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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 06:54 PM
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What We Learn from WikiLeaks (denial from the media of what's in the cables)
Edited on Wed Dec-22-10 06:58 PM by JackRiddler
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http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=4215.


http://www.fair.org
Media Advisory

What We Learn From WikiLeaks
Media paint flattering picture of U.S. diplomacy


12/16/10

In U.S. elite media, the main revelation of the WikiLeaks diplomatic cables is that the U.S. government conducts its foreign policy in a largely admirable fashion.

Fareed Zakaria, Time (12/2/10):

The WikiLeaks documents, by contrast , show Washington pursuing privately pretty much the policies it has articulated publicly. Whether on Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan or North Korea, the cables confirm what we know to be U.S. foreign policy. And often this foreign policy is concerned with broader regional security, not narrow American interests. Ambassadors are not caught pushing other countries in order to make deals secretly to strengthen the U.S., but rather to solve festering problems.


David Sanger, New York Times (12/5/10):

While WikiLeaks made the trove available with the intention of exposing United States duplicity, what struck many readers was that American diplomacy looked rather impressive. The day-by-day record showed diplomats trying their hardest behind closed doors to defuse some of the world's thorniest conflicts, but also assembling a Plan B.


David Brooks, New York Times (11/30/10):

Despite the imaginings of people like Assange, the conversation revealed in the cables is not devious and nefarious. The private conversation is similar to the public conversation, except maybe more admirable.


New York Times editorial (11/30/10):

But what struck us, and reassured us, about the latest trove of classified documents released by WikiLeaks was the absence of any real skullduggery. After years of revelations about the Bush administration's abuses--including the use of torture and kidnappings--much of the Obama administration's diplomatic wheeling and dealing is appropriate and, at times, downright skillful.

Christopher Dickey and Andrew Bast, Newsweek (12/13/10):

One of the great ironies of the latest WikiLeaks dump, in fact, is that the industrial quantities of pilfered State Department documents actually show American diplomats doing their jobs the way diplomats should, and doing them very well indeed. When the cables detail corruption at the top of the Afghan government, the Saudi king's desire to be rid of the Iranian threat, the personality quirks of European leaders or the state of the Russian mafiacracy, the reporting is very much in line with what the press has already told the public. There's no big disconnect about the facts; no evidence--in the recent cables at least--that the United States government is trying to deceive the public or itself.


Bob Garfield, NPR's On the Media (12/3/10):

The stories so far have been revealing but unsurprising, it seems to me, and not especially indicting. It’s made me wonder whether WikiLeaks is a legitimate whistleblower in this case or just a looter. Has Julian Assange shed light here with the release of 253,000 cables or has he just smashed a very big store window?

Anne Applebaum, Washington Post (12/7/10):

By now, I think we have learned that Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has vast ambitions. Among them is the end of American government as we know it. On his website he describes the leaked U.S. diplomatic cables in dramatic and sinister terms, evoking the lost ideals of George Washington and claiming that they demonstrate a profound gap between the United States' "public persona and what it says behind closed doors." Alas, the cables don't live up to that promise. On the contrary--as others have noted--they show that U.S. diplomats pursue pretty much the same goals in private as they do in public, albeit using more caustic language.

These conclusions represent an extraordinarily narrow reading of the WikiLeaks cables, of which about 1,000 have been released (contrary to constant media claims that the website has already released 250,000 cables). Some of the more explosive revelations, unflattering to U.S. policymakers, have received less attention in U.S. corporate media. Among the revelations that, by any sensible reading, show U.S. diplomatic efforts of considerable concern:

--The U.S. attempted to prevent German authorities from acting on arrest warrants against 13 CIA officers who were instrumental in the abduction and subsequent torture of German citizen Khaled El-Masri (Scott Horton, Harpers.org, 11/29/10; New York Times, 12/9/10).

--The U.S. worked to obstruct Spanish government investigations into the killing of a Spanish journalist in Iraq by U.S. forces, the use of Spanish airfields for the CIA's "extraordinary rendition" program and torture of Spanish detainees at Guantánamo (El Pais, 12/2/10; Scott Horton, Harpers.org, 12/1/10).

--WikiLeaks coverage has often emphasized that Yemeni president Ali Abdullah Saleh reassured U.S. officials that he would claim U.S. military airstrikes in his country were the work of Yemeni forces. But as Justin Elliot pointed out (Salon, 12/7/10), the United States has long denied carrying out airstrikes in the country at all. The secret attacks have killed scores of civilians.

--According to the cables, U.S. Special Forces are actively conducting operations inside Pakistan, despite repeated government denials (Jeremy Scahill, Nation, 12/1/10).

--The U.S. ambassador to Honduras concluded that the 2009 removal of president Manuel Zelaya was indeed a coup, and that backers of this action provided no compelling evidence to support their legal claims (Robert Naiman, Just Foreign Policy, 11/29/10). Despite the conclusions reached in the cable, official U.S. statements remained ambiguous. If the Obama administration had reached the same conclusion in public as was made in the cable, the outcome of the coup might have been very different.

