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davidswanson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:36 PM
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Our Billion Dollar Turd Sandwich
So President Obama has been quoted calling his war in Libya a turd sandwich, while Juan Cole calls it philanthropy, and Ed Schultz praises it as vengeance against this month's Adolph Hitler. The last time we bombed this particular Hitler we took out his daughter, among other people.

How is Schultz's spitting mad hatred as war justification squared with Cole's humanitarian generosity? The answer is easy. They prefer different condiments on their turd sandwiches. Which is why wars are always packaged in multiple and mutually contradictory propaganda campaigns.

Obama's advisors are almost certainly telling him that LBJ and Nixon were right to be terrified of "losing" a war. Of course refusing to "lose" a war cost both of them the presidency. Bush refused to "lose" in Iraq for years, handed that function to Obama, and credit for it is about all Obama has to ride on now. Two-thirds of Americans are demanding that we hurry up and "lose" in Afghanistan. Pollsters say Americans have turned against the Libya war faster than any previous war. And all Obama wants to know is whether he can supersize his turd sandwich.

This is the madness of militarism of which that gentleman spoke whom Obama told us had been wrong back in Oslo when the 2009 Nobel Peace Prize was being pissed on -- to continue the theme of human waste. "I never intend to adjust myself to the madness of militarism," said King. That's OK, though, because it adjusted to him. A gun took him out, and a whitewashed history erased his opposition to wars and plutocracies.

That's the logic to be found here: might makes right. War is peace. Non-combat troops do battle with armed civilians. Military aid is our leading charitable organization.

A UN resolution means we can disregard Congress. You go on recess, you lose. The war's already started now. In fact, we've already declared mission accomplished. So, like Guantanamo and Iraq and investment scams and health insurance abuses, it's "over." So, don't try to stop it! And if you do, warns Hillary, we'll ignore you, just like my husband did a dozen years back. Then you'll be as irrelevant as the UN in 2003, until we have a use for you.

Congress isn't even needed for funding. The Pentagon has paused in its eternal screeching lamentations of poverty and near financial collapse to launch a billion dollar turd sandwich with its pocket change, in the same moment when the GAO spots another $70 billion the military has flushed away. And Obama has secretly directed the CIA to feel free to secretly arm the Contras -- I mean the Rebels. Times might be tough, but an "intelligence" operation has enough spare cash lying around to arm an army sufficient to take out another army that we helped arm in the past (the past being a couple of months ago).

So the UN gets us around Congress, and the CIA gets us around the UN. But how is it still "us"? Isn't it just Captain Peace Prize and Ed "I just swallowed a turd sandwich" Schultz? Or won't it be soon? If we put the top guy at the CIA in charge of the military and the military's star spokesgeneral in charge of the CIA, who'll remember they aren't the same thing? Probably the same 0.01% of Americans who notice that the War Powers Act doesn't let presidents have wars for 60 days no matter how many times that horseshit is stuck between two slices of wheat bread. Or at least the 0.01% of THAT crowd who notice that the same bans on warfare apply even when it's merely a kinetic military activity in support of an overseas contingency operation.

When it comes to believing your own overpriced lunch doesn't smell, probably nothing tops the process through which war propagandists come to believe that taking out a single person will establish peace. How'd that work in Iraq? Demonizing one bad dude is wonderful propaganda for yahoos, but one bad dude only controls people who are willing to be controlled, and there are good chances they have motivations other than personal devotion.

Gadaffi's strength is his nonsensical claim to opposing empire. Attacking him with imperial weapons is the ideal way to empower him to the greatest extent possible, and to empower any movement that survives his martyrdom.

Investment in weapons and bad governments is destroying the U.S. economy, and the U.S. government claims to be broke. Dumping more dollars into the same hole is the ideal way to further the collapse.

We call the result winning the future.

