If you had to choose between owning a video camera or a gun, which would you choose?

[Electric Monk]

I'd choose the video camera.

(see Egypt today for a clue why)

[sharesunited]

1. Not a gun to shoot those fuckers taking your picture?

[Electric Monk]

A camera to shoot those fuckers shooting bullets at people.

[Electric Monk]

45. I wonder what the founding fathers would've thought about video cell phones?

:shrug:

[pinboy3niner]

7. LOL!

You and I know that capturing OUR images is sacrilege, but these ignorant infidels--phhhht--they know nothing!

[Forkboy]

2. A camera.

In fact, I've often suggested to hunters who talk about enjoying the thrill of tracking and seeing a wild animal to do so with a camera instead of a gun.

Your reason is good, too. ;)

[madmax]

30. Hey Forkboy - how ya doin?

Heard you had a nasty fall. Glad to see you :hi:

[Forkboy]

50. Hanging in there, thanks.

Fell on some icy stairs. And to think I love Winter! :)

[pinboy3niner]

62. You still love winter?

Good to see you still active--good luck on your surgery next week.

Actually, we don't give a shit about you--we'd just hate to lose Godzilla. :)

[Forkboy]

65. LOL..I can accept that!

:)

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[Forkboy]

51. If you take good enough photos it can.

:)

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. a camera, can I add access to the internet?

Satellite for me.

[Electric Monk]

14. I guess that was implied, but not explicitly stated. Thanks for the addition.

Example.

[DBoon]

20. yes

a gun defends myself

a picture defends my cause throughout the globe

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. You know what is hilarious?

I had my camera many a times when working in that ambulance. I never took a picture. We used the zoom to evaluate scenes....

:lol:

[tabatha]

4. Already chose the video camera.

[burrowowl]

5. A Video Camera!

[ClassWarrior]

6. A camcorder - NO DOUBT. Truth melts bullets.

NGU.

[Blue_In_AK]

8. I'm a still photographer,

and I don't like guns. The choice is obvious.

[Ferret Annica]

9. A gun, as I already own several...

...Including two assualt rifles.

I have videomaking eqiupment too, but if I had to chose between the two items, I would not give up my guns.

[blondeatlast]

17. Because you need it against a tyrannical government, right?

You gotta know those protestors are packin'!

[Ferret Annica]

31. I bought most of them when I was a bored soldier at ft. Bragg, N.C.

I have my reasons. Definately not to go out to shoot anyone like that mindless idiot in Arizona did.

I'm very skilled at what I do, and shooting is only one of these skills. I don't glorify weapons, they are just tools after all.

But suffice it to say I support Second Amendment rights, and I myself am someone who has done civil disobedience and protesting.

I hate corporations and feel the best thing to do with the very rich is make them much less wealthy.

De Oppresso Liber.

[ClassWarrior]

32. Then you support regulations, obviously.

Good for you.

NGU.

[Ferret Annica]

41. I do, for example there should of been checks to keep

Jared Lee Dumb shit from buying a weapon or ammo based on his frightful behavior at his community college.

I also think people should take courses in how to use weapons safely, use trigger locks as most gun deaths are accidental, and they should have to document they know how to use what they are buying.

I do believe people should be able to get concealed permits, but again they should have to have stricter background checks for this. I have been robbed at gunpoint before when I was younger and worked at convenience stores, and have had a pack of kids try to take a very expensive bicycle from me and I barely escaped with the machine under me.

I keep my equipment in a gun safe, triggers locked, bolt carrier groups and pins stored separately, and I keep the ammo separately and secured too. I hate violence, I hate seeing people shot, but I am not going to live as a serf or a slave in a country owned and controlled by corporations and super rich SOBs.

[Electric Monk]

42. Can you imagine being robbed at the point of a video camera?

Something to think about.

[Ferret Annica]

56. Video cameras are great, and invaluable tools

But this thread asked for preferences. I have many friends who have done excellent work doing cop watch and have exposed police abuses with cameras and I appreciate this work.

But my own skills with camera work is not as good as theirs, and their knowledge of weapons, tactics, and training in regards to weapons don't match mine.

As I said, weapons are tools and I have no fetish or glorification of them. My skills are better geared for that particular one of the two options in this either/or thread.

