Where is Kucinich as Ohio passes Union busting legislation?

[apples and oranges]

Kucinich is missing in action as Ohio is set to pass a union busting bill that is even worse than Wisconsin's!!!!

He'd rather make appearances on Fox News calling for the impeachment of Obama while constituents in his own state suffer!

[MineralMan]

1. To be fair, he's not really involved with Ohio state legislation.

He has another job. You don't see US Congress members commenting much on what state legislators are up to. It's sort of just not done. Separation of powers and that sort of thing.

[Shiver]

3. Tammy Baldwin did here in Madison.

She came to at least one of the rallies.

Edit to provide proof, taken from tammybaldwin.house.gov.

Statement of Congresswoman Tammy Baldwin
On WI State Senate Vote to End Collective Bargaining for Public Employees
March 9, 2011

“Tonight's vote by the WI State Senate is sad and shameful. It demonstrates total disrespect for the law and for the people of our state. Our fight to reclaim our democracy is energized, not over.”

[apples and oranges]

5. Oh I see. Yet people demand that Obama go down to WI and OH

but Kucinich, a resident of Ohio, shouldn't have to? WTF!

[blondeatlast]

14. I didn't--and I don't think DK should either. It's a PEOPLE'S issue--

politicians should step back and figure out how to ride the coattails, not lead it.

[joeunderdog]

70. Yeah, but the PEOPLE can't draft or vote on the legislation like the pols.

How'd that work out in WI? And I hope no one's pinning their hopes on recalls.

Leadership means standing up for what you believe in. It won't hurt the cause--it'll only help it.

ps- (on edit) I love DK; I just don't understand the concept that political leaders should not take a stand on the politics of Union-busting.

[blondeatlast]

79. Stands are fine--but read thru the whole thread; the OP wanted him

to effing organize a rally... :shrug:

[OnyxCollie]

15. Dennis gave a short speech in Wisconsin

while Obama waited for Bo to bring him his comfortable walking shoes.

[apples and oranges]

A short speech? That's it??

[OnyxCollie]

He's a federal representative from Ohio,

not a Wisconsin congressman.

What the hell do you want?

Besides, what you asked is why Obama should be required to go to Wisconsin when Kucinich doesn't have to .

Dennis went to Wisconsin. Obama did nothing.

[apples and oranges]

27. It's fine. It just wasn't K's problem. Not sure what I

was expecting him to do. By the way, the union leaders urged Obama not to come.

[OnyxCollie]

30. "It's fine." and "Not sure what I was expecting him to do."

Sounds like you don't know what the fuck you're talking about.

So, why are you so interested in bashing Kucinich? Just following orders?

[apples and oranges]

32. Dennis can do no wrong. It's Obama who is evil. Carry on!

[OnyxCollie]

35. What a cogent response.

Thanks for the scintillating conversation.

[timtom]

73. +1 (nt)

[ReggieVeggie]

82. at least he showed up!!

[meow mix]

2. busily researching bachman conpiracys

important things

[blondeatlast]

4. Representing Ohio in Washington because Ohio has legislators doing the same in

the Ohio capital?

Just a guess--and lord knows I'm a disenchanted former DK supporter, but civics is civics.

[hayu_lol]

6. Dennis at the moment...

is jumping up and down in his highchair making a speech about Libya. Maybe its senior dementia on his part.

Diebold was in his district...he did nothing.

[OnyxCollie]

11. "Diebold was in his district...he did nothing."

Tell me when Obama's DoJ enforces their order for ES&S to diversify.

It's been a year now.

[apples and oranges]

19. It always goes back to Obama somehow

By all means, continue to make excuse after excuse for why Kucinich hasn't done anything for his constituents.

[OnyxCollie]

26. LOL!

You keep on ignoring the capitulation of the Obama administration and spreading the propaganda.

Maybe one day you'll be good at it.

[Ozymanithrax]

7. In the US Congress where he has not say or vote in the measure.

I don't particularly care for Kucinich, who I think is better at talking than doing anything, but he has not part in that fiasco.

[apples and oranges]

8. He could have helped to organize rallies

He could have done something, anything to support the people.

[blondeatlast]

9. Helped to organize rallies? Are you serious? He's a CONGRESSMAN.

He has to deal with trivialities like, oh, I dunno, WARS, AND A DESPERATE ECONOMIC SITUATION, AND RRREPUBLICAN RATFUCKERY.

Geez--and I don't even like DK.

[Wait Wut]

17. When was he elected President?

And, why is it okay for DK? Not that I remember you being one of the many DUers bashing Pres. Obama for not rushing off to WI to get involved in a state issue.

You may not like DK but I seriously don't trust him.

[blondeatlast]

21. I don't think DC politicos should get involved in grassroots issues too much, period.

Not Obama, not DK, not McCain (my senator) with the idiocies of my state leggie.

