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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:41 PM Original message |
Brutal dictator wipes out villages, engages in ethnic cleansing...do you support military action? |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:43 PM Response to Original message |
1. I don't remember the Iraqis begging for a no-fly zone. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. Then you don't remember correctly. The Shiites were on our side, remember? |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:05 PM Response to Reply #7 |
18. They did not greet us with flowers. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #18 |
23. Then explain this video against intervention |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:19 PM Response to Reply #23 |
29. They still do not want boots on the ground |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. I'll trust real people talking to tweets, thanks. |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #23 |
34. Someone does say something about putting pressure on Gaddafi |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. Sure, but I'm pretty sure airstrikes aren't what they meant. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:12 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. And what happens if we accidentally kill a few dozen rebels? |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:22 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Please could you point me to a link that states |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. Huh? |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
39. I was responding to this |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:33 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. Did you catch the sarcasm thingy after that? |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #33 |
40. Obviously, I don't speak for tabatha, but I think she was accusing you of creating a straw man. nt |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #40 |
46. Yeah, that's not a straw man. I think you mean "red herring." But it's not that either. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 12:02 AM Response to Reply #46 |
60. Here is the line I beleive can be viewed as a straw man. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 12:06 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. I'm talking about the Libyan rebels and their support for intervention |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 12:20 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I understand your point, and I think it is a valid one, |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 12:17 AM Response to Reply #60 |
63. A straw man is a falsification of a position by taking the most extreme position on it |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 12:26 AM Response to Reply #63 |
66. I agree with your reply, but I would like to add a straw man can also be a fabricated |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 03:05 AM Response to Reply #66 |
69. This is nitpicking but it actually is an exaggeration or weakening of a claim. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 08:58 AM Response to Reply #69 |
71. A fabricated argument could be a red herring, but it could also be a straw man, depending on the |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. And that is just going to be accepted. When we inevitably kill civilians. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:35 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. I'm sure the rebels will understand |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Then let the Arab League do it |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. +1 |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:50 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Why should they lift a finger when the infidels will do it for them? |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. See #19 |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:06 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. They will be doing it. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Okay, sure...we'll see |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:25 PM Response to Reply #22 |
35. Please try reading or listening to some news |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
51. Again...we'll see |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #19 |
26. I have a hard time believing that. |
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tabatha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
41. See #35 |
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NoTimeToulouse (204 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. See #26 |
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Billy Burnett (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:44 PM Response to Original message |
2. Depends on who's dicktater ... ours? or "theirs"? n/t |
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onehandle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. That was different. Iraq financed and planned 9/11. |
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KamaAina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. But, but, but, Libya's opposition is organized! They even have their own flag! |
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hlthe2b (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. Had we not sold out suporting the Kurds after the first Gulf War... |
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bullwinkle428 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
6. But we were buddy-buddy with Saddam WHILE he was doing |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
10. And we've been buddy-buddy with Gaddafi and Mubarak too. |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
9. One was initiated from within, the other without. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. The shiites were on supposedly on our side in the uprising. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. And the Kurds |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Are all of the Libyans on Twitter military bots? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 12:22 AM Response to Reply #21 |
65. They probably would not have been so happy if they didn't lose 6 cities to Gaddafi... |
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Rage for Order (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
14. The cognitive dissonance gets them every time |
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qazplm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:37 PM Response to Reply #14 |
50. Libya is different |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:54 PM Response to Original message |
16. Why does any of this matter when we are too broke to finance |
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Bigmack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 10:58 PM Response to Original message |
17. Question: Who died and made us God? nt |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 12:04 AM Response to Reply #17 |
61. God died and made us god. nt |
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M155Y_A1CH (921 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
24. Too bad we frittered away the war chest |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:18 PM Response to Original message |
27. I was OK with removing Saddam, the problem arose when we chose to occupy. nt |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Funny how that always seems to happen. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:26 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. It doesn't always happen. |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:28 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Okay then. When didn't it happen exactly? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:32 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. Grenada? Mexico? Canada? Cuba? |
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readmoreoften (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:42 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. I thought you were saying there are many countries where we invaded and liberated them |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #55 |
57. We have done good once or twice, it's not the way to bet. |
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Hugabear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Mexico, Cuba? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:47 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. Well, there are lots. |
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JVS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 12:35 AM Response to Reply #28 |
67. I'm beginning to believe that both the policy makers and a lot of posters are the kind... |
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lonestarnot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:24 PM Response to Reply #27 |
32. That was not the original lie/reason we were lied into that one. |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. That is true. nt |
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bluestateguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:22 PM Response to Original message |
31. By the U.S.? No. |
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Unvanguard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
52. Would I have supported a no-fly zone in the midst of an imminent threat of humanitarian catastrophe? |
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OmahaBlueDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
53. As long as you also realize you sided with Clinton's decision to intervene in the former Yugoslavia |
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BlueCheese (897 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:42 PM Response to Original message |
54. There is much more international legitmacy here. |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-17-11 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
59. The main reason we invaded Iraq was to stop their nuclear program, |
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Iterate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 12:56 AM Response to Original message |
68. I favor a UN resolution sanctioning nonsensical historical metaphors. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-18-11 05:39 AM Response to Original message |
70. The US act alone? NO. The UN act to protect civilians? YES. |
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