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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:20 PM Original message |
Obama - the new hero of the Muslim world! |
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Uben (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:25 PM Original message |
No offense, but....... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
6. Let's hope he does not let this "Sputnik Moment" pass him by! |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
7. Me too. n/t |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:07 PM Response to Original message |
66. Touche!! nt |
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elocs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. Don't hold your breath, and don't be disappointed. n/t |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yes, yes and yes. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:25 PM Response to Original message |
3. He's already come out in strong defense of the Egyptian people, and warned Mubarak |
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Tx4obama (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #3 |
10. Seems like a bunch of folks keep missing that fact. n/t |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
11. Because he has not been listening the people. THEY DON'T |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. Yup, a clear, unequivocal statement could reverse our perception in the ME. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. I'm sure he's listening to the people, but what can he do? Call for his ousting |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Even if Mubarek holds on (which he can't without our support, IMHO) Obama would own the Arab street. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #31 |
46. He'd own the Arab street, but what of our relationship w/Mubarak? As distasteful |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:51 PM Response to Reply #46 |
54. I would say he has destabilized Egypt, and that |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #54 |
64. Who's destabilized Egypt -- Mubarak or Obama? nt |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. Mubarak. One can rationally assert he has |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:54 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. Agree -- if it weren't destabilized we wouldn't be seeing the demonstrations. I heard that |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 09:02 PM Response to Reply #31 |
58. From the wikileaks released THIS WEEK |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. Please make a post on this- Thank U |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #21 |
35. It will guarantee Mubarak's collapse if the U.S. withdraws |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:04 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. I understand your anger, frustration and betrayal -- I truly do and I feel much the |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. This is Obama's moment to change our perception in the ME. |
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gateley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #56 |
67. ...And here at home, but I just don't see it happening. I still think he'd like to |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
4. He's not going to do that, he's already made his position clear as |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:30 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. If only he could see what asking Mubarek to step down could do. I hope it's on the table, anyway. |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Yes, I left out the quote from PJ Crowley the State Dept. Rep |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. We need to get USA Tourist OUT first: All countries are evacuating |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Yes, |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:51 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. few days |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
34. Yep, i unrec. for reasons listed above |
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sabrina 1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. We could make them safe by simply withdrawing support for the dictator. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. Very true. Americans would be sanctified! |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:26 PM Response to Original message |
5. Egypt is a sovereign country. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #5 |
12. But Mubarek is not supposed to be the sovereign, the people are. I just hope that |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. That kind of rationalizing would support any US intervention ANYWHERE. n/t |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:42 PM Response to Reply #17 |
27. The kind of intervention that countries do with |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Except for that leeeetle difference with bombs and such-like. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #15 |
29. I disagree with bombs being used. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. Absolutely. I just think it would be great for our country if obama supports him leaving. |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
9. SOTU- he said he support all people seeking democracy like Tunisia |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. No, he is still equivocating. We need a clear statement, simply asking Mubarek to retire. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. No, we don't. What you hear most from people around the world is for the US to stop butting in to |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:40 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Which is what we are doing when we support the torturing dictator to the rune of 2 billion |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:45 PM Original message |
No, sorry, it is not remotely the same thing. n/t |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:43 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. The way to "butt out" is for Obama to STOP backing Mubarak ... a dictator --!! |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. Obama has said that he will cut off aid and impose sanctions. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #32 |
43. Obama knows the Egyptian people are calling for Mubarak to step down...either |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
49. Obama cut Aid in 1/2 in 2009 |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. And the people are still asking for Mubarak to step down ... |
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barbiegeek (844 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Yeah, they have less $$ from Us |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. I think you mean, Mubarak has "less money" to steal -- |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:39 PM Response to Reply #14 |
22. He really can't publicly ask Mubarak to retire,that would |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #22 |
33. Any democracy can ask a DICTATOR to step down... especially when US supported him!! |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:54 PM Response to Reply #22 |
45. Of course he can, we do that all the time. |
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Robb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:39 PM Response to Original message |
23. You suggest this, given our country's track record? |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:44 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Exactly Robb. We should do absolutely, positively nothing other than urge no violence and perhaps |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. Saddam was also our "dictator" as is Mubarak ... let's return Egypt to the Egyptian people ... |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #23 |
38. It took many years for things to go |
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JI7 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:40 PM Response to Original message |
24. Everyone doesn't have to be about us, and in cases of US intervention in the Middle East |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. All that Middle East ... and all that OIL ... !!! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:42 PM Response to Original message |
26. With you -- except that this is not about Obama "wisdom" ... it's elite ownership vs the people .... |
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Doctor_J (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:53 PM Response to Original message |
44. this president is not really good at "coming down strong" |
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browntyphoon (64 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Very true. Talks like a lion and acts like a lamb |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:05 PM Response to Original message |
48. imo, the us gov't is not committed to mubarak at all & is currently negotiating terms w/ him. |
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RandySF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:22 PM Response to Original message |
51. We had eight years of grandstanding. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
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GSLevel9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 09:06 PM Response to Original message |
59. US has been tacitly supporting the resistance there since 2005 |
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DeSwiss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 09:07 PM Response to Original message |
61. Sorry. |
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RandySF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
62. Do we even know what comes after Mubarek? n/t |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:39 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. No. And that is the problem. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
63. Why should he try and be a hero to a particular religious group? |
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bluestate10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:42 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Because that is what President Obama detractors say President Obama should do. |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #63 |
72. The people of Egypt are not a religious group. This is a moment when we could win hearts and minds |
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pnorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:02 PM Response to Original message |
65. Here's a relevant DU thread: |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:18 PM Response to Original message |
68. Obama's playing it like a statesman |
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