--The U.S. secured a secret agreement with Britain to allow U.S. bases on British soil to stockpile cluster bombs, circumventing a treaty signed by Britain. The U.S. also discouraged other countries from working to ban the weapons, which have devastating effects on civilian populations (Guardian, 12/1/10).

--The U.S. engaged in an array of tactics to undermine opposition to U.S. climate change policies, including bribes and surveillance (Guardian, 12/3/10).

--U.S. diplomats in Georgia were uncritical of that country's claims about Russian interference, a dispute that eventually led to a brief war (New York Times, 12/2/10). U.S. officials "appeared to set aside skepticism and embrace Georgian versions of important and disputed events....as the region slipped toward war, sources outside the Georgian government were played down or not included in important cables. Official Georgian versions of events were passed to Washington largely unchallenged."

--U.S. officials put forward sketchy intelligence as proof that Iran had secured 19 long-range missiles from North Korea--claims that were treated as fact by the New York Times, which subsequently walked back its credulous reporting (FAIR Activism Update, 12/3/10)


All of these examples--an incomplete tally of the important revelations in the cables thus far--would suggest that there is plenty in the WikiLeaks releases that does not reflect particularly well on U.S. policymakers.

In its "Note to Readers" explaining their decision to publish stories about the cables, the New York Times (11/29/10) told readers that "the documents serve an important public interest, illuminating the goals, successes, compromises and frustrations of American diplomacy."

The paper went on:

But the more important reason to publish these articles is that the cables tell the unvarnished story of how the government makes its biggest decisions, the decisions that cost the country most heavily in lives and money. They shed light on the motivations--and, in some cases, duplicity--of allies on the receiving end of American courtship and foreign aid. They illuminate the diplomacy surrounding two current wars and several countries, like Pakistan and Yemen, where American military involvement is growing.


The "duplicity" of other countries can be illuminated by the cables, while the U.S.'s secret wars are evidence of "diplomacy." That principle would seem to be guiding the way many U.S. outlets are interpreting the WikiLeaks revelations.





And this list missed a whole bunch of the big ones, like:

- the Yemeni-US construction of a mini-Gulf of Tonkin incident

- the order to steal Ban-Ki Moon's credit card numbers

- corporations like Pfizer and Shell reporting their crimes in Nigeria to the State Department in a routine way, without fear of repercussion or loss of support

- Labour party leader Arbib's service as a US informant during the toppling of the Rudd government in Australia

- pressure on Sweden and Spain among others to follow US corporate copyright policy,

and and what am I forgettin'?

- Oh yeah, Lebanese defense minister Murr negotiating with Israel about which targets in his country he would not mind seeing BOMBED.

Plus the spy corps, erm, sorry, diplomatic corps fanatic obsession with the real Axis of Evil: Iran and Hugo... and Michael Moore?!

PLUS PLUS PLUS!

Everyone add your own favorites -- from the cables please. (Please, no stories about the Assange case here.)

If you want to be kind to everyone, add links to stories of any of the above, including to the cables. Let's create an old-fashioned DU collaborative research thread.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 06:58 PM
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1. None of that is explosive.
None of it. Its so mild as to make one wonder why in the world anyone is talking about this stuff.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 07:04 PM
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3. Talking point #1: "Old News."
No matter how criminal the action, avoid details and talk about how everyone knew it already, therefore it doesn't matter.

(By the way, I guess that means you've got no problem with the leaks, since none of it matters, right?)

Talking point #2: "Totally unimportant gossip."

Talking point #3: "It shows how good US diplomats are to the world."

Talking point #4: "Extremely dangerous leak! An attack on the world! Terrorism!"

(The contradiction is irrelevant. The point is to hit them with everything available.)

Talking point #5: Assange has funny hair / is albino / is a rapist / etc. etc.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 07:17 PM
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5. Blah blah blah
Again I don't find any of it disturbing in the least. I expect our government to protect its CIA members. I expect our government to run propaganda against nations that are unfriendly toward us.

Our mission from the start in afghanistan was to root out Alqueda. Everyone knows they just crossed the boarder into pakistan to avoid our troops. I expect our government to do everything in its power to chase them down. Its what they did and with the cooperation of the Pakistani government who obviously has to try to keep its public mollified and so pretends they don't have anything to do with it.

Only someone who is hopelessly naive would be shocked by these revelations.
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 07:34 PM
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6. I totally agree
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 07:40 PM
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7. "I expect my government to commit crimes, and I don't want to know."
Only someone who is hopelessly authoritarian would approve of these revelations.

The naive part is to believe that criminal government will serve our interests. Very foolish. It plunders US taxpayers to send their soldiers to get killed abroad, so that more people in the world hates Americans.

Plenty of these items are indeed confirmations of old news. Very little comes as a surprise. The difference is that people who argue in defense of the empire, as you do, have lost at least one of your former talking-point strategies, which was to deny, deny, deny.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 07:48 PM
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9. Your mistake is thinking we don't know
Again you try to pretend the media ignored this stuff and its patently false. The vast majority of it was reported on way before New Jesus did his little grandstanding.

