Good for Tracy Morgan. Sure his comment was insensitive but Barkley put him on the spot!

[LynneSin]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/01/27/tracy-morgan-sarah-palin-_n_815222.html

Tracy Morgan: Sarah Palin Is 'Good Masturbation Material'

Tracy Morgan is in hot water again for a controversial joke, this time due to some salacious remarks about former Alaskan governor Sarah Palin.

During "Inside The NBA" on TNT before the Heat-Knicks game, Kenny Smith announced that Morgan was the only person who could settle an argument he and Charles Barkley have "all the time." Tina Fey or Sarah Palin?

After a few laughs and the observation that Morgan "can't get fired," Charles Barkley encouraged Morgan, saying, "Sarah Palin's good looking isn't she?"

Morgan quickly put the discussion to bed with the following comment:

"Now let me tell you something about Sarah Palin man, she's good masturbation material. The glasses and all that? Great masturbation material."

:wtf:

First these folks should have known that Morgan has always been a wildcard with comments. Then seriously why ask a question "Sarah Palin's good looking isn't she?" because no matter what the answer is you're gonna piss off someone. You say "NO" the Tea Party is gonna come out and thrash you. You could say "YES" but perhaps Morgan doesn't like the woman so why encourage it. TNT put him on the spot and Morgan did typical Morgan. TNT deserved it.

And edit note:

If you want to scream 'sexism' you need to point it at the right people. Why are people even asking that question during an NBA show. The show name was "Inside the NBA" not "Who is hotter than whom".

[Le Taz Hot]

1. I'm surprised this is coming from you.

i disagree and I see it as sexism which doesn't change just because the subject is a Republican.

[LynneSin]

2. It was but on the part of TNT. Morgan was just being Morgan after being put on the spot

Why the hell are they asking questions like that during a show geared for NBA.

[seabeyond]

8. any man being sexist gets the out of just being...... but they dont get the out being racist. nt

[whathehell]

17. +1000..n/t

[Le Taz Hot]

12. Well, okaaaay,

but only because you have a long history on DU for advocating women's rights. :hi:
Tracy Morgan COULD have used his wit to put down the set-up from Barklay.

[LynneSin]

15. He could but I'm guessing he gets that annoying question alot

Since he has been working with Tina Fey since like forever.

[Warren DeMontague]

165. *

[demmiblue]

3. Sexism should never be acceptable. Palin or not. n/t

[LynneSin]

5. Why blame Morgan? Why not the TNT folks that thought up that dumb bit

"Sarah Palin's good looking isn't she?"

That's not sexism? Barkley was specifically edging Morgan to say something crass because they probably know he's not a supporter.

[whathehell]

23. Why not blame TNT and Morgan?

[seabeyond]

24. yup. and throw in palin since she played this. nt

[LynneSin]

66. Problem is the Media and TNT are blaming this all on Morgan

And giving their jackass hosts of that NBA show a free pass.

Do you think Morgan would have said that if they didn't ask the stupid sexist question in the first place?

[seabeyond]

68. ok lynn. i get this point. lol. all these posts and i hear what you are saying now.

really saying. you are right. right on.

[LynneSin]

71. sorry - I get on my soapbox

my bad

[seabeyond]

73. no sorry.

perfect. this is what i really appreciate in these discussions. thanks

[whathehell]

16. Thank you, demmiblue,..You are correct. n/t

[emilyg]

130. Correct.

[Ian David]

4. Well, so is Tina Fey and also too, you betcha.

[taterguy]

6. Kenny Smith should apologize for choking in the Syracuse game

Handed Bobby Knight a title on a silver platter.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

[whathehell]

41. Oh sure...that's exactly the same thing.

not...Palin was being discussed in terms of her "looks" not her ability...Get it?

[seabeyond]

7. yes, all the men played their sexist little roles perfectly. that is what people are commenting on.

a society that men no longer have boundaries on what is acceptable to say to/about women. lets cut them more slack....

[LynneSin]

9. Exactly

The thing is, I've seen Morgan's standup - he's raunchy.

But the TNT guys should have no better. The moment you ask "Sarah Palin or Tina Fey" you're opening up a massive can of sexism right there. Like some tacky "Who's hotter" website

[seabeyond]

14. it is all over. of course they know. but regardless morgan should know time and place.

i am so GD tired of the "raunchy" male with his little skits of saying crap about women. i chose not to watch. but he was outside that environment where he is allowed to play in his ugly raunchy laugh.

stern? maher? allowed to be sexist, misogynist pigs with their audience. if they bring it to other environments, they know they will be clobbered.

[LynneSin]

21. Here's something I don't know - is that a live show or not?

If it isn't a live show, I wouldn't be surprised Morgan said it in hopes of having the entire bit pulled from the show.

[catzies]

141. Yes ma'am you bet it's live -- that why Chuck is usually the wild card.

When he used to drink it was edge-of-your-seat television because you never knew what he was going to say next.

/unabashed Barkley fan

[whathehell]

52. Quite right about Stern and Maher....It's why they've been "marginalized"

on satellite radio and Pay Cable, respectively.


Edited for spelling.

[LynneSin]

69. He would have never said it if he wasn't put in that uncomfortable position

I know that's no excuse but I'm just annoyed that the news and TNT especially are making this like it's all Tracy Morgan's fault.

It's not - he was just being himself. We need to ask why those hosts of TNT's NBA show were even going there in the first place.

[seabeyond]

72. lol, for third post

you are exactly right. ya.

