We're trying to slow walk the revolution so we can steal it from them.

[Joanne98]

Our government is trying to put in place another puppet. And they're going to get CAUGHT nobody's this stupid!

It's obvious what they're doing and it's going to backfire!

As far as I'm concerned the protesters have the right to close the US embassy and tell them to hit the road!

I'm so sick of being an EMPIRE!

[Catherina]

1. Rec'd in total agreement. Joanne, please see this petition

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=439x314821


It's going to backfire tragically. We missed a golden opportunity there.

Arab public resentment against the US

Every day that passes with the US refusing to support the ouster of the Mubarak regime, adds a decade of Arab public resentment against the US. And then they dare ask: why do they hate us?
Posted by As'ad at 5:49 PM

[Joanne98]

9. Done

[egressingsparrowdrop]

14. In total agreement with what?

Can you explain what the OP is referring to, specifically?

[egressingsparrowdrop]

2. I haven't been following things in detail what closely. What "puppet" is the US governemnt trying to

put in place there?

[blindpig]

4. Just about any general would do

Thirty years of 'military assistance' bought more than tanks.

[egressingsparrowdrop]

6. The OP seemed pretty specific, though without a name.

Maybe no name, but she said (assuming Joanne is female) the US government was putting in another puppet and "nobody's this stupid! It's obvious what they're doing..."

I haven't seen it, but like I said haven't been listening to the WH on this or the analysis and the like...

Any idea what the OP is talking about?

[blindpig]

7. Consider the 2 VPs that Mubarak appointed...

exhibits A & B. Both generals, one in intelligence. Think those guys don't love them some USA?

[egressingsparrowdrop]

13. Why should I consider them?

Consider them in relation to what?

Do you know what the OP is referring to, or care to hazard a guess? I'm beginning to think that her lack of response, and the inability of anyone else to explain it, means it was just empty rhetoric.

[blindpig]

22. Hardly empty rhetoric

The US does not want regime change, Mubarak is one of the best toadies around and Egypt is a very strategic asset. Therefore if not him then someone as likely to follow US dictates, like say the head of military intelligence. The US wants no real change in Egypt, thus the mealy-mouthed response, crossing their fingers and hoping some of it's 'assets' are left standing when the dust clears.

[egressingsparrowdrop]

23. They're not telling Mubarek to leave, now. But...

...if they did, how would that be received? I would be disgusted, myself, to see the US saying that. Trying to stick the old superpower nose in, telling people what to do, just lovely. I'm amazed anyone here supports that.

In Obama's words "there must be reform -- political, social, and economic reforms that meet the aspirations of the Egyptian people."

"ultimately the future of Egypt will be determined by the Egyptian people. And I believe that the Egyptian people want the same things that we all want -- a better life for ourselves and our children, and a government that is fair and just and responsive."

So, he's calling for democracy, in effect. But that's not good enough for some, apparently. He has to say the US wants Mubarek out, now, in true superpower form.

[blindpig]

25. He's been the US's tool all along....

sudden calls for democracy, with it's autocratic fixer in place, ring a bit hollow.

[dixiegrrrrl]

8. The U.S. is insisting that a transition to democracy in Egypt should be led by the Mubarak gov.

while the opposition in Egypt sees the departure of the present government as necessary for a democratic transition.


Hillary Clinton, YESTERDAY

"We do not want to send any message about backing forward or backing back," she said. "What we’re trying to do is to help clear the air so that those who remain in power, starting with President Mubarak,"

see this thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=439&topic_id=314821&mesg_id=314821

[egressingsparrowdrop]

11. Well, OK, but that's still not shedding light on what the OP was on about...

...if it is, can't say I agree.

The rest of that quote....
"We do not want to send any message about backing forward or backing back," she said. "What we’re trying to do is to help clear the air so that those who remain in power, starting with President Mubarak, with his new vice president, with the new prime minister, will begin a process of reaching out, of creating a dialogue that will bring in peaceful activists and representatives of civil society to, you know, plan a way forward that will meet the legitimate grievances of the Egyptian people."

doesn't indicate the US wants Mubarak to remain in power...just that as the person now in power they want him to reach out to the people and meet their grievances...

[dixiegrrrrl]

20. I apparently see it differently.

Nuff said.

[egressingsparrowdrop]

21. No idea what you're referring to.

nuff said, indeed.

[Catherina]

15. You know. A good solid democratic leader. Someone like Baby Doc Duvalier n/t

[egressingsparrowdrop]

18. Certainly cynicism has been well-earned by the US, but a thread like this...

...which makes some specific claims, leaving out only a name or actual details, that appears based upon nothing more than cynicism bred by the past is a pure waste of time.

[Catherina]

24. Then hide thread. For "a pure waste of time", you sure are spending a lot of time on it n/t

[egressingsparrowdrop]

28. hide thread? sounds like a bigger waste of time.

I look at it as an investment. If the OP recognizes they've wasted everyone's time with it perhaps they will think twice next time.

[sufrommich]

3. Calling for free elections is not "trying to put in place another

puppet". This is not the Bush Administration.

[barbiegeek]

5. Boo!! The WH just said they are trying to get our citizens out

we have 50,000 Americans there. Can they come home first.

[riverwalker]

10. maybe they should stay

and witness what a pure uncontaminated birth of a democracy looks like.

[barbiegeek]

12. That is not the point of this Opinion Piece above

[Catherina]

16. +1 n/t

[EFerrari]

29. There is no danger to American nationals. They can leave at their leisure

or stay as they see fit.

[Arkana]

17. Ahahahahahaha what?

[egressingsparrowdrop]

19. Would ElBaradei be a US puppet?

Is that who you're speaking of?

[Catherina]

26. Egypt agrees. Stay out of it and no trust for Obama (interview)

Interview with Hossam el-Hamalawy
Professor Mark LeVine interviews journalist and blogger Hossam el-Hamalawy on the situation in Egypt.

...

WHAT ABOUT the role of the U.S. in this conflict. How do people on the street view its positions?

MUBARAK IS the second-largest recipient of U.S. foreign aid after Israel. He's known to be America's thug in the region, one of the tools of American foreign policy and implementing its agenda of security for Israel and the smooth flow of oil, while keeping Palestinians in line.

So it's no secret that this dictatorship has enjoyed the backing of U.S. administrations since day one, even during Bush's phony pro-democracy rhetoric. So one should not be surprised by Hillary Clinton's ludicrous statements that were more or less defending the Mubarak regime, since one of the pillars of U.S. foreign policy was to keep regimes stable at expense of freedom and civil liberties.

We don't expect anything from Obama, whom we regard as a great hypocrite. But we hope and expect the American people--trade unions, professors' associations, student unions, activist groups--to come out in support of us.

...

The reality is that any really clean government that comes to power in the region will come into open conflict with the U.S. because it will call for radical redistribution of wealth and ending support for Israel or other dictatorships. So we don't expect any help from America--just to leave us alone.

http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/features/2011/01/201112792728200271.html

The whole interview is great

[jonnyblitz]

27. k & r. nt

[Catherina]

30. Tweet from Egypt. So are they. .#Obama

saifedean RT @saifedean:

Dear US government: We don't hate you because we hate your freedom; we hate you because you hate our freedom.
#jan25 #Mubarak #Obama #Egypt
half a minute ago via web

http://twitter.com/saifedean/statuses/32245030416547841

[maryf]

31. K&R nt