You seem to have some reading comprehension problems. No one is trying to deny any of it my whole post is about how not only did I know of these things but I approve of them.

In my Opinion you are doing an awesome impression of The man of La Mancha. Trying to pretend some conspiracy is here that isn't.

You may not agree with the positions that our government has taken in these docs but that doesnt mean everyone shares your views, nor does it mean anyone that agrees with those same actions is trying to hide or deny them.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:05 PM
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12. You have nothing except generalities for the system and it shows.
Edited on Wed Dec-22-10 08:12 PM by JackRiddler
First of all, unless you were on SIRPnet yourself, there are a number of things there you definitely did not know. (Arbib and Murr, for two.)

But no matter what will come out, your reaction is already predetermined: You know already and approve.

Paradoxically, what this really means is you don't know and don't care. Because you don't want to know. It's all good. "Please kill others, lie to me (I won't believe you but I won't care), and use my money for it."

As for deny, deny, deny, based on what you write here I'm betting that's what you would done last month if any of these stories hit the press without a State Department cable to back them up.

It all boils down to this, you are happy to have these people in charge.

And as for your fifth-grade attempts at insults, I'm happy to have our posts near each other like this so that others can read and compare!
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:08 PM
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14. Says thye guy whose only contribution has been a list of talkiing points
you completely made up.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:13 PM
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16. Hey, that's such a clever reversal, I'll just leave it to ya.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 07:48 PM
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8. "And I want my government to lie to me because they know better."


Just translating your bid for the double-think prize. You wrote, "I expect our government to run propaganda against nations that are unfriendly toward us."


That wouldn't be them that was fooled. It'd be YOU. The one who ends up believing the propaganda. Since propaganda no longer stays in one place, but gets zapped out worldwide. Therefore it's propaganda against you. Except, of course, that you are plainly admitting you prefer a government that kills and corrupts and lies and plunders, and deceives you about it, because (absurdly) you think this will be in your interess. Very, very sad.

By the way, if your response is again "blah, blah, blah," YOU WIN! It's unbeatable logic.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 07:54 PM
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10. LOL you sure do make a lot of ASSumptions
Once again none of this stuff is a revelation or unexpected behavior from our government. I dont know where you can claim I believed the propaganda when I clearly stated I was aware of every one of your so called "denial of the media" So they didnt deny it very well if they were trying to. I also clearly stated that i have no problem with the vast majority of the things you have yourself so worked up about.

The only one who seems to be in denial here is you. You dont seem to want to accept the fact that people are quite comfortable with the majority of this stuff and in fact expect our government to conduct itself that way.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:16 PM
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18. Those who "expect" their government to break laws shouldn't even bother to play democracy.
Really, don't you have some "American Idol" or some such to go watch? Goodnight.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:19 PM
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20. Break what law?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:22 PM
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22. All of them.
Edited on Wed Dec-22-10 08:23 PM by JackRiddler
I'm sure the USG lawyers can make up reasons why it's okay to murder civilians with drone planes and then have client governments lie and say they did it themselves. And I'm sure you'll be happy to call it acceptable behavior and totally legal, hooray. Funny how you'll act if one of the targeted people ever retaliates by doing the same thing on American soil, though.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:27 PM
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25. Cant point to even one can you?
All you can do is spout general outrage. Funny since you are the one complaining about generalities upthread
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:28 PM
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27. Actually, I did. But you are determined not to read. Everyone who can read, will see this.
So give yourself a big "Mission Accomplished" banner and enjoy your TV-box, Mr. Revenge.
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:33 PM
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30. You are one strange cat
My last bump for you and your "important" thread. :rofl:

So important that the only one replying to you is me Hah! Even after i kept it on top for you for a hlaf an hour.

Enjoy your outrage Man of La Mancha
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:43 PM
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32. I believe you spent the same half-hour, sir.
I love it when people admit my time is more valuable.
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:06 PM
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13. So what if a lot of civilians get killed in the process
according to you it seems okay as long as they are not American civilians
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:08 PM
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15. LOL more hyperbole from the new jesus brigade!
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:15 PM
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17. Too bad I am not part of the jesus brigade
Want to try again??
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:18 PM
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19. No, he thinks it's funny to call Assange "Jesus."
Edited on Wed Dec-22-10 08:20 PM by JackRiddler
Since of course if you support Wikileaks you must be a worshipper. There could be no other reason.

egnever is right about one thing. This stuff never changes. Especially the stupid attack rhetoric. No different from Freepers talking about "Obama worshippers" or "Bush derangement syndrome."
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:19 PM
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21. Get a mirror
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:24 PM
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23. No shit. n/t
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:26 PM
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24. Ah, the usual suspects.
Thank you for kicking an important thread!
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Egnever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:27 PM
Response to Reply #24
26. Again a mirror would do well.
Usual suspect indeed.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:32 PM
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29. Well at least you held the insults and name calling in check unlike you have with most others who
disagree with you. Gotta appreciate that.

So your view is the ONLY POSSIBLE CORRECT ONE. I find that to be pretty narrow minded, don't you? I wish I had a dime for every DU'er who thought like that. I'd have enough money to run for President.