[LynneSin]

79. OMG I need to see who I am replying to sometimes

yikes!

I'm bad aren't I

[seabeyond]

80. nope. just had to catch up wth me agreeing with you. lol. i understood. nt

[Happyhippychick]

10. I'm about to express an extremely unpopular sentiment

I thought it was funny. And I thought it was sexist. And it might be worth a disapproving glance but it's not worth an uproar.

[LynneSin]

19. No outrage from me

My outrage is pointed towards the people who thought it would be cute to play "Who is hotter than whom" on an NBA TV show.

Maybe Morgan said what he said in hopes of getting that whole thing removed from the show. Is the show live? If so I guess there wasn't any choice, but if it's not live then he probably said it in hopes of them not even putting it in the show.

[whathehell]

25. "Palin is good masturbation material"...Too bad Morgan is NOT!

That should be equally funny to you!:rofl:

[onpatrol98]

126. +1

I was thinking the same thing...talk about a dry dream and no need for a cold shower. Tracy Morgan should be reluctant to mention a sexual topic. If anything, he's instant birth control. He's the butt of more jokes that he knows.

[whathehell]

158. HA......Good one!

"Instant birth control"...love it.

[blueamy66]

42. My question is....

only men masturbate????

I don't find it sexist at all...I love Barkley...don't enjoy Morgan...but sexist? Naw

:-)

[seabeyond]

43. and a woman is on tv and says, i could masterbate to that. how does that go over? nt

[blueamy66]

161. I wouldn't know.

And probably wouldn't care either.

[WinkyDink]

11. Oh, the Tea Partiers agree with him. They just won't like a Black man's saying it!

[seabeyond]

18. g-d, isnt that the truth... lol. i mean

the party of being afraid of that ole black man.

[JoePhilly]

13. Sarah "wink, wink" Palin being treated like a sex object??? She'd have it no other way.

A key element of her shtick is to get the old tea party guys excited.

[seabeyond]

20. so, i have to say again to you. yes. which makes it damn hard to stand up with her.

but i can point the finger at both wrongs.

[JoePhilly]

32. Perhaps, but don't worry about Sarah, she'll love the attention.

She will get to cry foul, play the victim, all while simultaneous smiling because this entire line of her own sexual objectification is one she actively promotes.

Its one of the many reasons my wife hates her. I think most women know another woman who is totally incompetent, but who has enough sex appeal to manipulate the men around them to get what they want.

The other point I'd make is that Tracy's comment is in appropriate, but it does one thing that I do like ... it takes her intentional sexual manipulation, and FLIPS it over. The whole point of her "winky winky" nonsense is that her sexuality HIDES just beneath the surface ... its a tease. Tracy's comment strips off (pun not intended) the covering. He exposes the tease by taking the notion of her sexual objectification to its most logical conclusion.

[seabeyond]

35. i am not worried about palin. i dont give a shit about palin. it is a society that feel it is ok

to continually talk about women in this manner. fuck palin. but i agree with your WHOLE post. everything else. it does all that and allows for women and certain men to address the issue. and the channel that had the comment made. not acceptable.

[whathehell]

28. Please...How much do you think Obama's good looks played into his success?

As a woman who finds him politically disappointing, but very physically attractive, I believe I can answer with "a lot".

[JoePhilly]

34. You let me know as soon as he starts winking at the audience.

Sarah goes out of her way to objectify herself.

Wink Wink.

[seabeyond]

37. my father. my intelligent, conservative, mature father. when palin first came on the scene

for vp i asked him, what is there about palin to allow yout o vote for her.

the first word out of his mouth..... shes hawt.

another WTF? you are voting for someoen, a time our nation is a mess, because she is hawt?

that shut him up, but that was her qualification from the beginning and they used it readily.

[whathehell]

47. Yep...Intelligence and maturity can get a run for its money

when "hawtness", LOL, comes into play...and, to an extent I believe it works with both genders,

although I think women are more predisposed to think with what's between their ears rather than what's between their legs

in decisions of such importance.

Poppy Bush DELIBERATELY picked Dan Quayle because he was good looking

and he thought he'd attract the female vote...During JFK's campaign, many men predicted that

he would win because women would vote for him on the basis of his looks.

When is the last time we had an ugly President?...

I can't remember any after LBJ and he first came into office because of the rules of succession.:shrug:

[JoePhilly]

51. My 75 year old father in law was very similar ... when she came on TV ...

he'd sit up, get all excited... start talking about how wonderful she was and get all giggly (and this is not a "giggly" man).

So I asked him what he liked about her ... which stopped him cold. He couldn't put his finger on it. He stuttered a bunch, said she was "spunky", and which point my mother in law yelled from the other room ... "He thinks she's cute!!".

[whathehell]

54. Great post..

I love that interplay between your inlaws!...It's classic!

[JoePhilly]

57. She busts him on a regular basis.

[whathehell]

82. It sounded like she was "telling the truth", if that's busting, lol. n/t

[JoePhilly]

87. It is ... he tells a story, and she stands behind him rolling her eyes.

Its hilarious.

[whathehell]

93. Sounds like my parents....I know the drill

and it can be funny.

[JoePhilly]

133. My wife and I often feel like kids in church trying not to laugh.

Her dad is telling a giant fish story ... mom is rolling her eyes behind him ... and we have to not laugh out loud.

