's |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. Are you saying that the people responsible for this firebombing are not "real" christians? |
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #27 |
93. No True Scotsman! No True Scotsman! |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #93 |
105. uh, thanks? |
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:18 PM Response to Reply #105 |
162. Yeah, I was agreeing with you. |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:02 PM Response to Reply #162 |
168. Got it. Thanks for the clarification. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:16 PM Response to Reply #27 |
107. yes I am. I don't recall Jesus saying this was okay and any other |
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Jokerman
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #107 |
113. This IS christianity as it is practiced by many people. |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. That is completely illogical. "Christians" does not mean "All Christians". |
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Heidi
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #17 |
30. A more accurate headline would have been "Christian extremists..." or "Christian fundamentalists." |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. Extremists yes, but also more verbose (and I'm not sure fundamentalists is accurate). |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #44 |
72. One word is "verbose"?? |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:31 PM Response to Reply #72 |
154. It's a 20-25% increase in headline length. |
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Goblinmonger
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
51. I think they are more of the majority than you let on. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:46 AM Response to Reply #17 |
32. yup, the same way that "Men" does not mean "All Men" n/t |
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Heidi
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #32 |
74. I actually agree that broadbrushes of "men" are horseshit. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
22. It does not say that. Honest speaking is big in Christianity. |
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cleanhippie
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:39 AM Response to Reply #1 |
25. Yes, since the shoe fits AND its the title of the article. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:49 AM Response to Reply #1 |
34. Not all Christians, but whoever is responsible probably considers themselves to BE a Christian. nt |
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Goblinmonger
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
45. They are Christians and did it because of their religious beliefs. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
61. It doesn't say which "Christian hate group" it is... |
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #1 |
90. Seems legit to me |
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Warren DeMontague
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
94. It's so important that, in the first post of the thread, you identified the "real" victims, here. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
110. It was a christian group. Not bullshit at all. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
114. Indeed..... |
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knitter4democracy
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
5. "Possible" hate crime? |
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I'm guessing that they don't have solid evidence ... |
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knitter4democracy
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:01 PM Response to Reply #7 |
146. Oh, I can see why the police might say that--it just stuck out. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:58 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. +1 |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Well, it could be that whoever wrote the note wanted people to think it was. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
153. So...You're Saying... |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:35 PM Response to Reply #153 |
155. No, I'm saying someone with a grudge against this man might want to avoid suspicion. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:15 PM Response to Reply #5 |
106. +100 |
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Tue Jan-25-11 07:34 AM Response to Original message |
6. it was`t till further into the article that "christian hate groups"... |
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
11. Sounds like shit.... |
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Heidi
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Tue Jan-25-11 09:54 AM Response to Original message |
12. Ministers condemn act of hatred against local gay man (church will help rebuild home) |
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. Thanks for adding more information. Very helpful. n/t |
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
15. I'm sure Jesus would approve. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
16. If Gay people tried to burn down the house of a Christian this would be front page news EVERYWHERE |
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Heidi
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I agree it would be spun every which way, but that would be a sh!tty headline, too. (nt) |
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:44 AM Response to Reply #21 |
29. In some nations, Christian groups are openly attempting to |
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Heidi
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:53 AM Response to Reply #29 |
36. Those are Christian extremist groups, just as there are Muslim extremist groups. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
103. I'm sorry but "Mainstream Christianity" is extreme. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #21 |
52. Not if it was done because of his gay beliefs. |
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Heidi
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #52 |
73. Do you know any Christians? I live in a country where many people claim a "faith" but are in reality |
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Heidi
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
75. What are "gay beliefs"? |
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Goblinmonger
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:56 PM Response to Reply #75 |
88. I said it wasn't possible. |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
76. They burned down the house |
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Goblinmonger
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #76 |
87. Gays are an abomination |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:04 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. No - it isn't.. |
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Goblinmonger
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
101. So the old testament has no impact on Christians? |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #101 |
116. The New Testament |
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Goblinmonger
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Tue Jan-25-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #116 |
127. This Jesus? |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 03:26 PM Response to Reply #127 |
131. If you read the entire story.. |
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justiceischeap
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:10 PM Response to Reply #87 |
102. Shrimp, crab, lobster, clams, mussels, all these are an abomination before the Lord |