I'll tell you briefly what I think of Julian. He's holding information, or so he claims, that BoA is perpetrating fraud on its customers. He's holding that information. He's holding that information. He's holding that information. I repeated it in case it didn't sink in the first time. Why do you think he's holding that information? By holding it, he's allowing a major corporation to continue fucking its customers. That, in my opinion, goes counter to every reason I've heard stated for his doing this in the first place.

He's allowing a much hated corporation to continue fucking its customers but I don't see a word about it from the likes of you.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:42 PM
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31. Though you like to put things strongly, you don't seem to appreciate it in return.
But enough of this tit for tat, "you did the same thing" bullshit.

Your new anti-Assange argument is delicious

Let's see, for more than two years the US government -- the US government, not some whistleblower that the US government wants to detain or possibly kill -- allowed Bank of America to get away with perpetrating fraud on its customers.

They didn't bring charges. They didn't investigate. (Repeat.)

In fact, they bailed out Bank of America when it failed, allowing it to continue fucking its customers.

They bailed out Bank of America when it failed, allowing it to continue fucking its customers for years.

And now you say Assange, who so far has delivered on all of his promises, is bad because he hasn't already spilled the BoA material!

That's right, Bank of America is fucking their customers, but that's not your concern. The USG lets them do it, but that's not your concern. The Fed saves them so that they can fuck their customers some more, but that's not your concern. No, the one responsible for fucking BoA's customers is Assange, because he hasn't ALREADY released the documents.

Even though, based on everything until now, he will deliver.

You're saying this, although you're against Wikileaks. Interesting argument. I mean, for how trivially bad it is. Is that really the best you got?

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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:45 PM
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33. No it's just all I feel like sharing with the likes of you. n/t
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smiley Donating Member (602 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 02:28 PM
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45. he has a point
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Angry Dragon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:29 PM
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28. I worship no man or woman
I am just glad that someone is putting a face to the lies in this government
If Assange is guilty of rape then he should be arrested and tried
as many in this and past administrations should be arrested and tried for crimes
against the American people
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sendero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:50 AM
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41. Your argument has been thoroughly destroyed..
.. and either you are too fucking stupid to see that or you are paid not to.

Doesn't really matter which, you are useless either way.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:49 PM
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34. Do you also "approve" of rendition, subversion, murder, as committed by the CIA?
Do you also "approve" of drone attacks, torture, the financing of terrorists, as carried out by the CIA?

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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:36 PM
Response to Reply #5
36. Well then, there's no reason whatsoever to imprison Manning
or threaten Assange with prosecution or murder, is there?

If the cables are inconsequential, then they are misclassified and there is no justification for calling it espionage. If it was all something to be proud of, in booster fashion, then I should expect it all would have been on Fox from day one.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 02:17 PM
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44. Reuters disagrees with you. The murder of their two journalists
Edited on Thu Dec-23-10 02:18 PM by sabrina 1
caused them to demand an accounting of how it happened for two years. They were refused the facts of those killings. The video released by Wikileaks finally gave the facts of that tragedy, showing also the killing of innocent people, two children nearly killed, their father slaughtered as he tried to help one of the wounded Reuters journalists who was shot dead against all rules of war.

If Americans have become so desensitized to this kind of murder by its military, the rest of the world has not. Wikileaks and the guardian followed up on that story and found the family, the two little children who lost their dad and will live forever with both the physical and emotional scars of that horrible day.

The cables also gave some comfort to the widow of the poisoned Russian spy. Perhaps to you, that is not important. We here in the Empire apparently view human life in the lands our government invade, as less then human so of course these revelations are not 'explosive' to the citizens of the Empire.

We also found out that not only has our policy been to do nothing about war criminals here in the Empire, our president took an active part in protecting Bush War Criminals from prosecution, a prosecution we were hoping would go forward, in Spain.

I could go on, but yes, so far, what has happened as a result of these cables is that the world views the U.S. in a very different light, and citizens of other countries have discovered that the U.S. has an inordinate influence over their governments, and they do not like it.

So far only approx. 1,000 of the over a quarter of a million docs have been released. I also consider it explosive to see how our government supports brutal dictators both financially and otherwise, like Karamov in Uzbekistan, FULLY AWARE of his brutality, but dismissing it 'because he lets us build bases in his country'. I and others around the globe will never again pay any attention whatsoever to any claims by this government that we are the good guys who go after the bad guys.

We also had confirmed, the campaign against Venezuela's president, something many only suspected, but now know for sure where all the negatove propaganda is coming from, and it is all for oil, no truth in it at all. So we try to depose a democratically elected president while supporting brutal dictators. That to me SHOULD be explosive information to any American citizen who cares one bit about human rights and about this demoncacy.

There has been a lot more, and I am glad to see some truth, the possibility of some justice being done, and the verification of a lot of what we only suspected.

