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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 09:54 AM Original message |
We Have Four Weeks to Stop Obama from Cutting Social Security |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:02 AM Response to Original message |
1. Is raising the age of retirement 50 years from now really a huge deal breaker? |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:09 AM Response to Reply #1 |
4. A thriving economy should not force the elderly to work until death. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:11 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. A productive economy enables people to retire on their own retirement savings. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Many people already can't retire. Real wages have not grown in 30 years. |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:23 AM Response to Reply #5 |
15. Agreed... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:53 AM Response to Reply #15 |
33. We need to end all those Bush tax cut breaks. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:56 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Exactly. It's these deficit causing tax breaks that open the door for cuts to social programs |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Finally a sensible statement. nt |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #33 |
39. Agreed... |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 02:56 PM Response to Reply #33 |
97. . |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 02:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
92. and that golden age when most people could retire on their savings was....? |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
10. You are incredibly naive...caving in to the right wingers will... |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #10 |
45. If you look at the future Demographics you can't help but realize something |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #45 |
57. There is no need to change it now because it is in surplus... |
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rfranklin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:29 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. Here, take the pledge...you'll feel better if you do! |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #61 |
67. Let's send this to Obama! |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:42 AM Response to Reply #61 |
70. So you also support increasing FiCA taxes every year for the years you refuse to support |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:50 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Raising the limit on FICA taxes is not a cut, so yes, I definitely support it |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:00 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. What is the difference between means testing and not paying out what top earners have put in making |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:17 PM Response to Reply #76 |
80. Raising the FICA Cap is not means testing. An explanation: |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 02:49 PM Response to Reply #80 |
93. raising the cap past the original 90% of wages = ammo for the killers. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 02:51 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. They would get more, because they paid in more. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 02:54 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. giving them "more" in line with the additional payments they'd be making |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:34 AM Response to Reply #57 |
66. Raising the retirement age is a proposal for years past 2037. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:39 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Here is a complete list of the Bowles Simpson proposals: |
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jtuck004 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Or maybe we will figure out a way to make tents and soup kitchens available to more people. n/t |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #1 |
24. You speak like one who hasn't worked physical labor all of your life, |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #1 |
35. And maybe Martians will take over and the world will change as we know it - |
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SugarShack (979 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:04 PM Response to Reply #1 |
77. Why is it this is where we are forced to put our energies? You'd think Bush or Nixon was still prez |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 01:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
88. Honoring decades of work by allowing people to retire without poverty |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 01:49 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. Great comment, thanks for jumping in. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 02:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
91. maybe pigs will fly, too. the increase is stepped, it doesn't kick in all at once 50 years from now. |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
2. Mr. President, do you really want your Legacy to be the Democrat |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
6. Now the meme is going to be that Obama killed and destroyed Social Security? |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #6 |
8. President Obama has not come out strong against the fiscal commission |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:32 AM Response to Reply #8 |
19. Cut does not mean kill nor does it mean destroy. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:55 AM Response to Reply #19 |
34. I am sorry but you clearly do not understand Social Security. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:59 AM Original message |
Frankly I say raise them all now. |
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dkf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #34 |
41. Frankly I say raise them all now. |
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TBF (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:57 AM Response to Reply #19 |
37. Nope, no one is buying your right wing crap would be more accurate. nt |
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AlabamaLibrul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:59 AM Response to Reply #19 |
40. A deep enough cut, if not taken care of, will cause one to bleed to death |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:01 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Pure poetry |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:10 AM Response to Reply #6 |
46. He permitted the Republicans to set him up. There was no |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:13 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. Exactly. |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
3. "It's irresponsible to have blind faith in the President and... |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:15 AM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Best sentence in this article. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
11. He doesn't care if embracing the findings of his deficit commission would be disastrous. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #11 |
12. It's a long shot but if he gets the message he will lose the presidency if he cuts Social Security |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:20 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I absolutely agree that it's worth fighting for. |
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stevenleser (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
14. UnRec - Misguided piece and premise. Basic US Civics lesson, where do spending bills originate? nt |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:29 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Perhaps you are unaware that the President has considerable negotiating power as the head of the |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:33 AM Response to Reply #14 |
