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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:13 AM Original message |
The problem is this: Obama is the most liberal guy who can actually be elected in 2012...... |
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msongs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
1. it will be the official republican vs the republican lite nt |
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Fuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:16 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. +1 Obama isn't even a little bit liberal. |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:17 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Oh BS |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Out of 1-100 with 100 being Alan Grayson, Obama is a 30 |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:20 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Mm-hmm. Remind me what Grayson has actually accomplished? (nt) |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Let me say this slow for you....... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 12:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
85. + 1,000,000 |
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WillyT (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #7 |
90. + 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:25 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. Just grab some popcorn and enjoy the ranting. |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
21. WTF does that have to do with how liberal he is? |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #21 |
58. You can't really be a liberal if all you do is get your ass handed to you in your re-election |
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Webster Green (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:17 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. Being liberal and being effective are two different things. |
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CrispyQ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #63 |
94. I sent my very right wing mother the Joe Conservative essay. |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:37 AM Response to Reply #5 |
22. He accomplished losing... |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
93. You just made the LIST. nt |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #4 |
19. Obama... |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:39 AM Response to Reply #19 |
24. BS....not close to a 90......... |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #24 |
32. This is what liberals were saying about FDR... |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:50 AM Response to Reply #32 |
35. So you think Obama = FDR?? Really? |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:53 AM Response to Reply #35 |
39. Very much so... |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. OK, no need to discuss further. Low expectations = Happy Voters! |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #41 |
49. Take your anger... |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:03 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. I am not angry, you are. I am disappointed. Part of the presidents job is to..... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:27 AM Response to Reply #55 |
70. no he didn't. I'm tired of myths |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:34 AM Response to Reply #55 |
71. Bush hardly had full GOP support |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #55 |
73. Bceause... |
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brentspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. FDR, as leader of the Democratic party, maintained and expanded his party's Congressional majority |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:04 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #56 |
102. Deleted message |
cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:25 AM Response to Reply #4 |
69. Grayson is most definitely not a 100 |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:36 AM Response to Reply #3 |
20. I agree... |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #20 |
52. So when Obama said he would change how Washington works he lied? |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:33 AM Response to Reply #2 |
16. I agree |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:05 AM Response to Reply #2 |
57. That's not true. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
6. Since about 2006, it's gone from "Hold your nose" to "Grab your ankles". |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
8. The endless stream of "Obama bad" threads continues. |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:24 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Go to the GDP. You will see the fantasy you seek! nt |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:29 AM Response to Reply #11 |
13. DU's manufactured outrage machine runs 24/7. |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:31 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Why today? Because I read some stories about people being locked up for 5 years..... |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:38 AM Response to Reply #15 |
23. AND IF YOU READ IT.... |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Your snarky tone is telling.....are you saying no one has been held without trial or charges??? nt |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:43 AM Response to Reply #26 |
30. you simply don't know how washington works and.... |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:49 AM Response to Reply #30 |
34. When Obama was running he never said..... |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. So you are saying.... |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. No, I am saying Obama starts always from a weak position...... |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. a weak position.... |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:00 AM Response to Reply #44 |
48. Jesus, is that web site all you have? Done with you. Go back to GDP! nt |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #48 |
51. oh yeah.... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
83. Actually, that site should be named |
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Donnachaidh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. thank you! n/t |
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TheKentuckian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #30 |
43. Some of them on trial, never all. Obama tried to thread the needle |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:57 AM Response to Reply #30 |
79. If he couldn't bring them to trial he did have the authority to order their |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:33 PM Response to Reply #30 |
95. Complex issues........... |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:44 AM Response to Reply #15 |
31. Funny you don't mention that article or even provide a link to the article |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:52 AM Response to Reply #31 |
38. LOL....so you do not think there are ANY articles about...... |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:57 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. You said you read the article TODAY. |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #42 |
61. You are right. No articles talk about people being detained with no trial. My bad. nt |
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JoePhilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:37 PM Response to Reply #61 |
113. Just provide the link to the one that set you off TODAY, that is all I have asked. |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
9. So we should settle for 'center-right or far-right'. |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #9 |
25. can you honestly say that... |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
91. Actually, we WON by insisting on a center-left candidate. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:24 AM Response to Original message |
10. Is he even running in 2012?.... |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
14. Obama was the furthest-left Dem who could get corporate approval. |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
96. Great post! nt |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:34 AM Response to Original message |
17. Deleted message |
VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:35 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. So you would rather have the GOP win? |