He sees himself as very serious. And in many respects he is, but he is also very self-unaware. So he does an says some crazy things that he thinks are quite serious and well thought out. And he thinks that, given his age, he can't ever be questioned, particularly by his "children" (now in the 40s and 50s) ... but "MAWMAW" can bring him down a peg.

[whathehell]

39. Sorry...not equitable because he's likely aware

of the fact that his wink wouldn't do squat for him or many others.

Now if he looked like Obama, Denzel, etc...You'd be on even ground.:eyes:

[JoePhilly]

55. See post #53

[whathehell]

85. I'm not going through all the posts for #53....Repeat it or send the original. n/t

[JoePhilly]

88. Its about 3 posts below this one. Read it, don't read it.

[whathehell]

95. Read it and replied.

[whathehell]

45. He doesn't have to...His SMILE is, and I quote, "killer"...and

don't think he doesn't know it.

The business of Palin's "objectifying herself" holds SOME water, but not as much as defensive guys want to believe.

The truth is, she's a VERY attractive woman, and, like Obama, all she has to do is smile, and men would be flocking to her

OR, ocnversely, saying she's "aksing for it".....

This is a truth I know from the experience of having men "read" unbelievable

things out of my own smile when I was young and attractive.

[JoePhilly]

53. Ah, but you miss the point.

The issue at hand is this ... other than her sex appeal, what else does Sarah bring to the table? I'd submit, NOTHING.

And that's the difference. There is nothing wrong with being attractive. And yes, at times being attractive will give one an advantage. But the question is whether one brings something more to the table then just their physical attractiveness.

Moreover, does one RELY on their physical attractiveness as the PRIMARY mechanism to get what they want. Obama brings a get deal more to the table that Sarah ever could. Sarah knows her physical attractiveness is her most important attribute, and she uses it as such.

[whathehell]

91. No, actually I don't miss the point, I guess

I just don't agree with it in THIS important respect:....You say:

"Sarah "knows her physical attractivenss is her most important attribute, and she uses it as such".

Wait a minute...You do not "know that", and neither do I...She may very WELL think she's competent..We know she's not, but I could imagine "self-awareness" not being her strong point!

So, I'm sorry, that supposition doesn't hold...We would have to know her or hear something that would indicate the truth of your supposition,

and I haven't heard it.

[JoePhilly]

132. The winking demonstrates that she does infact, intend it.

People do not wink by accident, especially during a political debate. It was intentional, and it had a specific purpose.

Here is an article that I think hits this nail on the head.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/oct/04/uselections2008.sarahpalin

A few quotes from the article ...

She is trying to act like a southern belle. She is not acting like someone who could be president of the United States and John McCain is one heart attack away," said Priscilla Glascock, a 26-year-old nurse who is supporting Barack Obama. "The men are going to love it," she sneered.

"She winked at us," Pepper said in disbelief. "All the claims that the media is sexist and the Democrats are being sexist are out the window. The fact that this woman as a vice-presidential candidate stood on national TV and winked at me completely insults me."

As my wife would say ... Sarah knows EXACTLY what she is doing.

[whathehell]

137. Of course, she's attractive

and of course, she's going to milk it a little..(I don't think a "wink" is the exactly the equivalent of a striptease) but that is different from saying that "She knows she has no other talents so that is why she is 'using her looks'".

Women and men use their looks on TOP of their ability...The problem is, we see she doesn't have much ability but no one can swear that SHE knows that...

Beyond all that, crude "jokes" that de-humanize her into a "thing" are unacceptable.

[JoePhilly]

147. She is the woman who so many women (like my wife) hate, becasue

she uses sexuality to MASK her intellectual failings.

She may not know much, but she does know how to "use it".

And ... within a few years ... Palin will become Kay Bailey Hutchinson ... a conservative woman who had plenty of experience, but who was too old to get the VP nod from the GOP.

Tracy's comment was inappropriate to be sure ... but Palin is what she is, an unqualified media creation trading on her sex appeal.

Unless you think she has put forward a few meaningful policy positions.

[1Hippiechick]

149. And your wife is exactly right, imo. Plus

for all the women who have to work so hard to be taken seriously and to be seen as something other than a 'skirt' Palin sets back ALL of us. Worse, the more attractive intelligent women have two strikes against them before they ever open their mouths thanks to the likes of Palin, Bachmann, etc.

[seabeyond]

151. i agree with your wife

totally. she is the woman in the office that does not do her job, but uses sex to stay employed. then when men start treating other women like her, because she allows it, we are the b*tch. instead of interacting with us as equal coworkers.

[JoePhilly]

153. YUP ... my wife is a "bitch" at work because she calls Bullshit ...

and many of the men around her hate it.

Last year, she called bullshit and was threatened by both her immediate management, and by the men in peer organizations.

She stood firm and after some very tense times (we figured she'd get fired), the executive management saw that she was the only one telling them the truth. Two male up-line managers, and a woman who traded in "pretty" were gone.

I think my wife is a very attractive woman, but she does not ever try to use that. She is all business. And at times, she finds that works against her. But she will not cave in to it.

[whathehell]

154. Again...

I simply disagree with you and you're wife...and it has, as I explained,

nothing to do with what you or I think is "meaninful" in terms of policy positions.

If you want to believe otherwise, fine, but I'm not going around on this merry go round anymore.

[Name removed]

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[whathehell]

22. Tracey Morgan says Palin "good masturbation material....What can we say?.....Too bad he isn't?

:rofl: Sorry, but what's good for the goose is good for the gander.

