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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:42 PM
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I need a really really big hug!
And kittens, lots of fluffy kittens. And carbohydrates, preferable of the baked potato variety.

Good god, I had the worst weekend and need to vent.

I went to visit my father -- a man who left when I was an infant and I have seen exactly two times prior. During our first visit I had discovered he really liked guns and, as I left that day, he had attempted to press one on me. I strongly dislike guns, have no desire to own one and told him as much at the time, in as polite and neutral way as I could.

The second visit revealed he in fact not only liked guns, but had what can only be described as an arsenal of weapons. They were everywhere. In multiple huge safes, in the closets, in the garage, leaning in the corners of rooms, in trunks next to the bed, and loaded in a holster on the bed headboard. Still, I tried to get beyond my dislike of his weaponry and just try to connect with him as a person who was my father. I held onto the faint hope he was a a liberal who just really liked his guns -- hey, he had been a beatnik, listened to NPR, and liked Peta! We spoke a bit about politics and it quickly became clear we had different ideologies, with me being a liberal and he leaning GOPer/Libertarian/Bagger. During our political conversations I voiced my (slightly couched) views while remaining pleasant and nonjudgmental of his. At the end of the visit he, once again, he tried to get me to accept a gun as a means to protect myself in the neighborhood I lived in for 40+ years he deemed to be unsafe. (A neighborhood I adore, btw.)

Third visit was this weekend. And it went from pleasant to bad to worse.

I pretty studiously avoided politics for a while, but the revolution in Egypt came up from a newspaper article and a discussion began. Stupid, stupid me. Over the course of many hours I learned:

- blacks voted overwhelmingly for Obama because he was black and no other reason (I pointed out that they tended to vote "D" overwhelmingly every election but he brushed it off)
- our country was better off when each ethnic group had its own neighborhood, but the damned liberals wanted us to mix and that's when all the trouble started
- the reasoning ability of Arabs is so convoluted that Western doctors would consider them mentally ill
- Unions are a scourge filled with lazy bums who cheat and produce inferior workmanship
- liberalism is a sign of a weak mind
- the handyman who walked out on my Mom with a job half-finished must have not spoken English - when informed he did indeed speak English and was white, the next repsonse was he must have been a Union member
- Fox News is the only news organization worth anything

There were also numerous, oblique references to blacks and Mexicans being prone to criminality. And don't get him started on Unionized teachers. On those notes, I decided it was time to retire. He came into the bedroom I stayed in to share a few motorcycle gadgets he had for me, and, as I was unloading my overnight bag to get my jammies, he opened a footlocker next to the bed and began to retrieve an object.

The object was a Chinese submachine gun called a burp gun.

He unfolded the stock and began to show me the various parts and how it was held. At one point the muzzle briefly moved towards me. He then pointed the stock end towards me and tried to get me to hold the gun. I declined politely. He responded that he was just attempting to get me past my gun antipathy. I replied that I was very familiar with guns, had grown up with them in my family, and just was not interested in them. He tried to convince me of how much fun it was shooting them. Again, as polite as I could be under the circumstances, I said no thank you.

I did not sleep well that night, to say the least. Morning came and I stayed in bed as long as I could and decided to leave earlier then I had planned on.

I found him fixing breakfast. It was clear he had been stewing about the day/night before and was not pleased. He was cooler and quieter towards me. I decided to talk about the beautiful wildlife out the window, but he quickly resumed the conversation from the night before.

As he prepared breakfast and waved his spatula around I learned that the stockade, chain gangs, and forced prison labor out to be brought back (like some of that is not still with us??) Malaysia has it right -- drug dealers/addicts should just be killed, in fact it would be better if any repeat criminal should just be killed because they are a cancer that must be eradicated from society. Mexicans are being sent here to this country to breed so that they can repopulate CA/AZ/NM and return them to Mexican control. The problem with Mexico isn't our drug use or guns coming in from the US it is that there are not ENOUGH guns -- we need to export weapons to the average Mexican so they can take out the drug cartels, the police, and their government. There are thousands of patriotic Americans, including him, ready to take up arms against Washington right now because our country is in the greatest peril it has ever faced. Everything wrong with our country now, in fact, much of the world, is a direct result of Leftist/liberals/communists/Unions/environmenalists and that really needed to be taken care of. In fact, Evil had been ruining our country for far too long and it was past time that it be eradicated by force to create a better country. By this time his pancake were burning, he was ranting, and I was getting a bit freaked out.

And he ended with a lovely story about taking personal responsibility for creating a better country. It seems there was a young man in some town who was a repeat offender of some sort, would not straighten out, and was creating a whole lot of problems for his community. The father decided to take the matter into his own hands and killed him. My Dad agreed this was the right thing to do and should be done more often.

I had pretty much stopped talking entirely a few minutes into the whole thing. There was clearly no point in me saying anything all, except that it was time for me to go and thank him for the visit.

As I tried to go to sleep last night, all I could see was his face and hear his ranting.

Wanna hear the absolute KICKER from him?

All the hatefully rhetoric is coming strictly from liberals and the liberal media. They had taken the Tea Party and done a hachette job on it, demonized it, tried to make Patriotic Americans who simply wanted to save their country look like bigoted, dangerous, crazy people obssessed with guns.