And I know this, if these cables had been released during the Bush era, democrats would be calling these revelations 'explosive' and that's another thing they have revealed. The hyocrisy of both parties, not just Republicans.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 04:08 PM
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46. Excellent comment and examples, sabrina1.
The case for "old news" or "no biggie" really is predicated on a willful ignorance (and tacit approval) of murderous acts. Also, acts highly destructive to the interests of the people paying the taxes, contrary to what is claimed by the defenders. But again, no examples are given anyway. It's an article of national religious faith that "we knew it all" and "no biggie" and "Assange must hang for giving it away!"

Some measure of closure for the murdered journalists' families means a lot more than maintaining the USG's ability to continue fucking around irresponsibly without accountability.

And this is so true, sabrina1:

"And I know this, if these cables had been released during the Bush era, democrats would be calling these revelations 'explosive' and that's another thing they have revealed. The hyocrisy of both parties, not just Republicans."

Thank you!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:41 PM
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48. I agree, why would anyone talk about this silly ole stuff?
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 06:59 PM
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2. Repeating: Everyone add your own favorites -- from the cables please!
Please, no stories about the Assange case on this thread.

If you want to be kind to everyone, add links to stories of any of the above, including links to cables.

Let's create an old-fashioned DU collaborative research thread!
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 08:03 PM
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11. Kick so I can help you out later. Thanks.
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 10:23 PM
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35. I've thought about this myself,
today even, because the number of stories is growing so large and I've not found a site which seems to be collating all of them. Moreover, each news agency attaches a different perspective to each cable, and I'd like to see all of them included. The reaction of the each nation's local press is seldom the same as the NYT.

And I know there are important stories which I've read in the cables but which are either not being reported or are being shunted to the side.

More than just collecting them in one post, I wonder if there is any sentiment for having a DU forum where the cables or main stories could be posted as OPs and the links and background info added as replies. Either that or bringing back the DU wiki.

Either way, the crying shame of it is that we, as amateurs, feel compelled to collect and present the info - a job that the main street press should be doing.

The starting points:
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/world/statessecrets.html
http://www.spiegel.de/flash/flash-24861.html
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:48 AM
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37. Where to research the cables (best as I know)
Of the newspaper sites, go with The Guardian. They are a full partner and have been doing constant, massive coverage. (The Times site is a joke and shamelessly spun to minimize releases and maximize pro-war propaganda.)

1. Guardian http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/the-us-embassy-cables

2. Wikileaks new home: http://wikileaks.ch/ (go to "cablegate" section)

3. Search-able database of cables that is synched with Wikileaks releases: http://www.dazzlepod.com/cable/

4. Wikileaks the forum: http://www.wikileaksforum.net/

5. Crowdjournalizing the raw cables... very slowly: http://operationleakspin.org/

---

#5 is a wiki site for the cables and actually looks like it will develop into the most interesting.

Some cables and important stories have received first treatment in the Arab press, in Bolivia (which is hosting cables about Bolivia!), in Counterpunch (where they took apart the NY Times attack-Iran spin), and an article by Andrew Gavin Marshall on Global Research (but much of the rest of the stuff there is paranoid stuff in the Alex Jones mode).
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Iterate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 08:32 AM
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42. Thanks, I didn't know about operationleakspin.org
I can understand why it's difficult to crowd-source analysis of the cables, because what's really needed is a smallish group of committed people who have enough specialized understanding of each cable's subject matter to put it together -and that will be a different group for nearly every cable.

The best place I can think of (besides DU) for that to happen would be the student and academic population at any given university, as a cross-disciplinary project, writing a wiki which would be useful to the public for generations.
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:25 PM
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49. The Saudis have been pushing the U.S. to go to war with Iran. n/t
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-22-10 07:10 PM
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4. I Recall how our Media would compare their freedoms to the USSR
Edited on Wed Dec-22-10 07:10 PM by fascisthunter
They had to find something extreme to compare themselves to in order to prop up their own image.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:54 AM
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38. UK TRAINED BANGLADESH DEATH SQUAD

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/21/wikileaks-cables-british-police-bangladesh-death-squad


WikiLeaks cables: Bangladeshi 'death squad' trained by UK government

Rapid Action Battalion, accused of hundreds of extra-judicial killings, received training from UK officers, cables reveal



Fariha Karim and Ian Cobain
guardian.co.uk, Tuesday 21 December 2010 21.30 GMT


The British government has been training a Bangladeshi paramilitary force condemned by human rights organisations as a "government death squad", leaked US embassy cables have revealed. Members of the Rapid Action Battalion (RAB), which has been held responsible for hundreds of extra-judicial killings in recent years and is said to routinely use torture, have received British training in "investigative interviewing techniques" and "rules of engagement".

Details of the training were revealed in a number of cables, released by WikiLeaks, which address the counter-terrorism objectives of the US and UK governments in Bangladesh. One cable makes clear that the US would not offer any assistance other than human rights training to the RAB – and that it would be illegal under US law to do so – because its members commit gross human rights violations with impunity.

Since the RAB was established six years ago, it is estimated by some human rights activists to have been responsible for more than 1,000 extra-judicial killings, described euphemistically as "crossfire" deaths. In September last year the director general of the RAB said his men had killed 577 people in "crossfire". In March this year he updated the figure, saying they had killed 622 people.