Think about that. I hate violence, but in a reality where oppression increases dramatically, cell phones, cameras and other things besides guns will be confiscated too. Not just guns and ammo.

In that reality, a video camera is just one more rock to throw. I want more than just a rock if that becomes our reality.

[tavalon]

66. I went shooting at a handgun range the other day (ladies night)

And now I'm going to take a gun safety class. Talk about backwards.

However, within the context being discussed, I think a video camera, if the images could be gotten out would be of more use than another dead soldier.

[Control-Z]

67. What about those

30 plus magazines/cartridges/whatever-they're-called that the shooter used in Tucson? Should those really be available to the public?

[Ferret Annica]

76. No, that is ridiculous to have such a big magazine

There has to be a balance between gun rights and public safety, and if you have a lunatic like Jared Lee batshitcrazimon firing indiscriminately into a crowd, more people die if they have such a magazine extension apparatus.

Obviously had he had to pause to reload sooner, less people would of died.

In the Army, I was taught that if ambushed, assault in the direction of the ambush. Had I had been near him - even unarmed - my training would of kicked in with no need to think and would of started going for him.

Much of the training people like me get kicks in as a default reaction. I really would not give a damn if after I got to him and neutralized him I bled out and died if I could stop anyone else from dying so horribly tragically and unnecessarily.

Training to handle this sort of ambush of the public with an assassination intent to it involves more than knowledge and training to respond instinctively; it involves imbuing one with the fire of a passion for justice that makes one love that more than their own life.

The best soldier will die to keep their buddy alive in combat. And when I was in a combat arms MOS in the U.S. Army, I had the honor of knowing many such people. Which is why though the overly religious and conservative assholes I knew made my life miserable sometimes, it was an honor to serve; an honor to be a soldier in the United States Army.

[ClassWarrior]

18. For "protection," right Skippy?

:eyes:

NGU.

[DBoon]

22. missing option: pitbull

you want your house protected while you are aware at work, one of these dogs is very handy

Spoken as someone who has emerged unscathed while our neighbors have been robbed, thanks to our canine friend

[ClassWarrior]

25. No doubt. Kind of hard for a burglar to turn your best friend on you and blow your brains out.

NGU.

[DBoon]

38. and when we are not home

he can't steal the dog as easily as a firearm. The dog protects her territory very passionately and knows who does not belong there

we are a household with 2 wage earners. Our isn't being personally assaulted - it is coming home from a long hard day and finding our home has been cleaned out. Happened to our neighbor

on edit: I'm sure our dog would die defending us. Many dogs have

[Uben]

10. Depends on where one is

If I'm living rurally, probably the gun (you didn't say what kind of gun), preferably a shot gun. If I lived in the city or burbs, probably the camera.

[RKP5637]

37. Very good point! n/t

[blondeatlast]

11. But guns are essential against a tyrannical government! Egypt is famous for allowing armed

citizens, right?

Except that it clearly isn't the case...
__________________________________________

A camera, for certain!

[baldguy]

12. If the protesters had guns, no one in the world would even pretend to support them.

They would be labeled "terrorists" and Mubarak would be able to do anything to restore order.

[krispos42]

21. True

If you go strait from "hey, I have issues" to gunfire, you lose credibility. It's why the RW in this country is going down the tubes. "Wah, we lost an election fair and square! Armed revolt time!"


:eyes:

[DBoon]

24. no I bet some Americans would admire them quitely

as being True Men

[Ferret Annica]

34. Weapons and violence are never a good idea at a protest.

But in an insurgency, they are very useful.

[RKP5637]

39. Yeah, that's what I think too. The guns would escalate it into a blood bath.

[valerief]

13. Camera, of course! nt

[AndyTiedye]

15. Camera

I don't like guns and they don't like me. I can tell they don't like me because they won't shoot where I'm trying to aim them at.

With a camera, if my aim is a little off, I can crop the photo and all is good.

[Lorien]

16. Camera. nt

[AsahinaKimi]

19. I will pass on both..

One scares me and one is too complicated.

[JVS]

29. I used to get confused too.

The thing you have to remember is that you aim the camera at what you want a photograph of and the gun at something that you want to kill. After a few beginner's mistakes it should be smooth sailing.

[AsahinaKimi]

43. well...