No, Dad, you don't need the "liberal media" for that, you're doing a mighty fine job of that yourself.

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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:47 PM
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1. sounds like you need a couple of REALLLLLY stiff drinks. I take it your next visit won't be any
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 05:48 PM by niyad
time soon?

oh, before I forget (((((((()))))))))
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:54 PM
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10. Ah, if only I drank.....
I substitute fluffy, white, margerine-laden mashed potatoes for booze. :D

I was supposed to go see him in April for some back country motorcyle riding (we had arranged that after the second meeting), but I really need to some time to think if I want to do that. Thanks for the hug. :hi:
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:04 PM
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17. Margrarine? That stuff'll kill you
Come over and I'll make you some whipped with heavy cream. You can gorge yourself until you pop and collect a hug to boot.

Dad might be just a little too crazy to visit, IMO. He hasn't been a part of your life and you really don't need him to be. If he wakes up and realizes he's been had, it might be different in the future, just don't hold your breath waiting for it to happen.

At some point he's got to realize you're the enemy Glen told him all about and it will get much worse than you could ever imagine.

Politely decline. Stay alive.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:17 PM
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24. Mmmmmm....
OK, just this once! :9 When I kind of casually challenged him on the Moonie Times he had absolutely no idea the Rev. Moon was the owner -- he momentarily looked a bit taken aback. But, I have no intention of waiting around for him to figure his shit out. Yes, it might need to go back to Xmas cards from here on in. :hi:
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lapislzi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:33 PM
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63. Love me some warpy
It ain't mashed potatoes unless you've used at least half a stick of butter. If I'm going to go, I'm going to go eating the good stuff.

And you deserve a big hug :hug: for holding your tongue so well.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:00 PM
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96. I like my butter, too.
If I had my way I'd resemble that McButter family on the TV commercial -- a stick o' butter on everything. :D I limit my use for animal welfare reasons. If I had my own cow, baby it would be butter and cheese all day every day.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:49 PM
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2. I'd need surgery to repair my tongue after that...
disturbing, but one can't pick their parents.... All you can do is decide how to react to them and around them. I'm sure you are already looking for excuses to avoid the next "visit." Good luck.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:58 PM
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11. I was internally calculating my responses -
the entire time. It was exhausting. While it was happening I reminded myself of Jon Stewarts "Rally for Sanity" and his insistence that people were reasonable and thought, "Hey Jon, you try to reason with this one!" :D
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:51 PM
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3. Sorry to hear about your experience.
How old is he? Sounds like he may be experiencing the paranoia that often arrives before Dementia.

I spoke to a friend this weekend and her father (69 and a retired M.D.) now believes in aliens and spends all of his time on the internet reading about their secret infiltration into our culture. She feels he has joined a cult.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:01 PM
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14. He's 78 -
I thought about that -- I just have no real history with him, no way of knowing if this is a new development or if this is just who he is. :shrug: Interesting, he does not have a computer and his media outlets are FOX, the print version of The Washington Times, and the print version of "Judicial Watch". God forbid he should discover the Internet! :scared:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:41 PM
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39. Does he have any other family around him on a regular basis?
He needs to be watched.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:03 PM
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97. No, Zero family around.
He speaks with a brother and a cousin who are both out of state, but I do not know them at all to ask them if this is normal for him.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:53 PM
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67. It's no wonder your dad believes what he does.
If he's only reading and listening to propaganda, then his response is rational in the crazy right-wing universe.

Best wishes going forward. I have right-wing relatives, too. Including my only sibling. Mom must have slept on the wrong side of the bed or something. We love each other, but it's tough because like your dad he gets all his 'news' from Fox.

So I understand what you must be going through. Good luck.

sd
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:27 AM
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77. My 1/2 brother was in town over the weekend and I just avoided that altogether.
Edited on Tue Feb-01-11 12:27 AM by lonestarnot
Mixed emotions over that. I am sorry about your trying to have a dad/child relationship with that silly old man. Sometimes it just can't happen. He will never change. I'm sorry. :( oh and :hug: :grouphug:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:07 PM
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98. Wow. As I saud below -
I just don't know how you guys with close family members do it. :hug:

Yes, "rational" when your world has been created by FOX. :( A pox on Rupert Murdock and his bastard spawn for damaging so many vulnerable people. :mad:
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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 02:04 AM
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80. I agree--That paranoia can be an early sign of dementia
especially the obsessing about one subject, which in his case is obviously guns.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 10:53 AM
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90. Yeah, but it's also a sign of conservatism.
I know any number of much younger people with exactly the same attitude.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:14 PM
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99. From what my Mom has said --
He has always been into guns, and had a loaded one around the house when she lived with him. I think in his case extreme love of guns+FOX+old age+fear have created a bad situation. His writing is clear and well thought out, but I'm not sure what that says at this point.
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:51 PM
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4. Holy Crap
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:03 PM
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16. OK, you made me laugh with that.
:D That's just about how I felt -- I have expected to be hauled out to the backyard and shot for being a liberal/environmentalist/Union lover!
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:30 AM
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94. Trust me the occupiers of the nest of republicans I live with are
planning the erection, come spring-time, of a wall for my execution.