The RAB's use of torture has also been exhaustively documented by human rights organisations....
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 12:59 AM
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39. DYNCORP SOLD CHILD SEX SLAVES
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xchrom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:25 AM
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40. recommend
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 01:40 PM
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43. 2007: US, YEMEN COOK UP MINI-GULF OF TONKIN AGAINST IRAN
One of the most dangerous and irresponsble incidents so far to come out thanks to the cables is described in this prior thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9724991#9724991

Basically, a US spy drone washed up on shore in Yemen. In private, the US admitted it was theirs. Later, however, the Yemenis lied to the world and claimed this same craft was Iranian. The US played along with the deception, and are thus just as guilty. This was a psychological operation aimed at the world public, very dangerous and irresponsible. False accusations like these raise the chances of hostilities breaking out.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 05:39 PM
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47. Kick.
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Rex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-10 06:32 PM
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50. It is unprofitable to dish your brand! America needs to be rah '
by people that make 50 million a year. You lose value if you trash your best and only client/buyer/seller/owner.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 09:35 AM
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51. LEBANESE DEFENSE MINISTER OFFERED ADVICE TO ISRAEL ON WHAT TO BOMB
Lebanon 'gave Israel army tips'

Defence minister offered advice to Israel in 2008 on how to defeat Hezbollah, WikiLeaks documents show.
Last Modified: 08 Dec 2010 04:09 GMT


Murr, right, reportedly said Israel should desist from bombing Christian areas while attacking Hezbollah



Lebanon's defence minister offered advice to Israel in 2008 on how they might defeat Hezbollah, the Shia group based in southern Lebanon, according to US diplomatic cables released by WikiLeaks. The memo, published in Lebanese daily Al-Akhbar, showed Elias Murr telling US officials that areas under Hezbollah control would not receive Lebanese forces' protection from attacks. "If Israel has to bomb all of these places in the Shia areas as a matter of operational concern, that is Hezbollah's problem,'' Murr reportedly said.

'Not accurate'

The minister also said that any Israeli attack on Lebanon should avoid bombing Christian areas, to stop public opinion turning against them. "Murr told us that Israel would do well to avoid two things when it comes for Hezbollah," the US officials are quoted as saying. "One, it must not touch the Blue Line or the UNSCR 1701 areas as this will keep Hezbollah out of these areas," said the memo, referring to the border region in southern Lebanon patrolled by UN peacekeepers. "Two, Israel cannot bomb bridges and infrastructure in the Christian areas," Murr is cited as stating.

However, Murr said that he was not responsible for passing on messages to Israel.

In the March 10 meeting, Murr added that the Lebanese army would avoid taking part in any future war, but the military would be ready to "take over, once Hezbollah's militia has been destroyed". George Soulage, Murr's principal aide, said Murr had met with Michele Sison, then US ambassador, but refuted the accusation of the leak, stating: "The information posted by WikiLeaks is not complete and is not accurate. "The aim behind this is to sow discord in Lebanon. The cable does not reflect the truth about what happened during the meeting and it has no value."

more
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2010/12/20101246144971381.html
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reorg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 12:00 PM
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52. US threatened Italian government to influence case of cleric Abu Omar (CIA torture flights)
Edited on Fri Dec-24-10 12:01 PM by reorg
In 2007, a court in Milan started trying several CIA agents in absentia for their roles in the 2003 kidnapping of Abu Omar, an Egyptian cleric who had been living in the northern Italian city. When the indictments first came down, the US government tried to intervene -- first in Milan and then in Rome -- so as to influence the investigations of the public prosecutor's office.

... The case bears an uncanny resemblance to how the United States dealt with the affair involving Khaled el-Masri, a German citizen with Lebanese roots who was also unlawfully kidnapped by the CIA in Macedonia in late 2003 for having alleged ties to terrorism. In that case, US diplomats in Germany tried to prevent local officials from pursuing a case against CIA officials involved in el-Masri's abduction and issuing an international arrest warrant for them.

... In the case involving Omar, the United States quickly ran into the same problem that it had faced in Germany. Italian journalists and Armando Spataro, the unflinching prosecutor in Milan, uncovered in meticulous detail the CIA agents' at-times-sloppy efforts to camouflage their actions. And the story quickly became a media sensation -- particularly after it emerged that a number of agents had rewarded themselves for the successful kidnapping operation by spending a weekend in a luxury hotel in Venice, complete with generous expense accounts. After months of investigations, the prosecutor produced an overwhelmingly detailed indictment that even included the real names of the kidnappers.

... already in May 2006, the American ambassador in Rome relayed a threatening message: If arrest warrants were in fact issued, it could lead to a drastic deterioration in bilateral relations. For example, in notes following a conversation with high-ranking Undersecretary Gianni Letta on May 24, 2006, the American ambassador wrote that he had explained to Letta that "nothing would damage relations faster or more seriously than a decision by the government of Italy to forward warrants for arrests" of the CIA agents named in connection with the Abu Omar case.

