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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:31 AM Original message |
Is the main point of being a progressive to tax the haves to provide for individual have nots? |
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xchrom
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
1. ... |
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CreekDog
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:18 PM Response to Reply #1 |
147. . |
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svsuman23
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
2. if you want to word it that way. |
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SharonAnn
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #2 |
39. I think it really recognizes and covers their cost to society. Wealthy |
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LiberalEsto
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:35 AM Response to Original message |
3. The point is to help level the playing field |
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mmonk
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:39 AM Response to Original message |
4. Progressive taxation pays the bills for a society to provide adequate |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:44 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Progressive taxation can be about providing for those general items that benefit us all |
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mmonk
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:48 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. Your second sentence is the general meme of the right when |
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Lasher
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #5 |
14. And what of regressive taxes? |
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msongs
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:14 AM Response to Reply #5 |
26. tax breaks written BY the wealthy for the wealthy benefit....the wealthy the most. whatta shock eh? |
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boston bean
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Also, do the wealthy pay 30-40% on all their income? |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #31 |
40. This is exactly what Obama wants to do...get rid of loopholes and streamline things. |
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boston bean
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Really, I thought he was into giving corporations some more tax breaks..... |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Get rid of special loopholes which only corps with fancy lawyers and CPAs can use |
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boston bean
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:47 AM Response to Reply #44 |
55. It's not happening and it really is not in relation to your OP. |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #55 |
70. I'm just trying to draw the distinction. What makes a person a progressive vs a centrist. |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:34 AM Response to Reply #26 |
42. Well I guess we get to see if our reps are bought or not because most people love the idea |
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mmonk
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Wed Jan-26-11 03:06 PM Response to Reply #42 |
87. Especially those that want to flatten it. |
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KT2000
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:24 PM Response to Reply #5 |
103. here is something you are |
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CrispyQ
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
6. It's cheaper & more efficient for everyone to pitch in to provide a social safety net for all, |
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
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boston bean
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
7. Am I on DU? |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:54 AM Response to Reply #7 |
12. I'm just wondering what capsulizes progressive thought |
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WinkyDink
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #12 |
18. How can any Democrat not know this answer? |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #18 |
53. I'm a Democrat who believes in progressive taxation and an emergency safety net. |
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TBF
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #53 |
69. You may wonder where you are politically, but I have no doubt whatsoever. nt |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:16 AM Response to Reply #69 |
76. I'm wondering where you guys are. |
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TBF
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. Personally I'm leftist, so I am going to be an extremist on this site - |
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Bluebear
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Thu Jan-27-11 02:09 AM Response to Reply #69 |
132. + |
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immoderate
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Wed Jan-26-11 05:19 PM Response to Reply #53 |
97. What do you do when the work runs out? |
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white_wolf
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
122. I can answer this |
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boston bean
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:01 AM Response to Reply #12 |
20. so cynical, isn't it and isn't Obama. Yes let's win elections |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #20 |
36. That actually seems to be the divide to me between progressives and centrists. |
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boston bean
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #36 |
45. Are you talking about people on unemployment insurance and the "welfare queens". |
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JHB
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Thu Jan-27-11 05:54 AM Response to Reply #36 |
138. I don't think that's a fair assessment. Closer to a caricature, in fact. |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Thu Jan-27-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #36 |
145. No, I don't think it is. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #12 |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Actually I realized from the 2010 piece that Obama has tried to do something about this through HCR. |
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Lasher
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #27 |
46. I disagree with much of what you come up with. |
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girl gone mad
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
111. Pathetic, isn't it? |
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pampango
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
9. Progressive taxation to fund an effective social safety net? Absolutely. Not sure what you mean by |
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WinkyDink
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:59 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. It's a wise-guy post, not a serious inquiry. |
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woo me with science
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:52 AM Response to Original message |
10. No. It's to build a coalition to ensure that government does not allow |
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Little Star
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:55 AM Response to Reply #10 |
13. What you said! n/t |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #10 |
49. But what is impoverishing us? |
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DireStrike
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. The globalization is a policy of the wealthy individuals. |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #52 |
63. And the people don't enjoy cheap prices? |
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DireStrike
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Wed Jan-26-11 04:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
94. That's only half of the puzzle |
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DireStrike
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #10 |
50. Ah, you said that much better than I did. |
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JVS
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
112. But that would be unamerican! |
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oldhippie
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
11. It's a little early in the thread yet, but .... |
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WinkyDink
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:58 AM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Well, "oldhippie", you must've forgotten your "old hippie" roots. |
