Why is TIME putting President Obama and Ronnie Raygun together on the cover?!?!

[Xenotime]

What the fuck is happening?!?

[fadedrose]

1. They both have a great smile?? eom

[xchrom]

2. they're 'transformational'. nt

[somone]

3. Stating the obvious

[n2doc]

4. +10000 n/t

[OhioChick]

16. Bingo n/t

[SugarShack]

20. It is the propaganda ensured to make him a one term louie, as they show you they're the same!

:puke:

[walldude]

36. LOL..

yeah that's it. It has nothing to do with the fact that Obama keeps praising Reagan :eyes:

[Safetykitten]

47. Oh yes, propaganda will do it. That's what will make him a one term.

[27inCali]

32. Because Obama is the Liberal Reagan

TIME is saying Obama has started a new Progressive era in American politics just like Reagan started a Conservative one.

[Bluebear]

62. No. Obama hearts Reagan because he changed the "excesses of the 60's & 70's" in govt.

'I don't want to present myself as some sort of singular figure. I think part of what's different are the times. I do think that for example the 1980 was different. I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it. I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating. I think people, he just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was we want clarity we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing.'

[Beacool]

88. That a Democratic president feels this way is very disheartening.

"I think they felt like with all the excesses of the 1960s and 1970s and government had grown and grown but there wasn't much sense of accountability in terms of how it was operating."

Yeah, the excesses of the 60s that allowed him as an AA man to run for president decades later. Without the fight for civil rights, he and Hillary would not have been able to run for the presidency in 2008. Did he forget that history lesson?

x(

[Poboy]

104. This is delusional thinking. Obama didn't 'start' shit. In fact, he simply continued

under new management. What will Obama's legacy be? The dissolution of the public school system? The dismantling of SS? Give me a break.

[Smashcut]

80. Indeed

[Uncle Joe]

5. Because it helps the Republicans.

Thanks for the thread, Xenotime.

[justiceischeap]

6. 'Cause some would say Obama is our generations Reagan.

In as far as popularity amongst the party. 'Cause believe or not, there are people outside of DU who actually likes the President and what he's doing for our country. :)

[hfojvt]

10. just like the people who liked Reagan

and what Reagan did for our country?

[GeorgeGist]

93. Like this ...

[Beacool]

7. Because he admires him so?

Remember during the primaries when Obama praised Reagan by saying that his presidency had been transformational and Clinton's had not? Then he continued by trashing the Baby Boomers and the 60s. Well, if it hadn't been for the people who fought for civil rights in the 60s he wouldn't be president today.

"Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not. He put us on a fundamentally different path because the country was ready for it," Obama said then. "He just tapped into what people were already feeling, which was, we want clarity, we want optimism, we want a return to that sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship that had been missing." Obama, 2008

:shrug:

[sabrina 1]

35. Reagan certainly did put us on a different path. Now, how do we get

off it? Isn't that why we supported a Democrat?

[Beacool]

40. Well, I was not a supporter of this particular Democrat.

For more than 3 years I've been saying that he's a B.S. artist. His main interest was fast tracking up the political ladder. I've seen enough like him in the business world to last me a life time.

;(

[Alexander]

60. .

[66 dmhlt]

114. Is that George Carville?

[Alexander]

119. James Carville, yes.

And he's wearing a certain brand of shoes.

[Autumn]

56. That's true, Now I wonder what

we can do to get clarity, optimism, and a sense of dynamism and entrepreneurship? Because we sure didn't get it from Reagan and we sure as heck aren't going to get it from Obama.

The idea that a "Democrat" can't find someone better than Reagan to admire is abhorrent to me.

[Beacool]

75. Yeah, well, the only time I agreed with William Safire

was when he said that we are a nation of nitwits. Imagine the outrage within his party if a Republican president thought that Clinton was his role model. Obama could have picked Lincoln, FDR or one of the other truly great ones, but nope, he picked Mr. "trickle down" economics, Reagan. Absolutely pathetic if you ask me.

But around here you won't hear a peep from the usual crowd. Obama is just way too cool as far as they are concerned.

x(

[madinmaryland]

8. Pardon me, while I go throw up...

:puke:

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[MannyGoldstein]

12. They both have the same world view?

It's mourning in America.

A Democratic President espouses fundamentally the same views as an arch-Republican who set us on a 30-year road to ruin. The trickle-down express just got an engine rebuild, and off we go. I think we have a major problem.

[William769]

13. Jackson Jr. likens Obama to Reagan

A co-chairman of Barack Obama's 2008 campaign compared the president's economic agenda to that of Republican President Ronald Reagan on Friday.