20. Please read this article |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
16. k&r |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
21. POTUS now has the power to eliminate mandatory spending? |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. No, he will embrace the Bowles Simpson plan along with Key Senate Dems in the debt ceiling debate |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
22. I hate to break it to you, |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:40 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Don't you get it? Obama is bent on betraying Democratic principles. |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:43 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Thank you for this comment |
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sellitman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:50 AM Response to Reply #27 |
30. Me too |
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daleanime (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. ???? |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:30 AM Response to Reply #25 |
62. Some things you may consider |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:45 AM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Instead of viewing this debate as an "attack on Obama," who you clearly support |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:35 PM Response to Reply #71 |
86. I was responding to #25 |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:56 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Ahh ok |
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Mortos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:42 AM Response to Reply #22 |
26. I really like you and your responses |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:28 AM Response to Reply #26 |
60. Thank you! |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:45 AM Response to Reply #22 |
28. So you're saying we should lay back and accept Social Security cuts for nothing in return? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:49 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. No, we'll get a lifting of the FICA cap in return |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 10:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Lifting a FICA cap in exchange for what? Lifting the debt ceiling? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:04 AM Response to Reply #31 |
43. No, we're going to have to take some form of benefit reduction |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:11 AM Response to Reply #43 |
47. Social Security does not have to be cut. It does not add to our deficit. Except for this year's |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #47 |
51. It certainly will add to the deficit in coming years |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:21 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. Yes, but those extra funds were paid in, regardless of the fact that they spent them |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #54 |
64. Even if all funds are paid back to SS from the general |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:52 AM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Yes. In 2037, SS can only pay 78% of benefits. I think raising the limit on FICA |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:15 AM Response to Reply #43 |
50. Have you seen Jan Schakowsky's plan for deficit reduction? No SS or Medicare cuts at all |
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Still a Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:17 AM Response to Reply #50 |
52. If she gets elected President with large congressional majorities |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:27 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. I just don't understand why Obama didn't acknowledge her idea or a more |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:33 AM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Because our big majority was not progressive |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:19 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I liked a lot of it and had issues with others |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:26 AM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Here is another good deficit reduction plan from EPI, Demos, & The Century Foundation |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 03:43 PM Response to Reply #22 |
99. It's not a chicken little "act" if the sky is really falling. |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:04 AM Response to Original message |
44. I don't think Obama is stupid enough to eradicate SS. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:12 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Let's hope you're right on that one. But he did put Bowles and Simpson has heads of the deficit |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:11 PM Response to Reply #48 |
78. OK, they "hate Social Security", but the question is... |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. I think Alan Simpson is pretty stoked about this...see his quote: |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. And one more thing. Pple like Simpson and Bowles are ideologically opposed to the idea |
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lovuian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
56. Political Suicide for Democrats....lets see if he does it |
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pipi_k (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:18 PM Response to Reply #56 |
81. Political suicide...exactly... |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:28 AM Response to Original message |
59. Why 4 weeks. He is still going to be president and he will have a |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:53 AM Response to Reply #59 |
75. Because that's when his state of the union will be. Let's set the tone right for 2011. |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:20 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. Okay, thanks for the heads up. |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:24 PM Response to Reply #83 |
85. Anytime! |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
63. "Chained CPI" - - - Here's how it works: |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:51 AM Response to Reply #63 |
73. Can't win for trying |
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Faryn Balyncd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 12:16 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. Inflation statistics should be grounded to reality...By de-coupling inflation statistics so that |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 05:48 PM Response to Reply #73 |
100. Thing is that folks at the bottom of the shit pile spend almost everything on subsistence |
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pinto (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 03:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
98. It's my (albeit limited) understanding that CPI excludes food / energy costs due to their volatility |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 11:35 AM Response to Original message |
68. recommended |
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VeryConfused (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
90. Has the President said he would cut Social Security? |
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jtown1123 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-21-10 02:52 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. Read these Two articles: |
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indepat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-22-10 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
101. Since any move to embrace the radical recommendations of his Deficit Commission's |
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