... In the end, a solution was found that was very similar to the one reached in Germany in the case of Khaled el-Masri. Although there were verdicts, arrest warrants and extradition requests in the case, the Italian government refused to formally forward the requests to the US, just as Berlin had done. As a result, Abu Omar's kidnappers are still at large.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,735268,00.html
http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/24/wikileaks/index.html
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 05:28 PM
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53. GREENWALD RUNS DOWN A TOP 20 of Stories Revealed Through Wikileaks
Edited on Fri Dec-24-10 05:31 PM by JackRiddler
In his latest column at

http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/24/wikileaks/index.html

Glenn Greenwald reviews

What WikiLeaks revealed to the world in 2010

-- in the form of grabbed headlines from various newspapers and links to the stories.

A friend of mine did us the favor of putting the stories into a text list:

Among those things WikiLeaks revealed include, but are certainly not limited to:

(1) WikiLeaks releases video depicting US forces killing two Reuters journalists in Iraq

(2) 'Ha ha, I hit 'em': Top secret video showing US helicopter pilots gunning down 12 civilians in Baghdad attack leaked online

(3) Iraq war logs: Secret order that let US ignore abuse

(4) Iraq war logs reveal 15,000 previously unlisted civilian deaths

(5) Clinton ordered US diplomats to spy on UN officials

(6) Obama and GOPers worked together to kill Bush torture probe

(7) US Pressured Germany Not To Prosecute CIA Officers For Torture And Rendition

(8) Cables show Germany Caved to Pressure from Washington

(9) Yemeni president lied about US strikes

(10) Contrary to public statements, Obama admin fueled conflict in Yemen

(11) Wikileaks: India 'tortured' Kashmir prisoners

(12) UK training Bangladesh 'death squad'

(13) UK agreed to shield US interests in Iraq probe: WikiLeaks

(14) WikiLeaks: Pope refused to cooperate in sex abuse investigation

(15) WikiLeaks, Open and shut: the case of the Honduran Coup

(16) WikiLeaks: China Behind Google Hack

(17) WikiLeaks Cables: US special forces working inside Pakistan

(18) WikiLeaks reveals the obvious dangers of Afghanistan

(19) Afghanistan war logs: Massive leak of US files exposes truth of occupation

More at http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/12/24/wikileaks/index.html

Once again: only the beginning. Left out the State Department covering for the criminal activities of Pfizer and Shell in Nigeria, the Yemeni "Gulf of Tonkin Incident," the Lebanese defense minister negotiating targets to bomb inside Lebanon with the Israelis, etc. etc.

LESS THAN ONE PERCENT OF ALL CABLES HAVE BEEN RELEASED.

Remember, everyone, this is not exposure of widespread corruption and crimes against humanity by multiple governments.

It's "old news." Or else it's our noble diplomats at work.

By the way, if many of the cables prove to be "harmless," keep in mind that over-classification of secrets is just as essential in keeping the state opaque and un-democratic. Classifying things that should be in the open is abuse.


But Greenwald puts it better:

Throughout this year I've devoted substantial attention to WikiLeaks, particularly in the last four weeks as calls for its destruction intensified. To understand why I've done so, and to see what motivates the increasing devotion of the U.S. Government and those influenced by it to destroying that organization, it's well worth reviewing exactly what WikiLeaks exposed to the world just in the last year: the breadth of the corruption, deceit, brutality and criminality on the part of the world's most powerful factions.

As revealing as the disclosures themselves are, the reactions to them have been equally revealing. The vast bulk of the outrage has been devoted not to the crimes that have been exposed but rather to those who exposed them: WikiLeaks and (allegedly) Bradley Manning. A consensus quickly emerged in the political and media class that they are Evil Villains who must be severely punished, while those responsible for the acts they revealed are guilty of nothing. That reaction has not been weakened at all even by the Pentagon's own admission that, in stark contrast to its own actions, there is no evidence -- zero -- that any of WikiLeaks' actions has caused even a single death.

Meanwhile, the American establishment media -- even in the face of all these revelations -- continues to insist on the contradictory, Orwellian platitudes that (a) there is Nothing New™ in anything disclosed by WikiLeaks and (b) WikiLeaks has done Grave Harm to American National Security™ through its disclosures.

It's unsurprising that political leaders would want to convince people that the true criminals are those who expose acts of high-level political corruption and criminality, rather than those who perpetrate them. Every political leader would love for that self-serving piety to take hold. But what's startling is how many citizens and, especially, "journalists" now vehemently believe that as well. In light of what WikiLeaks has revealed to the world about numerous governments, just fathom the authoritarian mindset that would lead a citizen -- and especially a "journalist" -- to react with anger that these things have been revealed; to insist that these facts should have been kept concealed and it'd be better if we didn't know; and, most of all, to demand that those who made us aware of it all be punished (the True Criminals) while those who did these things (The Good Authorities) be shielded.
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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 05:43 PM
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54. WASHINGTON ENCOURAGED ARMS TO SOUTH SUDAN EVEN THOUGH IT WAS MAIN ENFORCER OF TREATY BAN
"Washington encouraged the delivery of weapons to South Sudan even though it was the main guarantor of the 2005 peace agreement."



