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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:27 PM Original message |
Alabama school board to hire 60 TFA teachers costing $5,000 each above salary. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. I just don't even know what to say anymore |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. recommend. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
3. Recommend |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. I don't know which is worse: TFA or NCLB. nt |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Or RTTT for that matter. |
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nadinbrzezinski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:45 PM Response to Original message |
6. UNION BUSTING |
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Raksha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Absolutely. Can't think what else it COULD be. |
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Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. I think you are right. |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:51 PM Response to Original message |
7. But wouldn't experienced teachers come in with a higher base pay? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:24 PM Response to Reply #7 |
19. You agree with paying to recruit teachers from outside the state? When locals are laid off? |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. No, I don't agree with doing that |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 09:49 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I focused on both. Yes, there have been many layoffs in many cities. |
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caraher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Where did I defend it? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
21. You DO know you answered your own question? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
69. From the TFA website here's what is offerred to TFA "teachers": |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
8. I am beginning to really dislike that program |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:02 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Because of the 20 recent college grads I know, it's the only job 16 of them could find (nt) |
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d_r (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 07:59 PM Response to Original message |
10. that's unbelievable |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:02 PM Response to Original message |
11. K&R |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. I am living proof that on-the-job-teacher-training isn't a very good plan.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:12 PM Response to Original message |
14. TX has spent 8 million hiring TFA teachers. |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 03:17 AM Response to Reply #14 |
50. Sigh... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
63. I wish the best for you. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:14 PM Response to Original message |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. "Henny Pennies are a dime a dozen on this board." You say I am "shilling"? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I resent you implied I am paid operative.. |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:15 PM Response to Reply #17 |
29. And???? You should resent that we are 31st in science, 23rd in math. That is what I resent. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #29 |
34. Share your ideas all you want. Just don't call names and be insulting. |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 01:10 PM Response to Reply #29 |
67. The data you presented needs some analysis. |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 01:02 AM Response to Reply #29 |
86. Kids are inspired more often by kids close to their age |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Are you a Bill Gates shill? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
23. We know what TFA is, hon. |
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Michigan-Arizona (516 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
25. I'm thinking that madfloridian just care's about kid's |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. These TFA teachers go into urban schools with poor test scores. Young college graduates who want to |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
35. Baloney. I taught in a very poor neighborhood. TFA had 5 weeks. |
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Igel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #28 |
42. They're interns. |
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upi402 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:48 PM Response to Reply #42 |
62. I feel informed after reading your reply |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 01:11 PM Response to Reply #42 |
68. 20% of the people do 80% of the work in most business sales models. It is true that you can |
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Confusious (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 01:08 AM Response to Reply #68 |
87. Charter schools don't do any better then regular schools |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #28 |
44. Oh. The MSM is strong with this one. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:24 AM Response to Reply #28 |
48. I AM an urban teacher and have been surrounded by these TFAers for several years now |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 01:36 AM Response to Reply #48 |
90. A TFA teacher would be my worst nightmare |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 04:04 AM Response to Reply #28 |
51. Wow. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 01:20 AM Response to Reply #28 |
88. These TFA's have no vested interest in those children. |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 08:27 PM Response to Original message |
20. Why does the board think they need to offer more $$? TFA's just want their nose under the tent. |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:19 PM Response to Original message |
31. I guess no one wants to bring up substitute teachers who only need a degree to sub. They also get |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:24 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Where do subs get paid more? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #31 |
38. Here, I'll help you out. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Uhh, I've been one of the subs you mention... I can assure you I wasn't worth 5K more than salary |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 11:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Oh, and while we're at it: |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
61. They are not firing 75k teachers to replace them with TFA teachers. That is a budget shortfall |
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erodriguez (532 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 10:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
83. New York city has had a hiring freeze for the last 3 school years... Yet, |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 12:45 AM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Yep, the hiring freeze doesn't extend to TFA, only to those like you |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 11:49 PM Response to Reply #31 |
41. Cat got your tongue? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #41 |
54. K |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:14 AM Response to Reply #31 |
45. You are embarrassing yourself by puffing such nonsense. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:19 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Gerald Bracey is greatly missed. I still read his stuff from Huff Post. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #46 |
75. On another thread |
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chervilant (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 10:41 AM Response to Reply #31 |
56. hmm... |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:33 PM Response to Reply #31 |
59. I was doing my own research, and you are right they don't get paid more than most teachers. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:40 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Why should anyone listen to you when you constantly attack and post inaccuracies? |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:54 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. I have never been hostile to teachers. It is telling that having an opposing view to you |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:56 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. You are the one who said we were paid shills. That isn't hostile? |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. You are hostile to teachers. |
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Pisces (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 06:52 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. I am not arguing with Mad, I am frustrated with the system. I do have children that |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. You don't have to shut up. |
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Dappleganger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 01:29 AM Response to Reply #81 |
89. It'll be ok. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 02:02 PM Response to Reply #64 |
76. Hiring TFA while laying off and breaking tenure IS union busting. |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Uhh, 'scuse me— you ask for "positive stories" and ideas, but don't respond when they're provided? |
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Blue_Tires (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 01:48 PM Response to Reply #31 |
72. where do subs get more than full-time teachers? |
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southernyankeebelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:23 PM Response to Original message |
32. Who are these teacher they are hiring.? Are the with rightwing teaching system or something? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. They are well-connected to the "reformers" who want public schools gone. |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 01:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
66. I am OUTRAGED by this assault on education. Thank you madflorian for |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
79. Take a look at their donors. |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-01-11 12:32 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. I'm about ready to go to bed and had to take a peek at DU. Well, I'm |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-29-11 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
37. It's really worked. It started with Reagan's Nation at Risk.... |
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yurbud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:09 AM Response to Original message |
43. Education ''reform'' is corruption. |
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radhika (563 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:22 AM Response to Original message |
47. The deal stinks of Politics...nothing else. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 12:34 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. It's happening all over. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 07:22 AM Response to Reply #49 |
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cstanleytech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 08:05 AM Response to Original message |
53. I am not saying that I support this |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Tenure is simply job security, and teachers can be fired for cause. |
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benny05 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 01:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
71. You raise valid points |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. There is much more to teaching than a math or science background. |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 09:45 AM Response to Original message |
55. Probably in there somewhere |
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Reader Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
57. This deal stinks to high heaven. |
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Initech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 02:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
77. Meanwhile this piece of shit is getting a 350% pay raise. |
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sulphurdunn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
78. Putting unaccredited |
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thanks_imjustlurking (462 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jan-30-11 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
80. You might be able to train an adult with years of work experience in five weeks. |
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