"If we cut taxes for the wealthy, while maintaining massive military spending in support of two wars, then the new Republican Congress will be empowered to cut social programs in order to reduce the deficit," Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., a longtime friend and sometimes critic of the president, said in a statement. "So it will be a choice between cutting programs for the poor, children, the unemployed, the uninsured and veterans or allowing deficits to pile up. That was President Reagan's strategy: A 'starve the beast' plan of lowered taxes and increased military spending that would force Congress to make deep cuts in program for the most vulnerable."

Liberal House Democrats have expressed outrage with the deal Obama cut with congressional Republicans to extend individual income and other expiring tax rates as well as unemployment insurance benefits.

On Thursday, the Democratic Caucus voted to disapprove of the plan as constructed — a non-binding move intended to send a forceful message about progressives' desire to see it amended.

http://www.seattlepi.com/politico/431556_politico46238.html?source=rss

[pscot]

14. Because he's the last of the Reagan Democrats?

The secret is out.

[MannyGoldstein]

17. Nah, he's got a White House stocked with 'em

Fabulous, really.

[Jokerman]

15. Why Not? They both bow down to their corporate masters. n/t

[2Design]

18. he read his book on vacation to become a better republican

[Cleita]

19. Both made and make great speeches, that make everyone

feel hopeful, but don't really deliver on brass tacks. I thought that the first time I heard Obama speak at the Democratic Convention years ago, I said to myself this is another Reagan but he's on our side.

[Safetykitten]

21. Ah...and people wonder what could possibly be wrong.

This pretty much seals the deal.

[vi5]

22. Really? You're kidding, right?

You need to ask this question?

Did you listen to the speech the other night talking about deregulation and lowering corporate taxes and implementing medical malpractice reform and probably about a dozen other things?

[WinkyDink]

23. REAGAN is his ROLE MODEL. LINK to the magazine article:

"Reagan recognized the American people's hunger for accountability and change," Obama wrote, conferring on Reagan two of his most cherished political slogans.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,2044579,00.html#ixzz1CGBKj7dG
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Will somebody PLEASE inform Obama about the ESCAPE from "accountability" when the Reagan Iran-Contra criminals were PARDONED?

And just what was NOT held "accountable" during President Carter's term?

And THEN inform Obama about the Iranian Hostage Crisis, Ollie North, and the "coincidence" of Inaugural Day.

Bah.

[Safetykitten]

29. I just threw up in my brain.

[Beacool]

34. I remember it well and it still makes me angry:

Among Obama loyalists, the Reagan theory was received wisdom, and for political reasons it was closely held. In January 2008, Obama broke cover. "I think Ronald Reagan changed the trajectory of America in a way that, you know, Richard Nixon did not and in a way that Bill Clinton did not," Obama told a newspaper editorial board in Nevada. "He tapped into what people were already feeling, which is, We want clarity, we want optimism." Obama's comments inflamed the Democratic left (not to mention the Clinton operation), but his aides thought little of it at the time. "I basically told headquarters, 'Sorry I didn't call this in,'" remembers Gibbs, who was traveling with Obama at the time. "I had just heard him say this so many times."

:puke:

[Safetykitten]

39. How this does not induce a mass vomiting episode is amazing...

"Obama invited Nancy Reagan to the White House 19 months ago, when he signed legislation creating a commission to plan for her husband's centennial. The meeting was cordial and generous on both sides. Nancy and Michelle Obama had lunch. Nancy, who in her ninth decade retains a healthy sense of humor, didn't miss a chance to point out one difference between Obama and her late husband. "You're a lefty," she said as Obama inked the Reagan commission into law.

"I am a lefty," Obama replied. A lefty who wants to be remembered just like Ronnie."

[Beacool]

42. Wow, just wow!!!

"I am a lefty," Obama replied. A lefty who wants to be remembered just like Ronnie."

:(

[jobycom]

41. If you overlook the fact that Reagan's administration had more arrests, convictions, and investigati

ons into misconduct and fraud than any other president, then I guess you could pretend he valued accountability. HUD, Iran/Contra, lobbyists, the EPA, the Savings and Loan industry...

[BuelahWitch]

102. You *know* Reagan was too busy holding those "welfare queens

who drive Cadillacs" accountable! He'd think he had them all under his thumb and then up would pop another one. He didn't have any time to pay attention to the crooks in his cabinet...

[liberal N proud]

24. They are both lived in Illinois

They are both good orators
They are both tall
They both have lived in the White House

[emulatorloo]

27. Yeah that is pretty much it. Conventional wisdom is Reagan brought optimism back to the country.

Ryan speech was gloom and doom.

Obama's speech was optimistic.

(P.S. I don't agree with the conventional wisdom about Reagan, just describing it)

[Bragi]

25. Because the White House asked them to? /nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

26. Because they both forgot their Democratic roots?

[emulatorloo]

28. Because Adobe has a product called PhotoShop.

[Fumesucker]

37. Photo retouching is older than computers..

The Soviets famously used to edit out the images of leaders who had been "unpersoned" from group pictures of the May Day review.