Both do nothing against Godzilla... :(

[JVS]

44. Yup. You need the oxygen destroyer for that.

[beevul]

63. Even that wasn't completely effective...

Even that wasn't completely effective, not even after it mutated creatures into a potential foe.

There is no cure for godzilla.


The best, and worst, that you can do, is make him angry.

[Fla_Democrat]

40. You shouldn't fear video cameras

They really are very forgiving in the editing programs. :smoke:

[Turborama]

46. I know what you mean

I just ordered one of these and it should be arriving next week sometime:



http://support.nikonusa.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/17008/~/user's-manual---d7000---guide-to-digital-photography">The manual is 348 pages!

I've downloaded a video tutorial as well, to get as much help as I can with getting my head around it.

[Electric Monk]

49. Camera porn!!!

I would not mind owning one of those, at all :)

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. Hubby got me one of these for our anniversary

Noting as complex as that one... but for what I use it (gaming convention photos) it is purfect. And yes, still learning how to use it.

And for a demonstration it is quite compact too.

[JVS]

26. A gun with a built in camera, like a cellphone.

Or maybe a cellphone with a built in gun and camera.

[NuclearDem]

28. I'm waiting for the iPhone app...

iShoot? :rofl:

[NuclearDem]

27. Camera in the shape of a gun?

Best of both worlds :crazy:

[petronius]

33. Can I compromise? I'll take my still camera and my spear-gun

That way I can still photograph cool stuff, and get food when it all goes to hell...

[RKP5637]

35. Camera. n/t

[Kaleva]

36. Have both but would keep the gun if I had to choose.

I can take pics with my cell phone if need be and I have that with me all the time. The video camera is in some closet somewhere here in the house and on the rare times I use that, I have to ask one of the kids how to operate it.

The guns I have have some historical military significance which is a subject I'm interested in. In time, when the funds are available, I'll buy more but I'll never purchase another video camera.

[annm4peace]

48. video camera on my cell phone

can take a video/picture and email quickly before cops get it.

[nevergiveup]

53. Video camera

I have zero interest in guns.

[Electric Monk]

54. The pen IS mightier than the sword

as they used to say...

[grahamhgreen]

55. Do they make cell phone guns yet?

[Nailzberg]

57. I own five video cameras. None are good for home defense, however.

[The Doctor.]

58. Vid cam... hands down.

So long as it has constant upload.

[kudzu22]

59. Can I have a gun with a camera mounted on it?

[yurbud]

60. the pixel is mightier than the sword

[Dappleganger]

61. Well I have both.

If I could only hold one it would be the camera.

[beevul]

64. The gun.

A video camera doesn't keep the coyotes at bay when they'd rather have our babies for lunch, nor does our mere presence.

[Electric Monk]

71. was that post enabled by your camera or your gun? nt

[beevul]

72. The other halfs camera.

The little girl in the photo, would not still be with us, if not for the gun.

Shes one of two that the coyotes came very close to having for dinner.

They are a brazen bunch, so brazen in fact that we've caught them looking through the windows at the cats, from the front porch, and they become quite defensive when they're between us and our dogs. Defending dinner presumably.

[Electric Monk]

73. You live in a different world than I do.

I let my dog run free in the forest around our cottage sometimes, but my biggest worry for him is the psycho at lot two. We've seen wolves and bears on our property before, yadda yadda, but the scariest thing around for dogs is Bernie.

[Baclava]

68. wow - you lambs are easy pickings - - I'll use my gun to take your cameras

stick em up and fork them over

[Electric Monk]

69. See you on youtube, and we will

[Baclava]

77. Not when they shut down YouTube and the looters come

Now what would you rather have?

[LAGC]

70. Don't be an idiot.

The day either one are banned, its the end of our country.

May both tools (and their successors) live on forever!

[janet118]

74. Video camera . . . for sure

THIS MACHINE KILLS FASCISTS

[Bluenorthwest]

80. Nod to the Woody reference.

[janet118]

82. big nod . . .

[Edweird]

75. Bookmarked.

[benEzra]

78. Both. They're not mutually exclusive. (n/t)

[slackmaster]

79. Get both - Google "gun mounted camera"

;-)

[Codeine]

81. Can't make amateur porn with a gun.

:evilgrin: