Bye Bye Mubarak

[malaise]

and your elite friends. The people are finished with you. This is about economic and political exploitation.

Oh Fuck you Tony Blair - on BBC right now.
Of course the West is speaking about democratic reform - the people are screaming for Mubarak to go and for economic reform.

Elites of the world a new day is dawning.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CE1d9MQKNK4
Wake up and live!!

[GSLevel9]

1. lol why do so many people think he's out?

Not a chance... talk to me in a week.

[Robb]

3. Agreed. He's no fool.

Streets will be silent by this time Wednesday at the latest. Gestures will be made, people in a position to convince the population they are acting in its best interest will be paid off, and declare victory for the common man.

[malaise]

4. Well for starters he's old and he has terminal cancer

He's over - this is the end for him. Even the army is split.

[xchrom]

16. +1

[EFerrari]

5. The army in Alex is joining the protesters per Nic Robertson.

He's toast.

[malaise]

13. and elsewhere

according to the BBC.

[EFerrari]

17. Several reports, security forces have abandoned Suez. nt

[malaise]

26. Watching GIbbs presser

He's history.

[tekisui]

35. I'd be willing to bet that Mubarak has already fled the country.

[TheWraith]

7. I agree that counting our chickens is silly. Remember the Green Movement.

I don't think it's an absolute certainty that he stays in power, but it's just as uncertain that the protesters affect lasting change.

[sabrina 1]

23. That's what they said about Ben Ali a week ago.

And the new Wikileaks cables just released show that the U.S. 'ally' as a 'broker for peace' in the ME was never an ally at all.

He was not interested in brokering any deals, and they knew it. He was interested in keeping the support of the U.S. government so he kept up the act for decades. If he had actually succeeded, he felt they would have no more use for him.

Who has been running this government? It's as if children were given the reins of power here.

The leaks reveal that the U.S. was informed of this but continued to support him as he brutalized and impoverished his own people.

He's finished. The U.S. needs to take a stand now, we are not very popular around the world as our supported dictators begin to fall, as they did in Latin America, one by one.

Yes, 'bye bye' Mubarak. And I hope he is prosecuted for his crimes against humanity. As is happening in Tunisia right now.

I sincerely hope the U.S. finally gives up its support for dictators around the world. Millions of lives have been destroyed by these evil allies of ours and the victims don't forget. 30 later Latin America is holding its war criminals accountable. I hope it happens faster in these countries. Coddling dictators has truly messed up this world and its people.

[tekisui]

29. We'll see. It is looking more and more like he won't survive this.

[EFerrari]

2. I read that Egypt is the talk of Davos.

:)

[Octafish]

8. LOL!

[leftstreet]

32. LOL

:spray:

[Kalyke]

39. Heh... hope they're frightened... very frightened.

[KansDem]

6. I spoke with a follow from Ethiopia this morning.

We were watching the protest on large screen TeeVees mounted on the wall of the building where I work.

He said essentially the same thing: This is about economic and political exploitation.

He thinks this is only the beginning...and that it will spread.

Then a woman came up and said sarcastically of the scenes, "Let's just burn everything down! Don't even try to negotiate!" Another fellow answered her with "I think they've been 'negotiating' for some 30 years now."

I agreed with the fellow from Ethiopia, and said, "Maybe the Tea Party will save us?" We both laughed.

People from abroad are pretty savvy about America...

[malaise]

11. It's going to spread across the globe

No jobs, layoffs, police brutality, deplorable housing conditions, water shortages, low wages and reduced benefits, anti-union activities etc., while watching scoundrels, polticians and corporate thieves and their ideologies and hacks (the elites) throw their wealth and influence in our faces - at some point people always say enough is enough!!

2011 will be a year to remember.

[tabatha]

15. The sarcastic woman

was exactly what I heard during the 1976 riots in South Africa when the school kids revolted against Afrikaans being the language with which they should learn everything. "Why are they destroying their schools? That is just stupid"

The end result was what they wanted.

I don't know if there is a Mandela equivalent to step up to lead; I hope there is.

[kenny blankenship]

9. But if he gets the boot, who will we send our detainees to for "interrogation"?

[GSLevel9]

14. that would be Jordan ;) nt

[Octafish]

10. Royals are thinking they shoulda been a little more sharing when they had the chance.

Not that they actually would, but the thought may cross their minds.

[malaise]

12. Royals and those who prop them up

My advice to the British royals is to have a nice private wedding.

[JuniperLea]

21. That's not bad advice...

I'd be very worried. The world is crazy, and armed... and times, they are a changin'.

http://videos.sapo.pt/Do6Qz6B5blfSL3CzP9mz

[tabatha]

18. Exactly, what I said about South AFrica.

They had something like 200 years to treat people equally, and there would have been a better outcome for everyone. They would have all been at a higher education and living standard by 1976. But the boys with their marbles have to keep everything for themselves.

[malaise]

20. Absolutely correct

They are greedy beyond logic.

[sharp_stick]

19. What makes you think that

whatever comes next will be any better. History seems to show a pretty low tolerability for any kind of real freedom or democracy in this region.