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David Swanson is the author of a book that was written with the purpose of avoiding having to explain any more war lies: http://warisalie.org
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:50 PM
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1. Obama couldn't even keep his proxy war a secret for 2 weeks.
And then makes a god damn remark like that. To call this whole thing an absurd french circus would be a complement.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:54 PM
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3. See #2.
Btw, does OC stand for Orange County?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:54 PM
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2. Apparently Qatar and UAE are going to foot the costs.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:57 PM
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5. Oh fucking please with that.
Edited on Thu Mar-31-11 12:01 AM by The_Casual_Observer
How many more shoes have to drop??? What do you think the CIA does, give dancing lessons to the children?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:06 AM
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8. Nope, but have you seen what Gaddafi has done to children?
I NEVER paint with a broad brush - I see pros and cons, good and bad.
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The_Casual_Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:10 AM
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10. It would be hard to know what he's done now that information is being
controlled by the CIA wouldn't it?
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:21 AM
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12. And how exactly is the CIA controlling information from Libya?
Please explain.

And please tell me if Richard Engel and all of the journalists in Libya are being controlled by the CIA?

Because from the many, many reports I have read, it is Libya that is trying to control the information.

And if you are going to comment, make it intelligent.



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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 02:08 AM
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18. you have to ask about information control in wartime & house journalism?
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:06 AM
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21. Recced. Your move tabatha.
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tabatha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:23 AM
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13. Btw, explain this as well
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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:28 AM
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22. any number of explanations as to why these paragons are saying this now &
not, say, three years ago, or during earlier human rights violations by khaddafi.

and they all have to do with politics. african politics, big power politics, global politics.
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Luminous Animal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:04 AM
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20. The U.S. murdered 500,000 children in Iraq. Madeline Albright said the no-fly zone was worth it.
Like you and Albright, Gaddafi sees pros and cons, good and bad.
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frylock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 02:39 PM
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33. dumped them from incubators?
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Initech Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:56 PM
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4. "Billion dollar turd sandwich" is probably the most apt description I've heard so far.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:56 AM
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15. But so far, really good PR.
I've followed a whole lot of Muslim activists on Twitter since #iranelection and then the Egyptian uprising. Wrong or right, they wanted the intervention. These are opinion makers with huge followings.

Do we need that goodwill in that area? ESPECIALLY since we were such good buds with Mubarak? YES. WE DO.

The truth of it doesn't matter nearly as much as the appearance and the impression.

All of you thinking it was the oil. Sure. Always. But what good is the oil if the people who will be running those countries for the next fifty years hate our guts? And we will need to be making new agreements in Egypt, Tunisia...we need to look like we tried to be honest brokers even if it doesn't work.

Really one dimensional thinking to think it was only the oil.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:42 AM
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23. Did you warn your friends on Twitter ...
that "the truth of it doesn't matter nearly as much as the appearance and the impression". Truly one dimensional chess if you didn't.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 01:18 PM
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30. That's right. It's also the water. n/t
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midnight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-30-11 11:59 PM
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6. Collapsing the future would be about the only thing that makes sense
with the economy the way it is.
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:05 AM
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7. I'm bookmarking this one! Wow! Right on!
I couldn't listen to any of the M$M hype tonight...I had it with Ed Schultz last night. And, he's not the only one. I cannot understand how Ed can passionately support the unions in WI saying that the government has gone over the top putting fiscal drain on the people and then support the war du jour. Doesn't he realize he's advocating for a bigger burden to be placed on our backs? Even worse, he's obviously for further draining of the treasury therefore eroding what's left of the safety nets in our country. This war will make it ever so much easier for the repubs to cut,cut,cut until there's nothing left to cut. imho

I don't think we (the U.S. ptb) know who the rebels really are. Well, Ed certainly informed me last evening that the rebels are like all of us: just people who want freedom! Certainly some do but at what cost? Our country? Then, we're no good for anyone including ourselves.
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Starry Messenger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:08 AM
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9. k&r
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:11 AM
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11. Maybe the lesson is that there is no "winning" a war.
One can only survive through it and pick up the pieces when it's over. Any pronouncement of winning is only bittersweet at best.
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bindelh Donating Member (162 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 12:28 AM
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14. “We’re not ruling it out or ruling it in.”
It's regime change on a massive scale over 5000 miles long. W or Dickus could never have even dreamed about this massive an operation affecting change in the Middle East and North Africa at the same time.

