For the good of Chicago, for the good of the Democratic Party...ANY DEM BUT RAHM for mayor!

[Ken Burch]

Chicago doesn't NEED another arrogant, right-wing Daley-style mayor. And that's the ONLY kind of mayor Rahm could be.

The Democratic party doesn't need another pompous, anti-activist, would-be kingmaker running the biggest Democratic city in a blue-to-purple state, demanding as the price of his support for the ticket that the party always be pro-elitist and anti-grassroots.

For the good of progressive politics, for the good of Chicago, for the good of the country...DON'T ELECT RAHM as mayor! Please.

No good can come of having this guy continue to have the kind of capacity for destruction that he had as chief of staff.

Please, Chicago, vote against ugliness and arrogance.

(title edited to clarify that I meant "any Democrat")

[Arkana]

1. ALLAHU RAHMBAR!

[mucifer]

2. I'm voting for De Valle. But, I know he will come in 4th. Oh well.

[nevergiveup]

3. I live in the Chicago suburbs

and obviously can't vote in the city but if I could I would vote for Dr. Patricia Watkins.

[Blue-Jay]

4. Question: How do you figure that Daley is a right-winger?

[Ken Burch]

7. He backed free trade. End of discussion.

If you backed NAFTA, that puts you effectively on the right by itself, since that obligates you to support global austerity and a global competition to drive wages down.

[Blue-Jay]

10. "End of discussion"? OK then.

I am the 110th greatest saxophonist in the world. END OF DISCUSSION!

I saw a dog turd that looked just like Steve Landesberg. END OF DISCUSSION!

My neighbor once masturbated while watching the Cosby Show. END OF DISCUSSION!!!!

wow.

[Ken Burch]

13. Backing NAFTA simply can't be compatible with being progressive on anything else.

It puts you on the side of the corporate elites against the people.

And Daley was always against social activists and the poor. He lives in a gated community(and we all know what kind of views you have to have to do THAT).

The fact that he was mildly pro-gay rights and occasionally marched in parades with blacks and Latinos hardly makes up for all the authoritarian reactionary "support your local police" ugliness.

[Blue-Jay]

14. I thought the discussion was over.

[Ken Burch]

15. I was simply proving my case.

After everything I laid out, you couldn't seriously dispute my point.

If you're right wing on the above, there's nothing you could still be non-right wing on that really matters.

Every issue "Richie" pretended to be liberal on was a trivial side issue. None of them involved risk and none involved standing up for the powerless against the powerful. Marching in a gay pride parade is a risk-free thing in a place like Chicago. It doesn't mean anything there.

[Blue-Jay]

17. Really?

"Marching in a gay pride parade is a risk-free thing in a place like Chicago. It doesn't mean anything there."

You're going to stand by that statement? Way to go.

[Ken Burch]

20. Yeah, I will. Richie didn't risk anything by marching in gay pride parades

In Chicago, the LGBT fight is basically won, like it is in all large Northern cities(and the important local legislation on that was all passed by Harold Washington).

It's only still in play as an issue in places like the Deep South.

There's no risk in backing gay rights in a big Northern city at all. Nobody ever loses a local election north of the Mason-Dixon line for being gay-friendly.

The only issue where it still takes guts to take a progressive stand in Chicago is to stand with workers against globalization.

It'd be different if Richie had been in politics in, say, Macon County.

[JVS]

21. If that's what he did during the Cosby Show, what more is there to say?

[Peregrine Took]

9. Sons are long time DLC/rethug lite. Not like thier old man n/t

[Ken Burch]

11. Then again, their old man was a thug and a segregationist

And he was the man who filled the streets of Chicago with blood in August of 1968, for no good reason at all.

There was never anything worthwhile in the political history of the Daley family.

[Blue-Jay]

12. Shut your mouth. The discussion has been officially ended.

Seriously. It was official.

[Ken Burch]

16. Why are you harping on one phrase?

Are you really going to go on being this childish?

I used that phrased because I'd proved my point.

[Blue-Jay]

18. You proved something, I'll give you that.

[Ken Burch]

22. Which is what, may I ask?

If you're implying I'm NOT pro-LGBT(or that I'm homophobic), that's bullshit.

It's not a big deal to be liberal on any of the tiny handful of things Richie was liberal on. None of them involved any risk. None of them involved helping workers or the poor.

In a big Northern city, it's no riskier to be pro-LGBT than it is to be environmentalist. You CAN'T lose votes on either in a place like Chicago. It only counts to be liberal on issues where it's politically risky.

I get where it is with you...if you're pro-LGBT, by you that makes up for being right-of-center on the economic stuff and on things like poverty and NAFTA. Fine. You've got an elitist conception of politics.

[sharesunited]

5. Amen and alas. The next mayor for life.

[Mimosa]

6. Why would Rahm want to be Mayor of America's 'second city'?

Could he have some good ideas? Could he want to show how to make a difference?

In short, what's in this for Rahm?

[Ken Burch]

8. Rahm's never been about anything but power for power's sake.

And he lead the fight to keep progressives out in the cold in the Obama Administration.

I assume he THINKS he has "good ideas". Who doesn't?

Clearly, nothing progressive or positive can come of an arrogant, anti-grassroots type winning an election anywhere.

What Chicago needs is another Harold Washington(without the high-cholesterol dietary habits, of course).

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[PBS Poll-435]

23. Since you are a resident of the City of Chicago, your words carry much weight

:rofl:

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25. How classy of ya!

Thank you so much.

[Ken Burch]

26. Just going on your stated positions.

Not meant as an insult...just a description.

Your instinctual position ALWAYS seems to be "nominate a centrist instead of a progressive".

[PBS Poll-435]

27. I am ok with the residents of Chicago proper deciding who is their next mayor

That is my position.

[Ken Burch]

28. It could only hurt the national party for Rahm to control how Illinois goes presidentially

n/t.

[PBS Poll-435]

29. But, again, it is the decision of the people that vote there

And, obviously, :eyes: if the President is even tied in the polls at the national level, then he will overwhelmingly win Illinois' electoral votes.