[seabeyond]

26. this is the chuckle for me. some ugly ass man, or old ass man saying, i could hit it.

my mouth drops open. i cannot imagine how stupid an old women would look saying "i could hit it" about some young virile male.

these men just dont get how it emphasis their unfuckability. it is the exact opposite of what they think they are getting with their buddies.

[whathehell]

30. Exactly...

....In my view, Morgan is very unattractive. period.

[seabeyond]

31. i really picture the men that say this shit, the sterns, maher, as the pathetic teenage boy that

never had a date and they are lashing out now. not a pretty picture

[whathehell]

44. Precisely

They may be ugly, crass and socially awkward, but hey!..they ARE men

and "membership" in that gender/caste system has it's privilges.

[seabeyond]

46. may be ugly, crass and socially awkward, but hey!..they ARE men

damn. right on.

[whathehell]

48. Thank you...

Great minds, and all that:toast:

[LynneSin]

59. But Morgan didn't instigate that entire conversation

You want to point fingers at ugly look at the people working TNT's "Inside the NBA" that couldn't think of an NBA question to ask Tracy Morgan during their show.

Essentially the TNT folks decided to play "Who's hot and who's not" with Morgan and he returned with a "I'm so tired of this bullshit" answer.

[seabeyond]

61. i wasnt talking about morgan being ugly. i didnt know what the man looked like

this was more an overall expression.

it is like so many of these guys. they have a gendre, are brought in outside of that group, and told to go for it. these people learn to rein back or they put foot in mouth.

yes, i guess it was barkley who brought it into play.

morgan that feels repercussion.

moore. with maher. got into the whole male on male talk. moore, a good guy, had to bring obama to a pink tutu. i know why he did it. he was manning up to mahers manhood. so he throws out pink tutu. we called moore on it. just what happens.

[LynneSin]

67. Good point

I've seen his standup so what he said is of no suprise.

And the guy has worked for Tina Fey for well over a decade with SNL and now 30 Rock. So I suspect he's been asked this question alot the past 2 years and I'm sure he's just overly annoyed with it.

I doubt Morgan would have made that comment if he wasn't put on the spot by the guys on that NBA show, most notably Charles Barkely.

[seabeyond]

70. i gotcha now. but

i did enjoy the whole conversation this situation brought forth.

[Pedalpower]

146. There's no such thing as a dirty, old man...

... They're just the same young guy trapped in a dirty, old wrapper.

[seabeyond]

152. wrong. that is what they tell themselves, and why they make fools of themselves

when they are just too old to look anything but, foolish.

[fishwax]

119. hehe

that's a funny line (though I tend to agree with the OP that the introduction of this topic in the first place by the TNT team is the bigger misstep here).

[toddaa]

27. I'm probably going to get in trouble for this but...

What seems to be the consensus on this thread is that a man fantasizing about a particular woman while masturbating is sexist. As a man, who likes to think I am sensative to feminism and recognizes my sexist tendancies, I don't believe masturbation fantasies, no matter how wierd or disturbing, qualify as sexism.

Morgan was clearly making a joke and pushing the boundaries of good taste. That is his style, and while it works within the context of 30 rock, I don't find his comedic style particularly funny. Still, I'm not sure that the joke itself was sexist.

flame on

[seabeyond]

29. does anyone care what it takes for you to jack off? i can hit it. i can jack off to it.

a thing. creates her as a thing.

that was his sole purpose. you really think he is fantasicizing about her? the intent, and women experience it from the youngest of ages for decades, was to put her to use.

[whathehell]

38. Exactly....It makes her a "thing"....Ugly, mysogynist, demeaning.

How would he like to be talked about in similar terms regarding his race?


Race and gender are BOTH conditions of birth, and no, slams one one should NOT be more acceptable than the other. Period.

..and if you disagree, I want honest reasoning as to why.

[whathehell]

33. It will become less sexist when the "fuckability" of men becomes as much an accepted "joke"

from women as the reverse....


Take it from this woman -- Morgan is one of the most unattractive, unfuckable men I've ever seen!

[Le Taz Hot]

36. Uh, no.

We don't give a shit who you jack off to but to elevate what passes as locker-room conversation to national TV denigrating Sara Palin via sexual terminology is unacceptable.

[whathehell]

40. Thank you...You've explained it well.

[LynneSin]

65. Yeah but what DUers seem to be doing is giving a free pass to the real culprits

Morgan was being Morgan.

What about the louts from that show who decided to push his buttons and even ask the question. I highly doubt Morgan would have just rattled that off randomly.

[negativenihil]

49. Classic Tracy Morgan! n/t

[whathehell]

50. Classic ugly dude spouting off demeaning things he gets away with 'cause he has a dick

between his legs..YEAH!...How progressive!....Let's all salute THAT:eyes:

[LynneSin]

60. Wait, why are you blaming him

It's not like he grabbed the mic from those guys from TNT and said that.

THEY ASKED HIM!!

Sure perhaps Morgan should have walked away but I'm guessing he get's asked that question alot and figured if he said something assinine they'd drop the whole bit from the show.

The TNT folks are the ones that wanted to play a game of "Who's hot and who's not", not Tracy Morgan. I'm sure Morgan would have been much happier if he was asked something pertinent to the situation - like who is he cheering on in the NBA or some other basketball related question. Instead Smith & Barkley decided to play a game of "Who's hot and who's not", which makes them just as wretched if not moreso.

If I was TNT I'd fire both of them.