Have Special Operation Forces aka ODA's been sent in? Maybe perhaps time will be the tell on this overt Obama doctrine operation.

Has this upset the Rethuglicans? YOU BET!!

Was the CIA already there or is there now? Ding ding ding You win the prize for a correct answer.

Talk about keeping the oil out of Russian and Chinese hands. Been the US and Allies policy since the Russian Revolution. Look it up.. educate yourself..

)a US supplied entire Allied Oil requirements during WWII.

)b US supplied rebuilding of German and Japanese economy etc to stave off Communist influence and thus kept them as allies to this day.

)c Us and Allies have kept control of Middle East Oil since before WWII and have no intention of relinquishing that control.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 01:29 AM
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16. OMG, thank you David! so glad to see your posts! still incredulous over Juan Cole

and Ed Schultz, btw - glad i'm not the only one who noticed all the warmongering.


Holy shit, has anyone caught Ed's interview with Jeremy Scahill, btw?? Who would've thunk Ed was such a total tool! It was intense, mad props to Scahill, and... i'll never take Shultz seriously again, his mask has come off, for me at least.

What is that they say about not being able to fool all the people, all the time?... :dunce:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 01:07 PM
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28. Juan Cole was a huge disappointment. Of course he's only one
of the many disappointments we've been seen the last two and more years. :-(
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:35 PM
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36. Agree. He could rant from now until the end of eternity
about being "on the side of the people" but I can never take him seriously again after that display.
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avaistheone1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 01:57 AM
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17. k&r
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Gravel Democrat Donating Member (598 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 02:41 AM
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19. Brilliant. k/r hope this is reposted everywhere



"Our country is now taking so steady a course as to show by what road it will pass to destruction, to wit: by consolidation of power first, and then corruption, its necessary consequence."
Thomas Jefferson


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Autumn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:09 AM
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25. Our Billion Dollar Turd Sandwich
Bon Appétit, Obama
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 11:10 AM
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26. ... now he has an idea of what we've been chewing on for 2 years ...
Turd sammiches, indeed.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 01:03 PM
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27. Excellent article! K&R
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QC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 01:13 PM
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29. That's not a turd--that's chocolate. Rich, creamy Belgian chocolate!
Don't let the stench and flies fool you!
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 01:20 PM
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31. The propagandists are ALREADY complaining about the "discipline and lack of training"
of the Libyan rebels.

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Distant Observer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 05:03 PM
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39. The "Allahu Akbar" rebels are now our darling children. We need to train and discipline, and set up
their little bank accounts as we send them off to the college of killing our enemies and running our
brand new puppet Gov in Tripoli.

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dionysus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 01:38 PM
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32. drivel.
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:15 PM
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35. +1
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:49 PM
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38. worthless disparaging remark.
typically :shrug:
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 03:11 PM
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34. It is always the same.
In 20 years, if not sooner, we will probably be back fighting those we arm today using our weapons against our weapons and our training against our training. Just more sustenance for the MIC. Over and over and we never learn as a country. Even as we do I am beginning to think changing it is impossible but we will try.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 04:38 PM
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37. Kick and rec. n/t
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-31-11 10:29 PM
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40. K&R
A POLICE STATE IS WHAT WE GOT. Dressed-up to look all "sweet & democracy" for the masses. But of course we knew that, didn't we???


- Ike wasn't warning us so much about the MIC as he was telling us its name so we'd know what to call it......
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libmom74 Donating Member (577 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-01-11 01:56 PM
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41. K&R
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