[Wait Wut]

50. Ah! You're stuck in AZ, too!!!

I would prefer that our state politicos stay out of politics altogether. But, yes, I agree with you. My DK comment was aimed at those that were wondering why the Pres. wasn't in WI with the protesters. I can just imagine the mass head explosion of our local teapers if Pres. Obama ever came to AZ to protest with any grassroots effort.

Wait...maybe we should rethink this. Would it make Brewer's head explode or does there need to be some substance within her melon, first?

[blondeatlast]

52. I remember when SB1070 Pearce said AZ would arrest Obama if he came here.

I SOOOOO wanted Obama to do so just in spite--I'm as much a hypocrite as the next guy, I freely admit.

[Wait Wut]

10. It must mean he hates unions.

I mean, what else could it be???? Hell, the publicity alone could bring him a few bucks for his campaign.

[blondeatlast]

12. Of course--why didn't I think of that? Silly, silly me. nt

[Ozymanithrax]

20. Well except for the rally he did for unions in February...

http://www.thenewstribune.com/2011/02/22/1554287/kucinich-locals-rally-for-union.html
or here.
http://grittv.org/2011/03/24/bill-fletcher-jr-dennis-kucinich-and-union-education/

"We have to change the balance here and the way you change the balance is a conceptual shift in what you see as the purpose of a nation. The purpose of a nation isn't to make the rich richer or to make the poor poorer, it's to make sure that you have a vibrant economy where there's room for everyone," says Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich.

Evidence does not support your assumption.

[Maeve]

13. He was at the Statehouse Feb 22nd, when we were locked out

And his place is in Washington, not Columbus.

[elocs]

16. Is Dennis Kucinich not a resident of Ohio? Should he not be as concerned as any Ohio resident

about what is happening in that state, his state? I'm assuming that he does vote in Ohio about such mundane things as referendums, council members, mayor, legislators, governor. Or are such things and state of Ohio affairs too trivial for those who live in the rarified air of Washington, D.C.? It would seem that some of those whose lives will be negatively impacted might just be his constituents.

How exactly is being a member of the U.S. Congress mutually exclusive from being concerned about what happens in your own state, even if it is for something as unglamorous as a state of Ohio matter? I would think that a man as well known and respected in Ohio would inspire those protesting against union busting. I would be very impressed if I were an Ohio Democrat if he was to do that.

Maybe that's not really as important as getting your name and words in the national media.

[Bluenorthwest]

74. Right above your post is a resident of Ohio who says

Kucinich was there the day of the lock out, then in DC where he belongs. Where in Ohio do you live? The Wisconsin part?

[demmiblue]

18. Dennis Kucinich on SB5 (Feb 22, 2011)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nacS4vSF6w

[demmiblue]

22. Thousands Descend on Ohio's Capitol in Protest of Anti-Union Bill (Mar. 9)

<snip>

"This is the most powerful attack on workers in our time. But is also raises the most important question of economic justice in our time," U.S. Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), who was at the rally to support protesters, told EconomyInCrisis.org.

"This really is important for everyone that cares about working people, whether it's union or non-union. This is about the essence of democracy."

http://www.opednews.com/articles/Thousands-Descend-on-Ohio-by-Dustin-Ensinger-110309-47.html

[apples and oranges]

24. Meh... He didn't take the lead. He attended a rally... doesn't look like the liberal hero

that some people say he is. If he can't take the lead on such a crucial issue in his own state, how would he be a good president?

[demmiblue]

28. You claimed he was missing in action. Clearly he wasn't. n/t

[Spike89]

31. He didn't help a little old lady cross the street either...

I don't think DK is presidential material, but I totally don't get the out of control attack. He's a US congressman, he should not be leading local protests. He should support the local folks, which he did, then continue working at the national level where his job is. Don't know what your problem is with DK, but the attack is without merit.

[apples and oranges]

33. My problem is he devoted more time to his appearance on Fox News

than he did to help the people of his own state. But since nobody else seems to have a problem with it, I guess its OK. Carry on.

[demmiblue]

34. You have been proven wrong. n/t

[slipslidingaway]

41. Video - Fox news appearance in support of the unions in Ohio ...

is that the appearance you referred to?

Dennis Kucinich on Fox News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=37FIRhcHafE

[demmiblue]

42. Lol!

Good one! :thumbsup:

[slipslidingaway]

84. ....

:hi:

[apples and oranges]

45. Nope. This one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w3G_7gpeJQ8
and this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxnZB5iVg8A&feature=related
And speaking on Fox News did absolutely nothing to stop the bill from passing in Ohio. He should have been on the ground in Ohio, fighting with the workers to stop the bill from going through.

[Union Scribe]

80. You. Just. Got. Fucking. Owned.

[mod mom]

37. Who needs facts when there's hate to dish out.

One of those "consider the source" posts. Thanks for providing the link! :hi:

[demmiblue]

40. YW!

"One of those "consider the source" posts." In more ways than one, methinks. ;-)

:hi:

[CrossChris]

23. If someone told me this site was set up solely to bash Kucinich, I would not be surprised.

It doesn't even seem real.