As the caretaker of my 94 yr. old still voting politically delusional mother, I have learned one major point: you can't fix old. I applaud you for keeping your cool. I, OTOH, don't and it's costing me. I hope to escape in the spring with the thoughts that I gave my best efforts while at the same time leaving to keep my sanity.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:17 PM
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101. "...you can't fix old."
So true, so true. As sad as it is to say, I hope most of the attitudes like this just pass away from us with the death of those older generations.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:25 PM
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103. Sadly, me too. Unfortunately, it's not just my mother who is infected
with this mind-set. My twin sister and her republican state senator husband and their offspring flank my mother's generation here in a red belt. THAT is another reason for me to leave. I'm so out numbered and THE minute they hear substantiated truths they get loud and either change the subject or leave the area. Of course, I let them know that they're lazy in the thinking department. Not good....on my part, I know.
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villager Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:51 PM
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5. You can't have "bipartisanship" with people this rage-filled, and so entirely stuck in denial
They need clinical help, not caving Democrats.

Sorry your visit was so rough -- glad you got out when you did...
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:07 PM
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18. It was if his mind and been rusted shut --
around 1973. Of course, the New Black Panthers, Acorn, and Welfare Queens also made their appearances. :eyes:

It just really confirmed much of what I have felt/read about Baggers/Wingers -- they are completely fear based, operating out of a very old part of their brain.
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:52 PM
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6. So so sorry
that you had to deal with that. Unfortunately you can't pick your relatives. I guess you need to decide how much of a relationship you want to have with him.

You got along without him before you met him; you can get along without him now. I think those are lyrics to some song from the 60s, but somewho they popped into my head when I was reading your OP.

Good luck and :hug:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:09 PM
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19. Thanks, Mz. Pip!
Yes, I got along without him just fine for 49 years. :hug:

I must say I took a great deal of adolescent pleasure in telling him I had multiple tattoos after he announced they were a desecration of the human body. :D
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:53 PM
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7. I think it is a brain wiring thing
that you cannot do anything about.

I have known people like that to get worse with age.

I just hope that he just talks and does not act.


:hug:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:20 PM
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27. I agree.
Recent brain studies were showing exactly that -- liberals and conservatives are wired differantly. I am just thankful I was wired the way I am.

I, too, hope it is just a bunch of talk from an frightened old man.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:54 PM
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8. I would question why you feel a need to reconnect with him
I don't see a point. There's really no place to go with this relationship and he also sounds kinda scary. Just because he's blood, it doesn't mean he needs to be a part of your adult life. You tried.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:25 PM
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32. I have very, very little family.
One sister, no real uncles/aunts/cousin - he has a huge family and a son that I have never met. I was hoping it would be an opportunity to add to my tiny tribe, but it's not looking so good now. There is one 2nd cousin on his side down in AZ who showed up on "What Would You Do?" chewing out fake AZ cops who were trying to get papers from a couple of Latino looking plants. She sounds promising!
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:54 PM
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9. Here's a kitten.


Your father sounds like a complete loon, I'm sorry to say. But if you've seen him only a few times I guess you won't miss him if you don't see him again. It's really disturbing, though, that there are so many people who think the way he does -- gun nuts who hate the government and anybody who isn't a white Christian. He sounds like he is the archetypal Freeper/Teabagger. Run away. You don't need that kind of aggravation in your life.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:30 PM
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34. Aaaaaaaa......
Big sigh. I'm feeling better already. :) Thanks! I really, really don't understand these folks, truly I don't, but then, I am sure he is just as mystified by me. I just hope that type goes the way of the Dodo.
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 05:58 PM
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12. Your dad and my mom would hit it off just fine.
I am so sorry that you had to subject yourself to that. I don't know how old you are but I am 53 and it never changes. It never gets easier. Relax, be kind to yourself. Wash your minds eye out and rejoice that you are who you are! Peace, Kim
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:36 PM
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37. Yes, "mind bleach" is in order.
I am 50 and ever so thankful my parents divorced before I had to spend much time with him. :scared: I don't know how you folks who have family like that cope, I really don't. :hug:

He is looking for a girlfriend, I can pass long her number! :P
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peace13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 11:02 PM
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74. I'm gonna save you that misery! : )
Too funny!
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:00 PM
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13. Aw gee
you do need a BIG one :hug:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:37 PM
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38. Thank you!
I am feelin' the love. :hug:
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:02 PM
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15. We are in a lot worse trouble than anyone realizes.
No one will touch these loonies until after they kill. And it will be attributed to the individual and not the party.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:13 PM
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21. Interestingly, my Mom -
does not want me to go up to see him again, and several of my friends told me not to see him alone. I might be able to handle the cray-cray talk without a house loaded to the gills with guns, but the two together is a bit more than I can handle.