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devilgrrl
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
120. Sounds like something a bunch of oldhippies would say... in 'Atlas Shrugged' |
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WinkyDink
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
15. Are you equating "able bodied" with "employed"? Have you noticed the employment picture? And |
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66 dmhlt
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
16. We can put you down as "Against a Level Playing Field" |
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dkf
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:09 AM Response to Reply #16 |
23. No. A level playing field is a government respossibility. |
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joshcryer
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #23 |
71. A kid from a rich neighborhood has two baseballs. You're the kids dad. |
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blindpig
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #23 |
73. Nope, the traditional way is to just take all their shit. |
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StarsInHerHair
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
133. and just how does a non-working trust fund rich person GET their money? |
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JHB
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Thu Jan-27-11 06:07 AM Response to Reply #23 |
139. When the haves use their "have" to squeeze more from the have-nots, yes... |
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The_Commonist
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
21. No. |
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StarsInHerHair
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
134. you said it best the commonist |
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QC
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:11 AM Response to Original message |
24. Yes, that's exactly it. You have figured us out. |
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bobbolink
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. Exactly. The Raygun democrats weren't enough... now we have the RUSH dems, and proud of it. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:26 AM Response to Reply #32 |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
113. Best post on this thread. |
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blindpig
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:17 AM Response to Original message |
28. Sure you can be a 'progressive'... |
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Recursion
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Hell, Hoover was a "progressive" |
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QC
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #28 |
64. "Progressive" has been redefined in these parts as |
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socialist_n_TN
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:06 PM Response to Reply #28 |
106. Pithy......... |
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bobbolink
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
29. This is the conservative dems answer to "have-nots" |
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StarsInHerHair
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:48 AM Response to Reply #29 |
135. sadly true, look at AZ, those 'death panels' were simply another Rightie |
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suffragette
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
30. Society is comprised of many individuals |
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Iggo
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
33. PUSH!!! |
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
34. That question has been a fault line on the left for some time |
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kentuck
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:31 AM Response to Original message |
38. The main point? |
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jtown1123
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
43. What on earth are some of these people doing which warrants billion dollar paychecks? |
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DireStrike
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:46 AM Response to Reply #43 |
54. Well as somebody said, they are working 90 hour weeks |
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jtown1123
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #54 |
60. It just blows my mind the way people think sometimes... |
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haele
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Wed Jan-26-11 05:59 PM Response to Reply #54 |
100. Define "working 90 hours a week" - |
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PassingFair
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
47. Is the main point of of your post to show what a wanker you are? |
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DireStrike
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
48. Personally I think taxing the haves serves its own purpose |
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socialist_n_TN
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
108. And there's another purpose to it too............ |
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bobbolink
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:31 PM Response to Reply #108 |
114. This time it *may* be different... drugs are more prevalent, and the weaponry of the |
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socialist_n_TN
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:08 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. Maybe......... |
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bobbolink
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:24 PM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Why do you insist on putting the onus on the most vulnerable, the most desparate, those without the |
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socialist_n_TN
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #116 |
123. Bobbie, I'm not putting the onus on anybody, ......... |
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bobbolink
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:14 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Socialists claim to be all about "the people" (of course, its only the workers, but nebbamind) |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:02 PM Response to Reply #124 |
125. OK. But what makes you think I won't also be "killed........... |
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DireStrike
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #124 |
141. It's not that people claim nothing should be done until this point is reached |
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tblue37
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:52 PM Response to Reply #115 |
128. See: Tunisia; Egypt. nt |
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TBF
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:44 AM Response to Original message |
51. Is the main point of your posts to desiminate the information you watch on FAUX news daily? nt |
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joshcryer
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:48 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Nah, DU has a bunch of die-hard capitalists who are socially liberal, but fisically "who knows." |
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OneGrassRoot
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. They're not socially liberal either. n/t |
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joshcryer
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:51 AM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Eh, you get banned if you're not socially liberal. |
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TBF
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Oh I don't think "who knows" covers it - you were more on point when |
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joshcryer
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. Well, it's all over the place, imo. |
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joshcryer
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
56. A woman was recently jailed because she sent her children to another school district. |
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hunter
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:48 AM Response to Original message |
57. The wealthy get the most benifit from our society. |
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joshcryer
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:55 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. The wealthy also create loopholes to keep poor people poor. |