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Tue Jan-25-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #102 |
135. Tell these kooks to go bomb Red Lobster! |
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:37 AM Response to Original message |
23. I gave up on Christianity almost 40 years ago, but this piece is bigoted and inflammatory |
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Tue Jan-25-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #23 |
137. Christians have acted in ways of Terrorism since well before the Crusades |
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Celeborn Skywalker
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Tue Jan-25-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
37. Horrible. |
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Heidi
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:08 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Agree. "Assholes" is a much more accurate term than "Christians." |
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Goblinmonger
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #38 |
53. Yes, because no Christian every does anything bad. |
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Heidi
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #53 |
66. I'm an atheist. |
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DearAbby
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:10 PM Response to Original message |
39. I Didn't write the article |
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
54. Right, which is exactly what happened here, begining with the very first response. |
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DearAbby
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
69. Ding Ding Ding |
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Tue Jan-25-11 12:14 PM Response to Original message |
41. ...this is horrible. |
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truth2power
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
60. What in the world is going on, on this thread and on DU generally these days?... |
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justiceischeap
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:11 PM Response to Original message |
62. For the Christians in this thread taking offense |
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. It might be a good idea to put "christian" in quotes. |
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justiceischeap
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #64 |
67. In my experience I've not seen a hell of a lot of difference between |
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Warren DeMontague
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
99. Or, it might be a good idea to worry about the actual victim here, i.e. the gay man |
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:46 PM Response to Reply #99 |
120. +1 brazillion n/t |
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Bluebear
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Tue Jan-25-11 03:33 PM Response to Reply #64 |
133. As soon as people say "muslims" were reponsible for terror, deal? :) |
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walldude
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #62 |
80. I'd rec this if I could... |
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superduperfarleft
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
83. I find it sad that half this thread is people whining about terminology |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #62 |
84. And the vast majority |
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justiceischeap
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:03 PM Response to Reply #84 |
91. The problem is, there are so many people of faith who denounce these kinds of acts |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #91 |
112. My congregation |
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justiceischeap
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:40 PM Response to Reply #112 |
115. Is a man's house not his church? ;) |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:50 PM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Oh, yes... |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:43 AM Response to Reply #91 |
169. Heart of the matter. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:18 PM Response to Reply #84 |
108. Really? The vast majority? |
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kurtzapril4
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:44 PM Response to Reply #84 |
119. But the book is rife with, |
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polmaven
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Tue Jan-25-11 03:11 PM Response to Reply #119 |
128. and perhaps |
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superduperfarleft
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #62 |
85. Oh, and QFE: |
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Lucian
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Tue Jan-25-11 03:17 PM Response to Reply #62 |
130. Don't try to have a rational discussion with someone who believes in the irrational. |
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Capitalocracy
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
63. Isolated incident. |
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walldude
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #63 |
81. OUCH! |
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Arugula Latte
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Tue Jan-25-11 01:48 PM Response to Original message |
82. More rightwing terrorism. |
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Warren DeMontague
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
97. STOP ABUSING CHRISTIANS!!! STOP!!! STOP ABUSING CHRISTIANS!!!! STOP!!!!! |
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walldude
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Tue Jan-25-11 03:35 PM Response to Reply #97 |
134. LMAO.... |
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Tue Jan-25-11 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
109. as a christian -- the headline is fine -- and also as a christian i have to accept |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:49 AM Response to Reply #109 |
171. Well, if some atheists ever burned something down over anti-religious sentiment... |
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Lucian
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Tue Jan-25-11 03:14 PM Response to Original message |
129. "Who Would Jesus Bomb" |
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
152. Rec for pissing off Christians. n/t |
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sarcasmo
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
158. Homegrown religious terrorist are more scary. |
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ChipperbackDemocrat
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Tue Jan-25-11 05:47 PM Response to Reply #158 |
160. Eye On The Ball. |
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Tue Jan-25-11 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
165. I think "Heterosexual Supremacists" would have been a better description than "Christians" |
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upi402
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:47 AM Response to Original message |
170. if true, they are sub-animal |
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Mariana
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Wed Jan-26-11 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
172. Just terrifying. nt. |
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