[whathehell]

84. "They asked him"?...Yes, they asked him and he answered in a shitty way. .. What's your point?

but he chose, it seems, to denigrate her AS A WOMAN, not a politician, for a cheap laugh...How is he not responsible for that?

"but I'm guessing he gets asked that question alot and figured if he said something assinine they'd drop the whole bit from the show"

Sorry, but I think your "guessing" is a matter of giving Benefit of the Doubt" where it's not warranted..You've seen at least one poster

here who said that even his regular act is "very raunchy"......He gets no passes from me.:shrug:

[LynneSin]

89. You don't think Barkley playing "Who's hot, who's not" isn't denigrating to women

The man was hired to talk about basketball, not judge women. Tracy Morgan is known for his raunching stand-up comedy and Charles Barkley gave him a loaded gun.

The only ignorant person I see here is Barkley and yet everyone wants to give him a free pass. Morgan didn't randomly make that statement he was asked to judge the looks of Sarah Palin and Tina Fey. And I'm sure this isn't the first time he's been asked since he's worked with Fey for probably well over a decade.

[whathehell]

92. I think you're barking up the wrong tree..I am not giving Barclay a pass

He's probably a sexist jerk as well, but that, in my opinion, doesn't make Morgan any less so.

[negativenihil]

64. "Classic Ugly Dude"

How progressive indeed!

Seriously, get over yourself.

[seabeyond]

76. seriously, i think that is the whole point with men that do this. get over yourself. yup, nt

[whathehell]

83. Oh sure...Men are allowed to talk looks, postive or negative, but

it seems we women need to "tread gently".....Fuck that.

[Dappleganger]

86. Lisa Lampanelli...

gets away with it all the time, and she's a hit with her female audiences.

Morgan is a comedian, not a politician or journalist.

[whathehell]

94. I don't know Lampanelli...

is she some kind of self-hating female comic?

As to Morgan, though, you need not be a "journalist" or a "politician" to avoid publicly shitting on peoople.

[Dappleganger]

96. Ok, whatev.

We get that you don't like him.

[whathehell]

99. Umm...You "get" wrong...but if that' all you can get out of this discussion,

I'm afraid it says more about you than me, not to mention all the other women here who really "get it".


Hint: I don't "like" anyone who demeans women..or Blacks, or Latinos...Get the gist?

[Dappleganger]

100. I'm a woman...

what does that say about me?

Your sweeping judgment is beyond ridiculous.

[whathehell]

105. What does it say about you?

Read post #97...I think that's what it says about you.


As for my supposed "judgement", I'd say your sweeping lack of any merits the same description.

[Dappleganger]

109. Then you can go read post #108.

[whathehell]

121. Uh huh...Sure...Whatever.

I believe we have said goodbye, haven't we?

[whathehell]

101. Gave up, huh?

It's nothing new...Most of the women here "get" that most of the men here who are very sensitive, and rightly so, to the denigration

of "minorities" are fiercely defensive for and of, men who regularly demean women.


Guess that "maleness" has its priviliges, huh?

[Dappleganger]

103. I wouldn't know that it has its privileges...

since I'm a woman.

[whathehell]

106. That's Okay!

Male identified women THINK they have those priviliges, lol.

[Dappleganger]

111. So now you know just how I THINK???

O M G

You don't know me and I certainly don't know you, but you are wrong and I am finished and BORED with your trying to tell me how to think. I am too damn old to give a shit about your insignificant outrages.

[whathehell]

120. Let's just say it corresponds to certain patterns..

As for my supposed "insignificant" outrages, it seems they WERE shared by other women here, weren't they?

And were, in any case, "significant" enough to get you going, werent't they?


Good bye and good luck.:hi:

[Dorian Gray]

173. I think

all comedians are self-hating. It's pretty much a pre-requisite, and it's what makes their comedy so biting.

[whathehell]

177. I think

there are different kinds of comedy...not all of it "biting" or needing

to be so to be funny.

[Dorian Gray]

58. I'm a woman....

and, honestly....????? It's Tracy Morgan. Who cares? It would be weird if he said that about Tina Fey because they work together.

I guess I should be outraged by the sexism, but I'm really not. Sort of grossed out that someone would want to masturbate to Palin, but.... whatever.

[LynneSin]

63. I'm a woman and I'm more pissed at the two who decided to play "Who's hot, who's not" on an NBA show

Morgan was being Morgan and I'm guessing he's annoyed when people ask him that question since he's worked with Tina Fey for a very long time.

Why were Smith & Barkley from a show about the NBA even going there?

[Dorian Gray]

171. I don't know

Their question was inappropriate. I guess they brought up Fey bc Morgan works with Fey. And then Palin because of her famous imitation. It was all BS filler, and I do think that there was no appropriate way for Morgan to respond.

[whathehell]

97. Yeah, well

he once addressed Tina Fey as "bitch" on SNL.

As for the rest..Your lack of caring isn't anything new, unfortunately.

There are lots of women who, being demeaned and trivialized all of their lives, come to

"expect" it, and identify more with men, even unconsciously....


Having said that, Have you ever heard of a "consciousness raising"?...It sounds like you could use one.

[Dappleganger]

108. Do you have any idea how condescending to women you sound

in that statement?

I bet you don't.

I'm not judging you, just saying that we have different opinions on comedy and your finger-wagging is getting pretty damn old.