[emulatorloo]

44. I know, I was joking.

[jobycom]

30. Obama has been trying to cultivate that comparison since before the primaries.

So it's not surprising. Most candidates model their presidency and campaigns after one or two previous presidents. Reagan modeled his after Coolidge. Baby Bush modeled his after McKinnely (which should have tipped off everyone to his imperial inclinations). Clinton liked JFK, Daddy Bush liked Truman (and didn't like Reagan). Obama likes Reagan, at least as a political model.

This isn't Obama-bashing, it's just what he's been doing. When he first announced he was running, he said several times that he was modeling his campaign after Reagan's. During the campaign he brought up Reagan several times, often as a way to sound bipartisan and to get moderate Republicans on his side. Recently he wrote an editorial about how Reagan inspired us. So Time finally got the message.

There are several ways to judge Obama's use of Reagan. Maybe Obama is really a radical conservative who worships the Reagan myth. Maybe he just likes the way Reagan spoke and captured the media's devotion, so he brings it up. Or maybe Obama is trying to win over Republicans and independents in a nation that has been voting mostly conservative in recent elections. When Reagan won in 1980, the nation was still basically liberal--they disliked war, they believed in some social spending, etc. They were inclined in general to lean Democrat, but national conditions had made them want a change. Reagan jumped into that opening and won over a lot of borderline Democrats, and won the election, and slowly turned the nation more conservative. Perhaps Obama sees parallels to that time, in reverse. People are conservative now, but are discouraged by the Republican record, and are willing to consider change. Thus, Obama slips in and tries to pry some of those people away from the Republicans, using Reagan as a crowbar. I mean, Reagan was as dumb as a crowbar, and just as subtle, and he liked to divide people violently...

If that is Obama's intention, he's missed a few of Reagan's feats. For instance, though Reagan went after the moderate vote, he didn't do so by sounding moderate, he did so by trying to pull moderates to the right. Obama tends to do more moving than calling for others to move. Also, Reagan was very partisan, attacking liberals in every speech. Obama doesn't want the other side to dislike him.

For whatever reason, though, Obama is the one who keeps making the comparison.

[EFerrari]

45. Yep. This is the image Obama has been invoking since before the election. n/t

[woo me with science]

This is the correct answer. nt

[inna]

31. surreal.

[Orsino]

33. I hope it causes him more than a moment's uneasiness.

I'd like him to think it over. And over.

[sabrina 1]

38. Because the DLC leadership views Reagan as a hero

and they want the Republican vote in 2012 since they know they have lost Independents and the youth vote that put Obama in the WH?

They did say they were going to spend a lot of money going after a different demographic in 2012.

I think it's working. So many Republicans are now happy with Obama, like Cheney and Ben Stein eg.

[William769]

48. So what does that say about President Obama?

[sabrina 1]

50. It says what many have been saying.

Including prominent Republicans. But it was obvious how much this WH despised what they view as the 'left' from the beginning. They had the same anti-progressive attitude that I have seen mostly coming from Reaganites.

I know Republicans who think he is okay 'for a Democrat'. If he did as someone suggested recently, changed parties, he'd probably win again as a Republican. He's looking more and more like corporate tool and less and less like the man of the people he tried to portray himself as in the campaign.

[Angry Dragon]

43. Slip, sliding away

[somone]

46. Don't forget: This is a campaign ad aimed at GOP voters

Obama worships the senile fucker, and he wants the message to get out loud and clear.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

49. Because they both have the ability to look good while screwing things up.

[WinkyDink]

51. At least Reagan had Alzheimer's as an excuse.

[BlueIris]

52. All surface, no substance. nt

[NYC Liberal]

53. I love how some here rail against the corporate media...

yet lap up whatever they put out there.

[Erose999]

54. Because NEOLIB = NEOCON thats why. nt

[kenny blankenship]

55. Because you got snookered?

How much gushing worship of Reagan does the guy have to display in public before we all grasp that Obama is actually a Republican?

[JoePhilly]

57. To make the far left scream ... and it appears to be working.

The right wing's hate of Obama is already locked in. Its not going away, and there is no reason to nurture it, or worry about it slipping. It will sit at about "35% hate" from now, till Obama leaves office.

This image is intended to make the far left scream. And it is working.

[jonnyblitz]

61. eh, nobody is screaming. that is just the voices in your

head getting REAL LOUD! :hi:

[JoePhilly]

74. Most of the posts in this thread refudiate your position.

[Forkboy]

78. I don't see any screaming.

Words on a page are silent...EVEN WHEN WRITTEN IN ALL CAPS.

[JoePhilly]

83. Spare me.

[Forkboy]

84. I did.

I had more to say, but felt too many sentences might throw you off track.