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dennis4868 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:40 AM Response to Reply #18 |
27. yep.... |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
28. True. The problem is Obama, and moreover, the Dem operatives sold us out. |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. I also told them I am done. I will donate money to real dems, even if they cannot win. |
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xchrom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:46 AM Response to Original message |
33. neo-liberals in the democratic party present a distinct problem for progressives. |
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Zorra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
36. No real primary system. The plutarchy picks their candidates, gives them |
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Catherina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
46. The Democratic Party has a big problem on its hands n/t |
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Edweird (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:00 AM Response to Original message |
47. Except for the fact that Obama campaigned as a Liberal. Which makes your premise bunk. |
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Poboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:02 AM Response to Reply #47 |
54. This is his lasting crime against us. He has poisoned the resistance. |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. My guess: Whomever does the best impression of Candidate Obama, circa 2008, will win. |
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Tesha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
50. Quite frankly, I don't believe that. |
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SoutherDem (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
53. Lesser of two evils |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
60. My guess: Whomever does the best impression of Candidate Obama, circa 2008, will win. |
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VoteProgressive (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:15 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. True. I will admit I drank the koolaid. Feel stupid now. nt |
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Poll_Blind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:20 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Meh. I mean, honestly, what reasonable person would have thought that he was so full of shit? |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:20 AM Response to Original message |
65. Anything can happen, look at Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, tightly run ships all of them. nt |
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ncteechur (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:21 AM Response to Original message |
66. Then you hoped Obama was what YOU wanted him to be rather than what he said he was. |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #66 |
74. When he said he'd close Gitmo, I thought he meant the concession stands |
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SoutherDem (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:23 AM Response to Original message |
67. FDR vs. Obama |
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Recursion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:36 AM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Oddly enough FDR was accused of selling out to corporations |
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steelmania75 (836 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:24 AM Response to Original message |
68. Bernie Sanders should challenge Obama. If not, support Nader. |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:41 AM Response to Original message |
75. WHY cant you see a 'real' liberal winning? |
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SoutherDem (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 12:36 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. Because America is Moderate |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 03:31 PM Response to Reply #86 |
104. There is no middle in a two party system |
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SoutherDem (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:29 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. Deluded I may be |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:50 AM Response to Original message |
76. Obama is a self fulfilling prophesy |
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Shagbark Hickory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:53 AM Response to Original message |
77. I doesn't matter what you think, buddy. Everybody knows the dems will vote for him |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
78. If only he had one liberal cell in his body. |
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Night Crawler (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 11:58 AM Response to Original message |
80. You go to war with the army you have |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:54 PM Response to Reply #80 |
99. +1 nt |
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Vinnie From Indy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
81. Yeah, and Hosni Mubarek never dreamed he would be toppled |
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grahamhgreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
82. 81% of Americans want to tax the rich, 63% out of Afghanistan, etc.. Whoever runs on these can win. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 12:16 PM Response to Original message |
84. Obama is not the most liberal guy that can be elected. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #84 |
101. The choice is between a slow slide to perdition |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 04:46 PM Response to Reply #101 |
107. But the destination is the same. |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 06:51 PM Response to Reply #107 |
114. Yes. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 07:32 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I'm long past that delusion. nt |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 12:37 PM Response to Original message |
87. Who cares.. |
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TNLib (683 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:15 PM Response to Original message |
89. I'm in agreement with mostly because he is the incumbent |
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Enthusiast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
92. I wish Obama was a moderate Democrat. |
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Autumn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:44 PM Response to Original message |
97. He's not a liberal. He will be elected in 2012 |
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K8-EEE (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
98. + 1,000,000. Electoral college favors The Baggers and we can't win with Liberal |
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dkofos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
100. Bullshit. |
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alarimer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 03:20 PM Response to Original message |
103. Newsflash: Americans ARE liberals, by and large. |
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StarburstClock (583 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 03:37 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Very well said! |
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Ramulux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:33 PM Response to Reply #103 |
109. Hell yeah |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:42 PM Response to Reply #103 |
111. Explain how Russ Feingold lost then |
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Avant Guardian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 03:34 PM Response to Original message |
105. Obama openly shuns liberals, liberalism and Democratic traditions and values |
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SoutherDem (317 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:41 PM Response to Original message |
110. It is all your perspective. |
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lib2DaBone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-27-11 05:43 PM Response to Original message |
112. If you are waiting for Obama to stand up and be DEMOCRAT.. |
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