I often ask this: at what point does this type of behavior/idealogy reveal itself to be part of mental illness?
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luvspeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:24 PM
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30. THE PART YOU JUST DESCRIBED...
please do not go back. meet him on neutral territory if you must, but not at his house. LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO LOVE YOU!
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:32 PM
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36. I agree.
Thanks for the affirmation. :hi:
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:06 AM
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83. Any parent who advocates a father killing a son is to be avoided.
He really does sound dangerous to me, sad to say. I hope he has some sane neighbors or relatives to keep an eye on him and alert authorioties or mental health professionals if he is taking a turn for the worse, before he hurts someone.
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 11:24 PM
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125. he wasnt much of a father and not around for you when young so you should have no guilt
on not being much of a daughter and not being around for him now.
Being old doesnt get you an automatic all is forgiven/Ok now card ...
and remember
Your Mom knows best!
Any fantasy of bonding now will be eroded further as it gets weirder down the line so you have to know when to hold them and know when to fold them as Kenny Rodgers said. Poker game or life it is true

I had family issues and I think the rational side of my brain helped me with reasoning that I do not regret any disconnects I made now years later.
No guilt here & I dont hate anyone- just stay away from them or a couple have gone now.

Mental illness or not how much do you want this to be part of your memories and he doesnt sound like he would seek help anyway.

The disconnects were for MY mental health I did not worry about others

I had no problem as a child that if you didnt play right I took all my toys and went home.
It took me a while to understand that bloodlines shouldnt stop all that from happening as an adult but it is hard when it is close family and you have been part of a dysfunctional family and 'assigned' a role.
I saw the same role being passed on to a nephew of mine too and couldnt be part of the legacy and had family of my own now I did not want to have impacted or witnessing crap. Better have none(family) than some.
You are lucky that your mom divorced and saved you a lifetime of memories of this dude. Spend more time with mom if you feel any guilt about ditching dad.
I had a close friend that had already done this with their family so good role model for me!!
We are both happy with no regrets just kittens puppies and sunshine in our lives!!! Hug to you
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:13 PM
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20. Aw, that's rough.
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 06:13 PM by Gregorian
Whether it's family or nation, we're all dealing with this. But family must be horrible. Coming from a rather liberal family, I can say how nice it is to have similar political traits.

So sorry about that. But look on the bright side. You could have been like that too. And you aren't. Congratulations. Ugh.


Hey, I just realized ugh and hug are quite similar. Have an ugh hug. :)
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:46 PM
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40. I am spoiled rotten.
I have liberal family, friends, co-workers and live in SF. Coming back over the Bay Bridge was EXTRA special this time. :)

I'll take a ugh as long a you are giving them out. :hug:
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luvspeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:14 PM
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22. My kitten and I BOTH hug you, BUT...PLEASE READ
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 06:22 PM by luvspeas
You are a reasonable, intelligent grown up person. Just because this dude donated some sperm to your existence does NOT mean you are connected, obligated, or responsible for him in any way shape or form. Live your life, know you are loved, and that you are the better person. Being the better person means you understand that you cannot change your father, and are not responsible for changing your father. Let him be and don't give into him. He is being abusive and manipulative and can see that he is hurting you with his actions. Please do not react-just walk away and don't let it bother you. I promise you this will do more to change him and you than anything else you can say or do. I know, I've been through something very similar myself. HUGS and KITTEN HUGS!!!!

I had to edit this because I just read your post saying that people have warned you not to go to his house BIG RED FLAG!!!!!!!BIG RED FLAG!!!! Please do not go back. I think this guy is yanking your chain and you are in his radar and actually because he is your father he may feel he has some ownership over you. Please don't go to his house again. If you do he will escalate, and if you maintain the high ground, it will infuriate him. I am serious.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:52 PM
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43. Thanks for the insight.
I did find it interesting the less I responded to him the wilder the rant got. I kept telling myself his is an old, angry man whose words were not directed at me specifically but at "liberals" - whoever, whatever that was to him, but it sure felt differantly. Sorry to hear you have been through something like this as well.
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:16 PM
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23. HHNF,
:hug::hug::hug:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:53 PM
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44. Thank you!
Right back attcha - :hug:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:00 PM
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68. You are very welcome! Be glad you don't have my blood father.
I had only seen him maybe 7 times in my life, after age 6, and was really excited to go spend time with him in 1996 at age 38. He's a total pervert, he wanted to 'sleep' with me. :puke:

He's a huge teabagger type, carries a gun everywhere (FLA), and is an abusive retired military control freak. :puke:

I understand your disappointment and frustration very well. :hug:

Hang in there! It could always be worse! :) :hi:
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 06:07 PM
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119. ewwwwwwwwwwww!
Goodness gracious, how horrible. It must have been such an awful experience to have him suggest that--but thank goodness you didn't have to deal with him often after you were six. How horrific it would have been to grow up with him. But what a terrible disappointment to have been excited about seeing him and then hearing that from him. I'm sorry. :hug:
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Mnemosyne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 12:22 AM
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124. It was seriously disgusting. Unfortunately, he did his damage
Edited on Wed Feb-02-11 12:23 AM by Mnemosyne
before I was six and I have a h-sister that grew up under his control.:cry:

Thanks for the :hug:, I always need one after thinking about him. Back at ya' :hug:
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:18 PM
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25. Omg. I'm so sorry you went through that.
:hug:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:55 PM
Original message
Thanks --
I am soooooo happy to be back in SF, I can't tell you.
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RegieRocker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:20 PM
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26. You handled this wrong
one must find common ground and it is apparent, if you didn't have such a phobia about guns, it could have been a good way to connect with him. It could have been possible to turn him around on some points. Not all democrats dislike guns and he needs to know that. As for Union workers, he is talking out his arse. Bring over a Iron Worker or a Carpenter etc. and let him tell them about their inferior workmanship. They will set him straight. It's really your choice if you want to give up on him or not.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:59 PM
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48. I have no phobia about firearms.
As I mentioned, I grew up with them, I have handled them. I just do not like them and feel no need to apologize for that or accomodate my father's inability to respect my feelings on the issue.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:30 PM
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62. Or she could have shot up his television...
his cable or satellite box, and then looked him over carefully with really crazy eyes as she backed out of his house saying, "Thanks for the guns dad. I'll be back for the rest... whenever. Heh, heh, heh..."