[whathehell]

123. Sorry you don't like..

but you do know that Ignore is your friend, don't you?:shrug:

[Dorian Gray]

170. Perhaps

I am just numb to it. I don't know. I don't claim it's a good thing. And I do think TM was put in an awkward position without a good possible answer.

[whathehell]

178. I think It's easy

to get "numb" to it...numb to injustice, to pain, and to insult.

It's easy, but not better...

What's better for you, and all you hold dear,

is to stay a feeling human and to demand dignity for that.

[Dorian Gray]

179. Sure...

though I don't think his comments were unjust or painful. Perhaps insulting, but even then, I don't really think that they were.

I know people who sexualize males. It's talk without substance. And it isn't just men who do it.

Having said that, I'm bowing out of this conversation because I don't really care. It's a comedian being a comedian. Obviously it bothers you much more than it does me. I respect that, so I don't want to argue with you to convince you otherwise. That's not my purpose. My initial response was my reaction to it. It's possible I've been conditioned by society to be numb. It's possible I just didn't find the whole brouhaha something to get angry over. Either way, my reaction is mine. I don't expect other people to feel the same way.

[whathehell]

181. Sure...

"I know people who talk sexually about males"

No shit, sherlock...We went beyond that, as I recall.

Never mind. Keep being numb and/or clueless.

Sorry I bothered to respond.

[Dorian Gray]

192. If you are concerned

about insult to people, perhaps you should watch your tone. I've been polite to you. You've been very impolite to many in this thread.

But, I suppose, insult only matters when it offends you.

[whathehell]

194. I am concerned

with people who try my patience by insisting

on "the last word" as you seem to be doing.

I did, in fact, respond to you in a tone I thought

not only polite, but caring.

You responded with no appreciation, only further attempts

to continue an argument I CLEARLY was no

longer interested in having.

When people ignore good faith attempts at civility and thoughtfulness

I don't believe they are wise in expecting a lot of consideration.

Beyond that, you'll simply have to remember that Ignore is your friend.

Ciao.

[Dappleganger]

104. Yes, that's how I feel about it too.

And I'm a woman (for those who don't pay attention).

[cbdo2007]

62. Which part was insensitive?

[polmaven]

98. Wow!

I do feel badly for the women in your life.

[cbdo2007]

102. Why? I'm not a comedian.

I expect comedians to say insensitive things. That's how they make most of their money and get the most attention.

[Dappleganger]

107. That's my thinking as well...

comedians are expected to say shocking things, that's how they get attention (and money).

[cbdo2007]

110. I'm only shocked that people still get shocked when comedians say something "shocking".

[Dappleganger]

112. I think that some people here get off on being outraged and shocked

at ridiculous things, then enjoy shaking their fingers in other's faces when they don't think exactly as they do.

Thankfully, I'm too damn old to give a shit anymore. ;)

[seabeyond]

115. so....

you want the respect of your position as you belittle the one that disagrees as you call out the person who belittles you.

hm

(i have been reading the interaction between you two, but at the point of reducing a sexist comment and people who challenge it as "outraged" "shocked" "ridiculous" "shaking fingers", is when i call the kettle to the pot)

now i will back on out.... lol

[Dappleganger]

116. Usually you and I are on the same side of the argument...

so I'm choosing to not give any more response out of respect for that.

[seabeyond]

117. lol

i hear ya.... that is why i didnt get into it either. oh.... i love ya.

[Dappleganger]

118. Love ya back!

:hi:

[seabeyond]

113. no one is shocked. so why are you shocked, when a woman fed up with sexist bullshit

calls out sexist bullshit?

no more. and. no less.

[whathehell]

129. Yeah...I guess you're not old enough to remember when comedians were actually "funny".

without needing to "shock".

That's unfortunate.

[cbdo2007]

135. I didn't say I thought it was funny.

I had heard him do the "Sarah Palin is hot" bit before so I wasn't shocked nor was I amused.

[whathehell]

127. When someone publicly speaks of you as a "thing"..i.e. "material"

maybe you'll get the idea.:eyes:

[cbdo2007]

136. I doubt it. I can't control other peoples thoughts or speakings....

and I can't possibly get worked up over every stupid thing everyone says so I'll probably just ignore it and it won't have any impact.

When did Palin come out and call this insensitive?

[whathehell]

138. Please....

as a male, it's unlikely you've EVER experienced it, let alone the hundreds and even thousands of times females have, both directly

ir indirectly.


It's a very "different life"....Trust me.

[Nye Bevan]

74. It's not appropriate to grade women on whether men like to look at them when they masturbate.

And I'm not going to carve out an exception for Sarah Palin here.

[LynneSin]

78. Then ask why Charles Barkley asked the question in the first place

Barkely is suppose to be hosting a show about the NBA, why couldn't he ask Tracy Morgan a question about the NBA instead of that sexist question & comment HE made.

[whathehell]

128. Thank you!!

Who woulda thought?...a male here who "gets" it!

You see...It can HAPPEN!

[Exultant Democracy]

75. I think that comedians should get a lot more slack then other public figures,

their job is to push the envelope.

[seabeyond]

77. the thing with that perspective? we get to push back. and that is what happened. nt

[Renew Deal]

81. Barkley knew what he was getting into

If you know Morgan, you know. They set it up and he hit it out. I don't think Morgan's comments are appropriate, but I also think Barkley shares responsibility.

Morgan is a funny comedian.

[LynneSin]

90. I think Barkley is way more responsible for this mess than Morgan

but that's just me.

