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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 08:16 PM Original message |
If one honestly cares about justice and the humanitarian situation in Libya |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 08:24 PM Response to Original message |
1. My first reaction was to argue against your claim, but when I started to create my argument, |
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Davis_X_Machina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. Live by collective security, die by it.... |
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MedleyMisty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-26-11 11:01 PM Response to Original message |
3. While I would have been okay with someone trying to stop Bush |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:02 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I use Iraq as comparison since it is the one event in recent US history |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:08 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. They lost a half dozen cities which we now see Gaddafi has abandoned. |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:12 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. Calling out atrocities of American-backed dictators is anti-Americanism? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:19 AM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Nah, calling out American-backed dictators while ignoring other dictators is. |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:36 AM Response to Reply #11 |
19. WTF??? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:43 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. Thanks for agreeing with me. |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:23 AM Response to Reply #11 |
39. It is not "anti-Americanism" to spread counterweights to the "official bias". |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:04 AM Response to Original message |
5. Bush should face the International Criminal Court for what he did. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:09 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. i think china should have bombed the us in retaliation, myself. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Really? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. neither is the current action in libya, iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, africa. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:20 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Yes, the desire to have WIII is very funny. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. this *is* ww3, dude. you just don't get it yet. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:29 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Are you OK? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:30 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. nope, i'm very serious. this is world war 3; you just don't know it yet. |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:25 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. So your argument is basically "might makes right" ? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:28 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. No, I think that's the response from those who are against the revolutionaries getting support. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:47 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. "revolutionaries"...under the leadership of a 30-year US resident academic |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. Eh, the revolutionaries don't care who they're fighting for, it's who they're fighting *against*. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:09 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. one thing that amazes me about DU is people's presumptions and assumptions. |
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ReggieVeggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:32 AM Response to Reply #5 |
18. Tell Obama that! |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
21. He cannot be tried even by the ICC. The United States never formally ratified the Rome Treaty. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:41 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Correct, however, the United States, under Obama, is looking to. |
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howard112211 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 08:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
38. What should happen to Bush was not my question. Whether use of military to stop the US invasion |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:38 AM Response to Original message |
20. It certainly would have been right for them to use the UN to stop or repel Bush's invasion of Iraq. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:53 AM Response to Reply #20 |
25. few? take a look at 1990-present. |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:57 AM Response to Reply #25 |
27. Look at 2000-present. |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:05 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. i count 11, plus this one, with 3 from the 90s still going on. what do you see? |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:17 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. I see a lack of intervention in Burma... |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:22 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. burma is irrelevant. the point of contention is whether the UN has done "few" |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:23 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. You failed to understand what the person meant by "interventions." |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:30 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. "The UN has authorized few military interventions" |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Your link: "Timeline of United Nations peacekeeping missions" |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:24 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. whether you have a problem is also irrelevant. a UN "peacekeeping" |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:33 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Going real fucking well for the UN in those places isn't it? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 07:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. josh, i have no idea what the un is doing in those places, & neither do you. |
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