This isn't your usual violation of international law by "realists," the kind that many people on this thread want to call admirable and forget about.


In this case, the US set itself up as the main enforcer of the 2005 peace agreement that put an end to decades of bloody civil war in Sudan that had cost millions of lives. Then Washington encouraged an egregrious violation: a shipment of Russian tanks set up by an apparent Mossad agent.

Turns out the unwitting good guys in the story were the much-maligned Somali pirates who hijacked the ship and caused the shipment to fail.


Wikileaks documents now provide confirmation... no more denials possible.


http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/world-news/wikileaks-confirms-russian-tanks-aboard-hijacked-ship-were-bound-for-south-sudan-1.1073867

WikiLeaks confirms Russian tanks aboard hijacked ship were bound for South Sudan

Sudan: From Fred Bridgeland, Africa Correspondent


12 Dec 2010

The WikiLeaks whistleblower website has confirmed as true a Sunday Herald investigation that found dozens of Russian-made tanks aboard a ship hijacked by Somali pirates were destined for clandestine delivery to the army of the autonomous Government of South Sudan.

Having taken the Ukrainian ship, the MV Faina, in September 2008, the pirates were shocked to find aboard 33 Russian-made T-72 tanks, 42 anti-aircraft guns and more than 800 tonnes of ammunition. The Kenyan government quickly condemned the hijacking of the Faina, saying that its destination was the port of Mombasa and that the tanks had been bought for use by the Kenyan Army.

A Sunday Herald investigation found that there were very few good guys in the saga. The tanks, in addition to at least 67 previously shipped, were in fact destined for delivery to the Government of South Sudan, which put it in breach of Sudan’s 2005 Comprehensive Peace Agreement that ended a 21-year civil war between north and south in which more than 2 million people died.

Classified US State Department cables published by WikiLeaks show not only that the Sunday Herald’s information was right as regards the tanks’ actual destination, but that Washington had encouraged the delivery of weapons to South Sudan even though it was the main guarantor of the peace agreement.

The WikiLeaks revelations about US-approved weapons deliveries come at one of the most delicate times in the history of Sudan...

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JackRiddler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-24-10 05:55 PM
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55. AUSTRALIA: KEY LABOR POWER BROKER ARBIB OUTED AS US INFORMANT

This fellow Arbib in the Australian Senate was a key player last year in toppling the Rudd government to put in the new PM, Gillard. (Note that Rudd has now expressed support for Assange, after Gillard had called him a criminal.)

Just switch the nationalities and imagine - oh, Joe Lieberman - informing the Australian embassy of every move in the power machinations of the Democratic caucus, at a time when that caucus is busy negotiating a switch at the White House. How would you be reacting?! Would you be saying, "Hey, it's routine diplomacy, only hippies whine about it, it should be kept secret!"

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/in-depth/wikileaks/us-espionage-trial-endgame-for-julian-assange/story-fn775xjq-1225967923486

FEDERAL Labor powerbroker Mark Arbib has been outed as a key source of intelligence on government and internal party machinations to the US embassy. New embassy cables, released by WikiLeaks to Fairfax newspapers today, reveal the influential right-wing Labor MP has been one of the embassy's best ALP informants, along with former frontbencher Bob McMullan and current MP Michael Danby.

The documents say the Minister for Sport had been secretly offering details of Labor's inner workings even before his election to the Senate in 2007, dating back to his time as general secretary of the party's NSW branch from 2004. Senator Arbib was one of the "faceless men" who was instrumental in the decision to oust Kevin Rudd and install Julia Gillard as Prime Minister in June.

The documents also identify Senator Arbib as a strong backer of the Australia-US alliance. "He understands the importance of supporting a vibrant relationship with the US while not being too deferential. We have found him personable, confident and articulate," an embassy profile on Senator Arbib written in July last year says. "He has met with us repeatedly throughout his political rise."

The embarrassing revelations come as lawyers for whistleblower Julian Assange say the 39-year-old Australian will not be safe if he is sent to Sweden for trial because the "endgame" of US authorities is to move him there to be charged with espionage.

SNIP
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sabrina 1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-25-10 02:18 PM
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56. Revealed also was that the U.S. knows the brutal
history of Karamov of Uzbekistan. A principled British diplomat quit his job over what he witnessed in that dictatorship. As Robert Fisk reported, this is a man who is worse than Saddam Hussein, who boils his own people in oil and is more than willing to commit genocide, to remain in power, and has.

But in the cables it was revealed that the U.S. discussed this criminal, but decided it was okay to support him with huge sums of OUR money, because 'he let's us build military bases in his country'.

What we are learning and with evidence this time, from Wikileaks, is that the U.S. government, no matter who is in power, if far more comfortable with brutal dictators as allies, than with democratically elected leaders of real democracies. We are all the way over to the dark side it seems, with few voices if any in our government even raising an objection to these policies.

We also learned that the U.S. despises Europe's Human Rights court and attempted to smear some of the most respected Human Rights judges in the world.

But NOT Karamov, of Uzbekistan.

Americans learning all of this have to decide, is the kind of country they want to live in, to defend, or not?
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