Good comment though :D

[fishwax]

122. Kenny Smith too, eh?

He's the one who introduced the topic with the who's hotter question, I believe ...

[LynneSin]

124. Yes you are correct - both of them should be reprimended by TNT and the NBA

I'm sure Morgan's mindset when he heard the question was basically "Not this shit again - why can't they ask me something about the NBA"

[joeunderdog]

114. A sexist comedian? OMG!

If Tracey was politically correct, not only would he not be on the show, he'd probably be unemployed. Disparaging remarks are why he owns all those big houses. Like it or not, they are the tools of his trade and I'm guessing he won't be issuing any apologies anytime soon.

He's a comedian, not a world leader.

[whathehell]

125. Funny how so few object to "political correctness" when it's only women who are being

insulted.

I'll start laughing when "comedians" can make RACIST remarks and get away with it...Get it?

[Dorian Gray]

172. They do

all the time.

Go to any comedy club in NYC and you'll see a slew of racist jokes and un PC mud slinging.

[whathehell]

176. Not on television...

certainly not "all the time".

And what is "pc" for white men of the heterosexual persuasion, anyway?

[Evoman]

131. Tracy Morgan probably sleeps with women more attractive than Palin.

As if he masterbates to her image. It was a joke.

And since I'm already no doubt missing the point, I might as well add that comment was tame and not even that funny.

[whathehell]

139. If he pays for it...

maybe..

The comment's "lame"?...Yeah, sure...and as a male who does not GET those type insults

at least in public, you're in a great position to evaluate.:eyes:

[Name removed]

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[whathehell]

156. Hardly the point, Linus,

and I think we "girls" might wait a bit before we decide what you "boys"

have the experience to define.:eyes:

[catzies]

140. Damn, I'm sorry I missed it!! Inside the NBA is my 3rd favorite show (after Jon & Stephen)

Because Charles Barkley is awesome.

[melman]

142. It was funny

People on here can be unbelievably uptight at times.

[whathehell]

159. Yeah...sure..

We "girls" are so uptight about about being treated like pieces of meat..duh.

Another icon of male sensitivity comes to DU.:eyes:

[melman]

182. Yes

You are uptight if you let an offhand comment by a comedian upset you. :eyes::eyes:

[whathehell]

184. No..

Or haven't you noticed the other "uptight" here who agree with me.

Do yourself a favor, genius...read the thread.

Otherwise, shove it where the sun don't shine.

[MrSlayer]

143. Face it, It's the only reason she's popular.

The only people that like her are white, conservative men. And the only reason they like her is because they want to fuck her. No one else takes her seriously.

[Liquorice]

145. That's not true. There are many women and girls who like her too. nt

[whathehell]

157. Exactly...and while the haters here will use the "only want to FUCK her"

type denigration, I doubt that's what they'd say about a beautiful LIBERAL woman politician,

knowing, of course, that the haters on the other side would say the same about her


Same tired mysogynystic shit,duh. rinse and repeat.

[whathehell]

163. Another thing...The idea that a wink -- a "wink" for fucks sake.. is some big time

"use" of one's sexuality is so lame ("Yes, dear...Let's ride back the 19th century and string UP the winking floozy!)

that one would laugh were it not such an obvious (if pathetic) attempt to justify the extreme hostility toward this woman.

I dislike her and dismiss her as a "politician"...but I'm not going to demonize her for being pretty or for having

the gall to "wink" while being so!


Really people..You've got to be better than this.:eyes:

[MrSlayer]

164. Not really.

If you look at the numbers, most women do not like her.

[whathehell]

168. That's great,

but you know what?...None of that is a reason to make ugly, de-humanizing comments about her, especially in public.

That's it in a nut shell. period.

[whathehell]

160. Sorry...I would bet a number of conservatives, black and white,

like her too.

"No one takes her seriously"?...She's obviously not a genius, but geniuses are hard to find

on that side of the aisle, you're vicious sexism notwithstanding.

[MrSlayer]

166. Wrong. Just wrong.

Look at her numbers. I'm not saying the odd black person or woman might not like her but her big supporters are older, white men. Her numbers are tiny among other demographics.

[joeunderdog]

174. Correct, if she were a matronly, out of shape woman with the same platform

and (lack of) smarts and experience, she would never have been a factor.

There is simply no argument against the fact that people trust people who they view as attractive, and that men will think with the wrong head to their own demise time after time. Fact.

[whathehell]

193. Nor would she have been the target of hostile sexual remarks.

[Rex]

144. Commercials made this kind of thing popular - Mary Ann or Ginger?!?

I Dream of Jeanie or Bewitched? This has been going on for years and years...expect it to continue, it makes money for the cable channels.

[Pedalpower]

148. Sexism or Sexuality?

Bear with me, because this may be offensive to some.

Is it sexist to admit an attraction to someone else?
Is it sexist to say that they're they type you would masturbate to?

I certainly think it's crude and potentially inappropriate.

If he said her only value is in her looks...
Or that she's only good for sex or masturbation, then that'd be plenty sexist.

I'm open to opinions, but I have had conversations with some who believe any expression of guy-toward-girl sexuality is sexism. And some seem especially offended when the offender is unattractive. That's kinda sexist(;

Ya know, when people ask me the Ginger or MaryAnn thing, I imagine what it'd be like to be in a relationship with that person, before deciding... is that weird? Sexist?

[JuniperLea]

150. Maybe he was being sarcastic? eom

[flvegan]

155. I could have mapped this thread and the responders without even opening it.

Some of these threads write themselves.