[JoePhilly]

87. Bwahahahaa ....

That is the best you could come up with???

This thread is PACKED with whining posts about how awful Obama is based on nothing but a Time cover. Feel free to pretend this is not so.

And my sense is that if you actually "had more to say", and the ability to make a coherent argument, you would have done so.

But ... unable to do that, you attacked me.

Well done.

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

90. You were making a serious argument?

Like I said, no one here is screaming (your word). Deal with it.

[JoePhilly]

92. Nothing to "deal with" ...

[Number23]

108. Everything created to get the far left screaming works. Makes you wonder if they ever stop

[frylock]

58. because they're bff?

[Bluebear]

59. Because Obama HEARTS Reagan, just as the cover says!

[jonnyblitz]

63. stop SCREAMING, you far leftie!!1

:silly:

[Bluebear]

68. I can't help it, I'm a fringe element!

:crazy:

[QC]

115. You never really loved Him!

:cry:

[JuniperLea]

64. Obama cherry picks from Reagan's legacy...

I do too. I do it all the time. I pick from GHWB's legacy as well.

I'm surprised this is going over so many heads... truly surprised.

Obama is using GOTP words against them. This is obvious. Much like the SOTU address... and the proof is the ridiculous spinning the GOTP is doing right now.

[LeftishBrit]

65. Wot, you mean they're not putting Reagan and Jesus together?

[TheKentuckian]

66. Same Presidency, new face, different party, similar ownership

[emulatorloo]

67. it is actually a pretty good article. Makes clear that Obama loathes the Reagan ideology

Although I know that is not what DU wants to hear.

[sufrommich]

69. I could have guessed that without reading the article,the reasons

for bashing a democratic president have become pretty thin on DU lately.

[emulatorloo]

71. Latching on to a photoshop seems particularly thin

but what do I know.

Any way the article is up on the website if you are interested.

[sufrommich]

72. I'm off to read it right now. Thanks. nt

[frylock]

85. it's only a two-minute photoshop

:eyes:

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[sufrommich]

79. Just read it. Good article. nt

[cbdo2007]

70. They're buttering him up for his big 2012 win. He's a shoe-in at this point.

They want to be on the right side of history and are trying to convince the idiots out there that Obama is a lot like Reagan.

[last_texas_dem]

76. Well, Obama *does* keep bringing up Raygun...

[KurtNYC]

77. Because 'Time' is irrelevant

and should have stopped publishing in 1992.

>>During the second half of 2009 the magazine saw a 34.9% decline in news stand sales.<9> During the first half of 2010 there was another decline of at least one third in Time magazine sales.<<

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[lpbk2713]

86. They never let an excuse to put RayGun on their cover go by.

Saint Runny of RayGun will live on forever as long as Time has anything to say about it.

[whatchamacallit]

89. Self Delete

:hi:

[slackmaster]

91. Who cares?

Nobody reads Time any more.

[GeorgeGist]

94. Alzheimers?

[whatchamacallit]

97. Ah, so Obama's on there because he forgot he's a democrat. I get it now. (nt)

[hughee99]

95. Because they can't miss the opportunity to piss off both Dems and Repukes. n/t

[mmonk]

96. What a great campaign ad for any progressive primary challenger.

[emulatorloo]

98. The article doesn't say what you think it says.

[mmonk]

99. I was speaking of the cover with the Obama hearts Reagan description

and the photo work.

[emulatorloo]

100. Ok. That's to sell magazines I guess. ( I only actually see magazines at the doctor's office these

days.

[bigwillq]

101. Birds of a feather?

:rofl:

[lonestarnot]

103. Has Mr. President been hunting Easter eggs?

[Raine]

105. Two of a kind? nt

:shrug:

[Octafish]

106. Philadelphia, Missississippi, is where Reagan declared his candidacy for pretzeldunce.

Pruneface was a NAZI.



He should be on the back of the dime, all right.

[Posteritatis]

107. Maybe they enjoy watching people emote and kneejerk and freak out without any context. (nt)

[Karmadillo]

109. It's corporate puppet week?

nt

[Fire1]

110. Because his SOTU was supposedly "Reaganesque." n/t

[TNLib]

111. Obama is kind of Regan like and he has always praised him

I actually think Obama has more in common with Reagan than JFK. Unfortunately.

[Liquorice]

112. This isn't a surprise. Obama has always admired Reagan. nt

[Nye Bevan]

113. Obama would *love* to win 49 states in his re-election, like Reagan did. (nt)

[WillyT]

116. Two Peas In A Pod ???

:shrug:

[Vidar]

117. Why not. . .their politics are virtually the same.

[Blue-Jay]

118. If I had a pocketful of "shits", I wouldn't give a single one about this.

[saras]

120. They're there because of the similarity

What they have in common is the wild disconnect between the way people love their rhetoric and the actual results of their actions while in office.