Of course my mom would have just got really annoyed, taken the gun offered, and shot him dead. She's always been sort of reckless that way.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:27 PM
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104. HA! I did think about that later.
Taking the offered gun, pointing directly at him, while exclaiming, "Like this, Dad!"
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:38 PM
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64. What? Who are you to say she handled it wrong?????
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 07:39 PM by DURHAM D
You have apparently assumed her dad is mentally balanced. Care to share your evidence.

You also failed to note that the OP does not have a phobia about guns.



judge much?
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:22 PM
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28. Wow ... hate to say it, but you may want to severely limit your contact
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 06:22 PM by JoePhilly
...

I know that sounds harsh ... and maybe it is ...

But pretend this person is not your father but a person who you barely knew.

How much time and effort would you spend trying to bridge differences with a stranger who had displayed such views?

From what you have said, your father is basically a stranger ... except for the "father" part.

Emotionally, the desire to build a connection with him must be very strong. And the desire to "help him" get past his hate is probably also very strong.

But it is unlikely to work.

Do you sense that HE would be willing to work TOWARDS your positions in anyway? Is HE likely to work as hard as you want to bridge these gaps.

My sense, from you post, is ... no. He is who he is. And he is not changing. And as he learns about YOUR positions, this relationship will go down hill.

Your situation sucks. And there is little you can do.

So my advice will likely also suck.

If you feel the need to spend time with him, try to include other people as much as possible because that will expand the scope of discussion and allow you to remain silent when the need exists.

Obviously, avoid politics ... try to ensure that when you see him, maybe you watch a movie with no political elements.

I'm guessing he is retired and does not work ... try to get him to care about your job. Or your kids. Or anything that is not GUNS or politics.

If all else fails ... avoid him by being so "productive" that he has to understand.


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luvspeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:27 PM
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33. you are absolutely right n/t
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:26 PM
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60. "...pretend this person is not your father ..."
A lot of good food for thought you have given me.

I would be perfectly happy with a relationship based on mutual respect for our differences -- I have that kind of relationship with other folks who do not share my political views -- we are not incredibly close, but enough to spend time with each other and enjoy each others company.

This now feels borderline dangerous to me, especially the situation at his house.

LOTS to think about.

Thank you - :hug:
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 08:46 PM
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69. Thanks for taking my comments the way you did ...
I was very conflicted about saying much of what I said because you are clearly in a terrible situation and none of us here in blogland can know exactly what you face or what you should do.

My own father was verbally abusive on a regular basis, and at times physically abusive as well. My parents separated when I was in my late teens, and I STAYED with my father because I wanted to "help him".

The issues were not right versus left ... but his anger also bordered on the dangerous. He, on a more than one occasion, said he'd kill us all, and himself.

I'd started to tell my mother to leave him when I was about 17. She left (taking my younger sister) when I was 19, and I stayed until I was 20 trying to "talk him down".

During that same year, he died in a car accident.

I will never know if I could have helped him. But I do know that, sadly, his death stopped so much of the pain that my mother and my sister (and I) endured.

Not that his death did not bring its own set of pain for all of us, it did. Questions of "what if" and so forth. But he was no longer ADDING to the pain. And the threat ended too.

I wish he did not die in that car accident. I wish I could have helped him accept his life and his family. I wish he got to know my wife and my kids. See how wonderful and happy they are. Wish, wish wish.

But ... I also know that his issues ran very deep, and if he had lived, the dream world I wish for probably would not have been. And the potential that he would have turned violent is not out of the question.

If you sense the potential for violence, don't ignore it.

You may also want to consider the potential that there is some mental illness at work. My own father had been diagnosed as manic depressive with schizophrenic tendencies when I was a teen. His world view deteriorated over time. And to disagree with him, even on small things, could be seen as your having "turned" on him. Basically you became a threat to him. Not a good place to be.

Anyway ... good luck.

Pay attention to your feelings. If you sense danger, even a little, believe it and withdraw.

:hug:
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:24 PM
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29. hugs
and kittens

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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:56 PM
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46. OMG!!!!!
Ok, that is almost TOO much! :D I need to touch their bellies so bad. Thanks! :hi:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:25 PM
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31. BIg Hug! Lots of fluffy kittens! I ate the baked potato. nt
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:01 PM
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50. GATELEEEEEEYYYYYYYYY!!!!!
(Doing my best Stephen Colbert imitation.)