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JHB
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Thu Jan-27-11 06:13 AM Response to Reply #57 |
140. Wealth and power get sucked upward as sure as sh*t flows downhill... |
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
61. NO! You cannot be a progressive and think in those terms. |
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Starry Messenger
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Wed Jan-26-11 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
68. Well, you've certainly missed the main point of belonging to humanity. |
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blindpig
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Wed Jan-26-11 03:47 PM Response to Reply #68 |
91. Capitalists? |
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Starry Messenger
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Wed Jan-26-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Pithy and accurate as always blindpig. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:03 AM Response to Original message |
72. Is the main point of being a conservative to look out for "#1" and to hell with everyone else? |
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chillspike
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
74. What if someone is able-bodied but just unlucky? |
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deutsey
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
75. Being a progressive is first and foremost a vision of what makes a society good |
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Bandit
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:30 AM Response to Original message |
77. I am a Progressive/Liberal and I believe the ENTIRE purpose of Government |
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hakko936
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:22 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. I don't post often, but read a lot..... |
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Bandit
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:52 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. OK |
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hakko936
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Wed Jan-26-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. OK... |
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immoderate
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Wed Jan-26-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #90 |
96. Let's say your business employs 100 people... |
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HughBeaumont
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:30 PM Response to Reply #90 |
117. There's a whole shit-ton of stuff you're overlooking . . . |
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:54 AM Response to Reply #90 |
136. the rich tend to live in hilly areas that catch fire alot too, THAT costs alot |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:58 PM Response to Reply #83 |
129. They also have virtually the exclusive services of our government, which passes |
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Johonny
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Thu Jan-27-11 11:38 AM Response to Reply #80 |
146. I find this odd |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:55 AM Response to Original message |
78. I don't see that the second question has any relation to the first |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
79. The able bodied who don't work presumably don't work because they can't find a job |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #79 |
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Wed Jan-26-11 12:35 PM Response to Original message |
82. The idea is for the haves to pay their fair share of all the costs. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
84. Is the MAIN POINT of being a SERF to provide LABOR VALUE to the HAVES? |
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Wed Jan-26-11 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
86. I think the very way you've chosen to frame this question |
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Hannah Bell
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Wed Jan-26-11 03:08 PM Response to Original message |
88. "Taxing the haves to pay for individual have nots" = "providing for able bodied |
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Gormy Cuss
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Wed Jan-26-11 03:23 PM Response to Original message |
89. Which "able bodied individuals" are you prattling on about? |
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TheKentuckian
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Wed Jan-26-11 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
92. No, it is to promote broad prosperity and self determination for all. To me. |
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mkultra
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Wed Jan-26-11 04:18 PM Response to Original message |
95. they wealthy deserve to pay a greater percentage |
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Wed Jan-26-11 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
98. The haves would have nothing if the have-nots cannot spend |
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Wed Jan-26-11 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
99. I would frame the problem in a very different way |
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BzaDem
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:11 PM Response to Original message |
101. If you believe that pure market allocation of resources (with the exception of general spending on |
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wishlist
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:17 PM Response to Original message |
102. No but it's an easy excuse for right wingers to justify lower taxes on wealthy |
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Capitalocracy
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:31 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Can you ask your multi-millionaire relatives to give me a job? |
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Capitalocracy
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Wed Jan-26-11 06:29 PM Response to Original message |
104. It's pretty hard to achieve 100% employment. |
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TheKentuckian
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #104 |
118. It is especially difficult when it is in capital's best interest to avoid it. |
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Capitalocracy
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Thu Jan-27-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #118 |
131. Capital being in charge, of course... |
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:10 PM Response to Original message |
107. Yes, hence why those that are making more then modest income |
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
109. Yes. And no. All capitalist systems have unemployment, it is the systems job to provide for them. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
110. You never fail to disappoint, I will give you that. nt |
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:36 PM Response to Original message |
119. Is this Paul Ryan's sequel to his "Hammock" speech? |
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Wed Jan-26-11 09:40 PM Response to Original message |
121. I don't think taxation is the issue. |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
126. Sheesh. Are you for real? n/t |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
127. No--the main reason to be a progressive is to level the playing field a |
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Wed Jan-26-11 11:59 PM Response to Original message |
130. Troll. nt |
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Thu Jan-27-11 05:36 AM Response to Original message |
137. No, that's not the main point |
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Thu Jan-27-11 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
142. The main point of progressivism as it relates to taxation is that all should pay their fair share. |
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Thu Jan-27-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
143. It's more than that. The reason for creating "haves" is to care for the rest. |
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Thu Jan-27-11 11:11 AM Response to Original message |
144. A label is just a label that only some take personally. Hmmmf. |
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Thu Jan-27-11 04:39 PM Response to Original message |
148. Actually, you are right wing if you don't believe in some form of income redistribution |
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Sat Jan-29-11 01:38 PM Response to Original message |
149. Hmmm... |
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