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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 09:37 PM Original message |
Re those "food shortages": The US planted less wheat last year than in any year since 1960 but one. |
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notadmblnd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
1. So does this mean that TPTB are going to intentionally cause shortages to run up prices? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. it means that the apocalyptic shadings on the news lately are hype. |
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girl gone mad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 09:55 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. They did the same thing w/ oil in 2007. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 09:59 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. and with food. remember the "rice shortage"? but world rice production has |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 10:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That is very interesting. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. it is commodity speculation by financial interests |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 10:40 PM Response to Reply #2 |
10. There have been very serious droughts, floods and fires all over the world in the last few months. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 01:17 AM Response to Reply #10 |
23. there are *always* serious droughts, floods & fires somewhere in the world. |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. ... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #28 |
33. Pakistan's flood were in 2010. It exported food in 2010. |
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FedUpWithIt All (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 03:32 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. That is not exactly how it works |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. here's the data: |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 10:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. No, it means that last year more farmers planted their acreage in corn rather than wheat. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 01:29 AM Response to Reply #12 |
24. The winter wheat here looks pretty good now |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-11-11 04:05 AM Response to Reply #12 |
39. actually, total acres planted were down. |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
5. yes, but wheat production is much higher than in 1960. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. really? yields are bigger than in 1960? do tell. |
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farmbo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 10:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. 2,208,391,000 US bushels produced in 2010...1,354,709,000 in 1960 |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 01:15 AM Response to Reply #11 |
22. you need to check your sarcasm detector. |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #11 |
38. Ummmmm....just an FYI.... |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 10:32 PM Response to Original message |
8. Food, speculative capital, multinational corporations = what could possibly go wrong? |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 10:35 PM Response to Original message |
9. k&r |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
13. There are hundreds of thousands of farmers being paid not to |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 11:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Actually that number is going down dramatically. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 11:17 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. Why on earth would you us food for fuel, it's insane, n/t |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 11:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
17. Oh, I agree, |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 11:51 PM Response to Reply #17 |
18. It may not be like this where you are but I have yet to ever |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 12:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
20. Oh, I know several quite liberal farmers, |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Feb-09-11 11:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
19. I inherited 160 acres recently. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 01:00 AM Response to Original message |
21. K/R |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 01:46 AM Response to Original message |
25. Overall, there are several factors driving prices |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 02:01 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. The main factor driving prices of inputs & food is financial speculation. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. I suppose that's similar to saying its "market dynamics" at work |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. no, it's not the same as saying "market dynamics" are at work. |
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bhikkhu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 08:57 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. I prefer farmer's markets anyway |
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Ghost Dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 03:52 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. What you say is true. But the nature and extent of the speculation |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
30. The larger problem is the Chinese wheat crop. n/t |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 01:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. the larger problem is our dishonest media. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Feb-10-11 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
35. But harvested 63% more than in 1960/61... |
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