OK, I'll take the hugs and kittens. Was the tater tasty? :hug:
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:10 PM
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55. They always are! You've got the better deal - potatoes don't purr. nt
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NotThisTime Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:31 PM
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35. Why do you keep going back? I wouldn't even attempt it, been there done that...
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:05 PM
Response to Reply #35
51. Well, this was trip #3 --
and there was a 25 year gap between trip #1 and #2, so I didn't quite know what I was getting into.

A trip #4 is still to be determined. I just really, really have to think about it because it had been so important to me.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:29 PM
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113. As lots of folks are telling you, keep a distance from him. In fact, I'd put him in the "toxic"
category, whether he's a blood relation or not. Life is wa-a-a-a-y too short. Aging dementia, mental illness or Alzheimers, anger, and guns are not a good combination. The tea-baggery is icing on the cake. I wouldn't last 5 minutes. Best wishes as you surround yourself with folks finding the good in life (while still able to read, learn and engage in some good DU conversations! :thumbsup:)!
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diane in sf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:43 PM
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115. Going to his funeral might be good for trip #4, until then there's the phone,
While I'm dishing out advice, don't eat margarine, poly-unsaturated fat consumption it is associated with high rates of cancer and heart disease--just enjoy your butter on that potato!

I hope you are happy and safe with whatever you do.
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lunasun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-02-11 11:32 PM
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126. Excellent plan for trip #4!!!
the phone can be way too toxic
if you must - write letters back and forth if you insist on keeping contact
look what #3 did for you not worth it .......and trip #4 as Diogenes( I think said) speak no ill of the dead ...it will be over then nothing to say or worry about
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rox63 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:47 PM
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41. That sounds like a really scary experience
:hug:

I know you said that you have a small tribe. But I don't think adding him to your tribe would be safe or healthy.

You can build a family of choice, made of friends and loved ones who aren't necessarily blood relatives. My own remaining family is very small. (Mom and 1 brother) But I have a lot of very dear friends that take the place of a big loving family for me.

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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:08 PM
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53. Thank you --
I do have some very, very good friends who are now "family", and I need to maximinze that tribe, certainly. :hug:
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democrank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:48 PM
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42. Do yourself a giant favor.
Stay home next time. Put on your favorite slippers.Grab a good book. Think of 10 things that are uplifting. Pat yourself on the back. Bake a potato.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:09 PM
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54. Sounds like a plan!
Throw a couple of laps cats in the mix and I am all set. :hi:
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:55 PM
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45. The father decided to take the matter into his own hands and killed him.
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 06:56 PM by Generic Other
why did he tell you this story? A veiled warning? I think I'd just limit my contact to birthday and xmas cards from now on.

:hug:
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:12 PM
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56. That is the bit --
that really had me reaching for my purse. The story came out of left (pardon this) field and it felt incredibly personal, whether that was the intention or not. :scared:
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:49 AM
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79. Yeah, that's the part of the story that had me going ........... oh.....kay......


I would have also taken it as a veiled threat.

What bothers me most about this situation with your dad is that there are so many lonely seniors out there, unable or unwilling to connect socially with other human beings. They are very vulnerable and impressionable, almost worse than children in that respect.

We used to have to worry about them being scammed by TV preachers and unscrupulous "home repair" folks. Now we have to worry that the poison spewing from Fox news is turning them into dangerous, toxic, anti-social paranoids. It's too late for many, like your dad. This is what hours in front of that propaganda does.

I am going to go throw a baked potato in the microwave in your honor, and go pet the kittehs and thank goodness my dad is, for the most part, a liberal. A sometimes angry italian liberal, but more often than not we agree on politics and I'm usually the one getting angry when we discuss politics. lol

:grouphug:


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PatSeg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 08:45 PM
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122. Please don't go back
I know this guy and he's not going to get better. If anything, he'll get worse and could become dangerous. You can't help him, but he can hurt you. It took me many years to give up on the guy much like your father, you can save yourself a lot of heartache by staying away from him now. If you feel you must have contact, do it via mail or email, but not in person.

I'm so sorry you had to go through all that. I've heard such rants many times and it is soul-sucking.

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catrose Donating Member (591 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 04:58 PM
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118. Why so much contact?
Why associate at all with someone who threatens you?
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 06:58 PM
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47. Not often I'm left speechless
(((((HUG)))))
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:14 PM
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57. You and me BOTH!
I'm a big talker. I was left pretty much going, "Uh...uh...uh..."
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:57 PM
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71. Anorher one for you

((((HUG))))

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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:00 PM
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49. NO 4th visit Hell-Hath! No No No
The story about the man who killed his repeat criminal kid is a BIG RED FLAG!

You say you just got a great job offer on the other side of the country.

Say your joining a religious order. Say you have a communicable disease.

Have someone call and say you were arrested and extradited to a state...on the other side of the country!
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:18 PM
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59. He's 3 hours away --
Edited on Mon Jan-31-11 07:19 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
so it isn't as if we'd bump into each other easily. He rarely leaved his town and I never get up to his area, so avoiding him entirely is easily achievable. Yes, to the red flag -- that jumped out at me as well.
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Mojeoux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:05 PM
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52. Oh yes! Hugs and cute baby animals to you!
One of my best friends lives in the country. In the field next to her property 6 baby lambs were born on Sunday and they've been romping and jumping and playing with each other just as cute as can be!
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:15 PM
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58. Oh, that remineded me of that great -
video of the lamb playing in the hallway of a house! :loveya: Thank you for that.
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Curmudgeoness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:30 PM
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61. Hugs and purrs to you. Please don't look for any further
relationship. It isn't worth it. Sperm-donor, just think of him as a sperm-donor.