[seabeyond]

162. you included

smilin....

[Warren DeMontague]

167. Either you think sex and masturbation = "oppression", or you don't.

Either the mere thought of sex and sexuality irreversibly reduces people to inanimate fuck objects, or it doesn't.

I side with "don't", and "doesn't".

As for Palin, she's not taken seriously because she's an idiot, a creationist, etc. etc.

Not because someone masturbates to a picture of her.

[whathehell]

169. Oh suuuure.....It's that simple, isn't it?

.:sarcasm:

Men and women are certainly in possession of exactly the same power and sexual attitudes, arent' they?


Why even even bother rebutting?...You're dishonesty is all too obvious.

[sabrina 1]

188. I don't feel oppressed at all when someone makes a silly remark

Am I supposed to? I just laugh, especially when it involves an idiot like Palin. Even if it's directed to me. There is nothing more empowering than to laugh at someone who thinks they just said something brilliant.

The far bigger crime is that she was foisted on the public in the first place and we've had risk coming across her whiney voice every time we flip through the channels, no matter how fast we do it.

Stop talking about her and she'll go away. We nearly accomplished it and he had to go make a martyr out of her :eyes: which wouldn't work if people didn't help her to play the role.

It's not a big deal what he said! Really, no one is going to die or be tortured (well, if she re-emerges I take that back) or be thrown in jail, or lose their SS or their job because some guy who I never heard of made a silly remark about a woman who is an embarrassment to this country.

I wish I could be offended but I just can't be, sorry. Not over this. I AM offended over what happened to Gaby Giffords and over our support for dictators, and illegal wars and torture and the possibility of destroying our Social Safety nets for the most vulnerable people in this society. But this, just can't feel the anger, sorry.

[whathehell]

191. That's nice....

and I'm sure you feel oh so much "bigger" than me

for the limits you've put on your anger.

My point, at this stage in our conversation

though, is this: I do not give a shit.

Most people do "get" the "goodbye and goodluck" line

You, it seems, do not.

So I will be even MORE direct:

Welcome to my Ignore list.

Thank you.

[boston bean]

175. This OPost and some responses to this thread make me sad and

sick.

[Odin2005]

180. He didn't have to tell the world that she's good to jerk off to!!!

He's a sexist asshole, period.

[sabrina 1]

183. He'll probably be fired for that and Sarah will get to be a martyr

poor thing.

But putting targets on a female Congresswoman, calling for violence against her even when she ends up having her office door shot at out or a gun dropped at one of her meetings, while talk show hosts cheer it all on? They were just exercising their 1st and 2nd Amend. rights! And anyone who points a finger at THEM, will end up being jailed or lose their job.

It's an upside down world. As a woman, I find the focus on this to be excessively trivial in light of all the other 'language' that passes for being protected by the 1st Amendment these days.

Seriously, as a woman and a public figure, which would YOU rather be subjected to? A remark like that (I'd probably laugh) or the language that Rep. Giffords was subjected to? I'd probably call the police, but it would be a waste of time.

Sarah however, will be able to resurface as a martyr now and that's the only reason why I am mad at him.

We had not heard from her for several days and it was almost safe to go back to watching tv or to surf the net. Shame on him for bringing her back into the public eye, and as a martyr yet :eyes:

Women need to grow up and start focusing on real issues that affect them. If the Women's movement made them all so sensitive, then what good was it? I thought it was supposed to make women strong but everytime I see women running for the smelling salts when a silly remark like this is made, I wonder what it was all about.

[whathehell]

185. Way to miss the point.

Not about Palin, per se

Sorry you missed that.

[sabrina 1]

186. Sorry you missed my point.

Did anyone lose their jobs for their attacks and violent rhetoric against Rep. Gifford?

What is it about btw? A guy made a lurid remark about a public figure. And she's a woman. I can't really get all that excited about it to be honest. I know how to handle guys who do that in real life. Don't need protection, I can handle it. And don't want them fired either. If we fired everyone for being stupid, the unemployment rate would be triple what it is right now.

[whathehell]

187. I didn't miss it

I just don't think it's valid,

Unless, of course, you can tell me how the matter

relates to Rep. Giffords...

Beyond that, we simply disagree and I'm not interested

in discussing it further with you.

Have a nice day.

[sabrina 1]

189. My opinion isn't valid? Okay, that's your prerogative.

I think it is and it's served me very well in real life.

The women's movement was about equality, about women being free to make choices. Some women like guys who talk like that and even though I think it's juvenile, others may not.

If we were to be honest, our reaction to what guys say often depends on who they guy is. Look at President Obama eg. The things he says, like 'offshore drilling is great' that are now acceptable but when Bush said them we were tearing our hair out?

Women now have the right to enjoy whatever turns them on and the freedom to make the decision. Before the women's movement, imagine how a woman who reacted positively to a remark like that would be treated? She'd be called all kinds of names. Now, she can take it however she wishes and depending on how she feels about the guy. Freedom!

Sorry you don't want to discuss what women who have a different viewpoint than yours think of these things.

You have a nice day too. I hope people won't let guys making juvenile remarks distract them from the real problems in this world.

[whathehell]

190. Your opinion was simply not well stated

and I gave you the reason why.

I posed a reasonable question to you that you have

not answered, wanting instead,

it seems, to regale me with a lot of blah blah.

Now I'm sorry, but I'm unimpressed

and your time with me is over.

Goodbye and good luck.