New ruler, new asshole from the same military, new ways to play the same game.

[JuniperLea]

22. This is a people's protest...

There's no evidence there is any one person or administration ready to take over. When things go seriously awry, there's a much more clearly defined plan.

[pnwmom]

49. The Iranian revolution was also a people's protest

that brought Iran decades of an authoritarian religious regime. I think it's too early to applaud what is happening in Egypt.

[sharp_stick]

57. The problem with a people's protest

and I don't disagree that that is what we are seeing is there is no leader. Most of these will eventually disintegrate simply because they don't have any real structure.

I hope I'm wrong, I love Egypt the people there are among the nicest I've come across but I don't see a lot changing until the rest of the world steps up and demands that they change.

[EFerrari]

25. It's not the region that has a low tolerance for democracy

but the Western powers that tank it by funding and arming dictators against the people. Your tax dollars at work. :)

[malaise]

28. Are you watching English AlJazeera?

They say it is over for Mubarak.
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/

Egyptians were showing the press the 'made in America' canisters and rubber bullets.

Watching Gibbs, it is clear that the US is weighing options because they know it is over for Mubarak.

[EFerrari]

30. I was out for a few minutes.

But it was clear Mubarak was out when the folks in Suez weren't afraid of the security forces. I've never seen a crowd like that live.

[malaise]

34. When you turn the teargas

on people, they often become fearless. After that they withdraw their legitimacy and it is over.

Has Mubarak fled yet - the coward won't even come out on TV.
Bet the family fled with the money.

[EFerrari]

36. The rumor is that he and all the money bags went out on private jets

Rumor is he's going to visit the Saudis.

[malaise]

38. Looks like the entire gang will end up in Saudi Arabia

All they need are the Bushies.

[EFerrari]

43. It's not cool to offload toxic waste on an innocent people.

[pnwmom]

50. You think fundamentalist Muslims have a high tolerance for democracy?

[AngryOldDem]

24. Once again the U.S. finds itself in a diplomatic hard spot...

...through years of supporting a repressive government because it is an "ally."

[malaise]

27. They never learn because their self interest

is always against the majority of people on the earth - at home and abroad.

[davepc]

31. If these revolutions end in hard line theocratic states I don't know how that's a win for anybody

The Iranian revolution was the same way as this one at first.

[PCIntern]

33. True enough...

Who is funding this insurrection?

[malaise]

40. Good question

Still if you want to anger young men today, shut down cell phones and social media.

[EFerrari]

37. No mullahs are running this.

But, there is still the small matter of how our government (and other governments, like Israel, the kingdom) will try to manipulate the outcome

[davepc]

41. You don't think the same guys who blew up the christian churches a few weeks back dont have a plan?

There are orchestrated and organized networks of people in every nation who will be in position to take advantage of a political vacuum.

In Egypt the hardliner fundamentalists are as well positioned as any particular body to seize power.

If you think some peoples socialist workers paradise is the end result of this upheaval then I think you're fooling yourself.

[EFerrari]

42. Which hardliner fundamentalists?

You mean, like Elbaradei? I think it's too soon to conjure up the islamophobic fears fed to us by the American media.

[davepc]

44. The ideological friends and relatives of the people who assassinated Sadat

The same people who attack non-Muslim Egyptians with car bombs where they pray.

Those people are very real and not some invention of the American media.

[EFerrari]

45. Yes, Egypt has it nutcases, too, just as we do.

They are not in charge of this revolt.

[davepc]

46. They don't have to be in charge of it to hijack it.

Get the right key people in the right positions and then you can subjugate the revolution for your own aims. It's happened many times and can happen again.

[EFerrari]

47. Well, I agree with that.

But given the revolt cut across every demographic and given that a decent man is willing to lead an interim government, one that the US and the Saudis can work with as much as they'd prefer a dictator, I don't see that happening but, I'm not Miss Clio, either. :)

[pnwmom]

52. You know that for a fact, do you?

Do you have listening devices planted in the mosques? How do you know what the mullahs are doing behind the scenes?

[EFerrari]

53. You really don't have to be a spy if you are willing to do hard work

like follow the story.

Before the protests today, religious leaders went on the radio and advised the people not to protest. All through the protests, Muslims, Christians and everyone else were working together.

Will interest groups try to manipulate the situation? Of course. But this isn't some Islamic fundamentalist conspiracy unless you are a talking head on Fox News.

[pnwmom]

55. SOME religious leaders advised against protest. You don't know

what the rest are doing. In the Muslim world, there is no pope-like figure telling everyone else what to do.

[EFerrari]

56. I don't know what the rest are doing?

Is that supposed to inspire some kind of paranoia in me?

Sorry!

LOL

[pnwmom]

58. Not paranoia. Just common sense. Each mullah speaks only for himself.

So the fact that some publicly counsel peace doesn't mean they all are.

[pnwmom]

51. Right. People seem to have short memories. n/t

[pnwmom]

48. So who is going to take his place? Religious revolutionaries?

Time will tell whether this "new day" is an improvement or not.

[Dappleganger]

54. He's packing his luggage full of gold right now...

let's see which country welcomes him with open arms.