I can relate to the "fateful rhetoric...from the liberals". There was a LTTE in our paper the other day defending Palin and saying that no conservative would ever treat a woman that way. Uh, I guess this letter writer doesn't consider Hillary or Pelosi women. Oh, I get it, they are just telling the truth about "those" evil women! Amazing how no one looks in the mirror.
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 02:46 AM
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82. Go on youtube and look at the comments attached to any video that features a liberal
woman. The ones from conservatives always talk about how she should be "raped". They are sick, nasty would be criminal lowlifes, imho.
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WinkyDink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:40 PM
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65. That "father killing son" little anecdote is revealing.
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 07:40 PM
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66. I'm sorry. Don't go back.
You might want to discretely inform his local police that he's got an arsenal in there before he hurts himself or others. Worse, old guys are easy targets for someone who wants to steal guns.
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 09:46 PM
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70. I find it strange
that he thought it was okay to come in to your bedroom as you were getting ready to go to bed. A man that you have met or been with a total of 3 times? Not good. He has no boundaries, and you need better ones.
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anAustralianobserver Donating Member (440 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:26 PM
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72. Wow he's a case study in the effectiveness of US RW propaganda.
It comes down to fear/xenophobia which has taken over a big part of his psyche. Ultimately he can't blame FOX etc. though - he has to face his own fears and delusions. You probably helped him more than you realised without saying much.

I think your attitude here is perfect: "{I} feel no need to apologize for... or accomodate my father's inability to respect my feelings..."

You'll have to be honest and assertive in any contact you have with him (not about what you see in him or what you believe - but about whether you want to meet with him, where, for how long etc.).

and I agree; if he crosses boundaries in neutral territory eg the phone, he will only be more abusive in situations where he has more control :| ie project his self-hate and fears onto you.
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cally Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 10:38 PM
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73. I'm so sorry about this
Here's a :hug: and an offer of anything I can do to help. I agree with some of the others. From what you posted, he seems somewhat dangerous. Maybe there is a way to meet his son (your half-brother) without having him there so you could connect to this side of your family.

On a side note: I went to visit a friend in Reno who is a former army ranger. He took us to a large sporting good store and I spent about an hour just fascinated by the guns. I had never seen all the types for sale and all the paraphernalia. The SF Bay Area just doesn't have much of this as part of our culture.
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roguevalley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-31-11 11:46 PM
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75. hugs, honey. Remember, you don't have to like someone just
because you are related. You can love someone for a lot of reasons but you don't have to like them. Your dad was a coward to leave you and he's living a fear based life. I am sorry this happened to you and you deserve better. Remember that always. HUGS!
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onestepforward Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:20 AM
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76. Big hugs for you!
Edited on Tue Feb-01-11 12:41 AM by onestepforward
Yuck. What a nightmare.

:hug:

(added: yummy baked potato!)

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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:36 AM
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78. ((HUGS))
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Lorien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 02:41 AM
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81. So sorry
Here's some of my foster kittens from over the years:










More and more I find that a hallmark of conservatives is their knee jerk projection of all of their faults onto others. If they fantasize about killing people, they think that everyone else is doing the same. If they are rapists, they'll point a finger and accuse others of doing what they have done. It's scary to be around them for any amount of time. You lasted longer than I would have! :hug:
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 05:25 AM
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84. First set up a video camera
Then put LSD in his coffee. Show the authorities his gun collection and the video. Next sell the video on Ebay.
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 06:06 AM
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86. ^ Shame on you. That's all. ^ n/t
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Mimosa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 06:05 AM
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85. How old is your father?
Edited on Tue Feb-01-11 06:13 AM by Mimosa
Is he relatively isolated? Lonely?

He's obviously listened to Limbaugh, Levine, Glenn Beck and Fox news. He believes what he hears. He may read right wing internet sites.

I think he may have incipient senile dementia. That's something to watch out for. I'm concerned about him being in possession of guns, except for self defense. :(

Hell Hath No Fury, on reading more on this thread, I don't know what to say. I'm inclined to go along with anybody who says don't visit your father because of possible danger. Your own discomfort reinforces that. But isolation and loneliness may make his situation worse. Does he have ANY interests besides politics of the right wing sort and his guns?

