Govt. funding allowed only for abortions due to "forcible rape"

[leftyladyfrommo]

I just saw this over on Raw Story. The Republicans were trying to allow govt funding for abortions due to "forcible rape."

I wonder just what they mean by that? Are we going back to a time when women had to have horrible wounds to prove that it was actually rape?

I would think that all rape is forcible. By definition of rape.

I used to know a man who really thought there was a huge difference between "true rape" and other kinds - like "date rape." "True rape" is if a womjan is actually overpowered and battered, I guess.

What morons.

[MadBadger]

1. Not just Republicans...Some Democrats are Sponsors as Well

[leftyladyfrommo]

3. Are they all men?

I can't believe a woman would buy into this argument. Well, maybe Sara Palin.

[MadBadger]

6. All men

Dan Boren, Jerry Costello, Mark Critz,Joe Donnelly,Daniel Lipinksi,Mike McIntyre, Nick Rahall,Mike Ross, and Heath Shuler

[Beaverhausen]

2. yeah, isn't the term 'forcible rape' redundant?

[COLGATE4]

11. Unfortunately, no. Rape is intercourse without valid consent. It

can be invalid because it's done by force, or done by some type of deceptiveness (i.e. getting the girl drunk) or invalid because the law deems it so (statutory rape). The Rethug idea is to remove every category EXCEPT physical force so that a girl who is given a date-rape drug, for example, would no longer be able to get an abortion. Likewise for the 13 year old impregnated by the 25 year old man. Just lovely. Feel the Xian love from these Rethug assholes.

[cynatnite]

4. People should really be outraged by this. They're trying to redefine rape. n/t

[Solly Mack]

5. They're sick fucks.

[leftyladyfrommo]

9. Sick? Yea.

But I think it would really surprise people if they knew how many men just really don't get it when it comes to rape?

[Solly Mack]

10. I've heard some truly fucked up thinking about rape from men...and sadly, women.

and I think of that kind of thinking as sick, warped...fucked up.

The colloquial sick, not as in mentally ill.

[WhiteTara]

7. you made it sound if it's a done deal.

I called my pukie rep yesterday and spoke strongly with his staffers. May I suggest you do the same. HR3 is the number.

[leftyladyfrommo]

8. Naw. Too many people would be against it.

I think I just read where it wouldn't have a chance when it hit the Senate.

Hopefully, saner minds will prevail.

[COLGATE4]

12. Too many people would be against it IF they took the time and

trouble to understand what the issue is, and where the land mine is hidden in this language. However most won't, will say something like another poster just said, i.e. "Isn't all rape forcible", shrug their shoulders and move on. That's how it will get passed.

[WhiteTara]

15. I had to explain that to the young women who worked

for our puke congress critter. They knew nothing. One knew the bill number (HR3) Can you believe this is the 3rd bill they put forward? These men are such scum. But, I digress...

When I asked them what they personally thought of what was happening, one responded, "I just answer the phone" so I explained what what happening and she then replied, "I think this is misguided." The other young woman in DC told me she thought it was wrong (she gave me the bill number) and I urged her to speak out. The young man working on the issue with Womack was a bit stunned by my ferocity. He assured me he'd let the congressMAN know.

[MH1]

13. There are at least 173 of these 'morons' (despicable cretins) in the Congress

I am very worried for the women of this country. More evidence that fundamentalism doesn't have to be 'Islamic' to be really, really shitty.

[Gormy Cuss]

14. "Forcible rape" vs. "statutory rape" is the standard distinction used in reporting the crime

to the FBI as part of the Uniform Crime Report.
Forcible rape has some definition problems (e.g. applies only to female victims who were penetrated)but the lack of consent (or consent under duress) is defined as rape.

Here's the actual definition from the UCR:

Definition

Forcible rape, as defined in the FBI’s Uniform Crime Reporting (UCR) Program, is the carnal knowledge of a female forcibly and against her will. Attempts or assaults to commit rape by force or threat of force are also included; however, statutory rape (without force) and other sex offenses are excluded.

My question is, does the legislation use the UCR definition or is it making up some other standard?





eta: and of course, limiting the funding period is asinine, mean-spirited, and anti-choice.