I assume his weapons were legally obtained. Therefore at this point nobody can take them from him.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 09:58 AM
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87. ((((((BIG HUG)))))))
:hug:
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 10:17 AM
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88. I found a long lost brother a few years ago who turned out to be very right wing
I decided to leave him behind. It was kind of sad, because I am effectively an orphan, but life is just too short to listen to that crap.
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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:33 PM
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106. Yes...too short.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 10:52 AM
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89. Oh lord,
I know I'm not supposed to laugh. (((((((((hugs)))))))) You're probably aching from all the involuntary wincing you did during his speeches. Let me take this opportunity to say, thank god you're you, exactly the way you are. Something went badly wrong for your Dad and it shows.
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GoCubsGo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 10:59 AM
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91. Your father sounds like the average citizen in my town.
A huge, sympathetic hug for you, as I'm surrounded by people like him. You father doesn't live in South Carolina, does he?
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Uncle Joe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:02 AM
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92. Peace to you, Hell Hath No Fury.
:hug:
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:02 AM
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93. I'm sorry, but this guy sounds like a dangerous nut.
Shared DNA doesn't mean you have to play "family." I'd avoid him.
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LiberalEsto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 11:35 AM
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95. Dear HHNF, I can understand the urge to seek out
an absentee parent.
It's a normal human urge.
Inside most of us there is a little kid wanting a loving Mommy and Daddy.
Unfortunately that doesn't always happen in real life, and it leaves a huge aching hole in people's hearts.
It was perfectly reasonable on your part to want to connect, and hope there was a loving daddy somewhere in there. It's devastating to find out an individual is not capable of being a loving parent.
You've had a bad blow from realizing this, and I feel for you.
Luckily you have a healthy human survival instinct guiding you, and you've seen and heard enough to trust your instinct and steer way clear of him from now on.


:hug:
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Kadie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:14 PM
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100. ((HUGS)) and kittens
:hug:












:hug:


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Thunderstruck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:18 PM
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102. He's been thoroughly indoctrinated by the right wingnuts. Best to stay away from him because
he thinks people like you should be eradicated, shot on sight even.

Sucks it's your father. So, here's a kitten...

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NoSheep Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:29 PM
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105. Bless your heart...I feel your pain. I had to divorce my father.
:hug:
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Blecht Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:42 PM
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107. This is more prevalent than a lot of people know
People like your father are the last line of defense for the corrupt kleptocracy that rules us. Any real reform that might take place in this country will come from the groups he's ready to kill. He and his fellow hateful bigots will be kept stewing until they are needed.
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dembotoz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:51 PM
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108. sometimes it IS better when one of the parents is not involved
the best hug i could give you is the knowledge that you did not have to spend your entire life putting up with him.

Age old question--did you ever wonder what the hell your parents saw in each other???
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 12:56 PM
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109. You do need a big hug! He's brainwashed and out of your hands.
Edited on Tue Feb-01-11 12:56 PM by goforit
He needs to go to a deprogramming camp.
If there ever is one.
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butterfly77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 01:22 PM
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110. Did you no think about this part...
"It seems there was a young man in some town who was a repeat offender of some sort, would not straighten out, and was creating a whole lot of problems for his community. The father decided to take the matter into his own hands and killed him. My Dad agreed this was the right thing to do and should be done more often." Don't go back! or meet on neutral ground like,a police station...
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 02:52 PM
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111. My God.... some people are just so far gone.
Sorry that was so rough on you.

I might have been tempted to accept any number of guns from him, then next visit told him that they made great gifts to your liberal friends.

I'm sure he'd react irrationally though.


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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:07 PM
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112. I feel sorry for you, HHNF
Next time you see your dad, you may have to set some ground rules. It's great that you tried.

How are you otherwise, by the way?

I have the means to produce some kitties for you in about two months, but I don't really want to do that.

On the other hand, I have three two-year-old males who answer to the names Swashbuckler, Pancho and Robin Hood.

Here's a couple of them (and others) taken the day they were born with their mother, the reformed feral Spitfire. As you see, she's a very protective of them.


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handmade34 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 03:42 PM
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114. for you
:hug:
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cate94 Donating Member (573 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 04:21 PM
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116. I'm sorry you went through that.
Why would you even contemplate another visit?

While it doesn't matter that he likes guns and it doesn't matter that he spouts right wing crap, he made it clear that he is not safe to be around. He was making a not so veiled threat when he related the story about the father who killed his son. He is abusive. You were right to be uneasy.

You deserve better.
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demigoddess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 04:38 PM
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117. I had a parent like that.
Maybe you should keep in contact, but from a distance. He could be in the beginning stages of Alzheimer's or if he fought in a war he could have PTSD, or a mental illness. His actions are a lot of red flags. Send him lots of loving cards and letters but stay away from him. Please.
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renate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 06:13 PM
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120. I'm sorry
You might just need to grieve over the fact that he can't be part of your life. It doesn't sound safe for you, and it doesn't sound as if he's willing to meet you halfway, which is the very least a real parent should do for his child.

I mean that literally about letting yourself grieve, by the way. You wanted to at least have a friendly relationship with your father--an archetypal figure in everyone's life, no matter what their age is--and this guy is not at all what you were hoping for. It's a huge and profound loss. I'm really sorry. :hug:
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southernyankeebelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 06:18 PM
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121. I pray you aren't married or have kids. You don't want them around this crazy person. The
story about the man killing his son was scary. I wonder was he trying to tell you something? It seems you don't know him well and you don't say how old you are but if I were you I would cut the cord. Don't walk away from him, run away from him. I would call the FBI and let them know about the weapons he has stored around the house.
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lunatica Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-01-11 08:54 PM
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123. Here are some photos of interspecies love






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niyad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:06 AM
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127. and a great big, heartfelt, purring THANK YOU to all who posted those adorable kitten pics.
you all brought a great deal of joy, laughter and smiles today.
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mahina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-03-11 12:15 AM
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128. Big hugs
Some doors are better left closed.
Wishing you healing.
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