[apples and oranges]

25. Do the posts that bash Obama bother you, or just

the ones that dare question Kucinich?

[CrossChris]

58. Some definitely, but most seem to be coming from the left, over Bush's policies he's kept in place

The criticisms of Kucinich that come from--I guess the "center?"---read like Rovian talking points. Never any substance, and always some character smear that gets repeated by the same group of posters.

Weird.

[Union Scribe]

83. Does it bother you being a hypocrite about it?

[Davis_X_Machina]

29. Rather the opposite. The 'D' in DU stands for 'Dennis'.

Count the threads in a month calling on him to mount a primary challenge to Obama.

It's never less than a dozen. After any remotely controversial event, it's three or four a day.

[CrossChris]

59. I've never seen any of those. Maybe the DK bashing is a backlash to those.

All I've seen here are the threads that throw character smears at him any time he stands up to the Blue Dog wing of the party. Which gives a clue as to where they might be coming from.

[Name removed]

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[L. Coyote]

36. You realize he is in Washington DC, working as a Congressman, not in the Ohio House?

Aren't you a bit confused about where he works?

[apples and oranges]

38. Kucinich sure gets a lot of leeway around here... Obama is expected to be everywhere

at once; but the guy who everyone says would do a better job doesn't have to do anything?

[NorthCarolina]

60. So THAT's what all this anti-DK stuff is all about. You slammed my Conservative,

so I'm going to slam your "Liberal". Neener...neener...nee..ner :crazy:

[Ignis]

64. Bingo.

[Starry Messenger]

68. You nailed it.

:thumbsup:

[doc03]

39. He is busy impeaching a Democratic President n/t

[OnyxCollie]

46. Supporting the Constitution.

Whether the President is Democratic or not is irrelevant.

Or, at least it should be.

For the zealots, it's all about party over principle.

[doc03]

47. Short man's syndrome n/t

[OnyxCollie]

49. Authoritarianism. nt

[zorahopkins]

44. He is Speaking TRUTH to POWER

Dennis Kucinich is doing what we does best.

Speaking TRUTH to POWER.

Why do you have such a problem with that?

[apples and oranges]

48. Yet the bill is still going through

All that "truth" he is supposedly speaking has done nothing for the people of Ohio.

[zorahopkins]

51. You Do Realize That He Was Elected To Hte US House?

Please tell me that you realize that Kucinich was elected to represent the people of one Congressional District in Ohio in the US House of Representatives in Washington, DC.

And the TRUTH Dennis speaks to POWER is for the benefit of ALL Americans -- you (and the people of Ohio) included.

[Shiver]

53. I'd prefer it if he worked on gathering support to pass legislation.

Talk is cheap, and it's all I've seen from Dennis. I agree with a good portion of what he says and what his positions are, but I'd rather have someone who made stronger attempts to get something done than simply standing up and talking about what should be done.

[zorahopkins]

55. "Talk Is Cheap"

Not all talk is cheap.

Talk that speaks TRUTH to POWER is not cheap at all -- it is vital to all Americans.

Especially when so few want to speak the truth to power.

[Shiver]

57. It becomes cheap when nothing is done after the talking.

Speaking truth to power is all well and good, but if you don't have the means to enact the support, then all it is is talk.

[MuseRider]

62. Talk is never cheap

it makes people think and that is how people become educated. He talks of things that will not get support in this environment but causes people to think about changing the environment we are in.

When TPTB shut him out he goes where he can be heard. Don't like it? Too bad, he is doing part of his job.

As for Ohio, so far the people have been happy enough to elect him so I would guess he is doing his job just fine and dandy as far as they are concerned.

[Shiver]

66. I don't mind that he talks. I encourage him to do so.

But talk becomes cheap when nothing is done to back it up. But you're right, the people of his district have elected him many times, so he must be doing something they like.

And I never said I didn't like it. I just don't succumb to the Kucinich-worship that other people seem to subscribe to here. I love what he has to say about a lot of things, and agree with him on many, but I'd prefer to see it backed-up with stronger legislative efforts. That would be the other part of his job, which I feel has been neglected.

But hey, I'm not one of his constituents. My opinion on him matters as much as my opinion on any Representative that is not Tammy Baldwin.

[rubberducky]

54. It seems that DU is in a very nasty mood today. Talk about piling on!

[Zorra]

56. Pathetic attack, displaying no knowledge of Rep. Kucinich's relatively recent appearances

and speeches in defense of labor in Ohio and elsewhere.

BTW, Rep. Kucinich is a US Rep, not a State Rep.

Regardless of this fact, he has been far more active than most Federal Legislators in his outspoken support of labor.

Some of this support has been televised on national television, including adressing the issue in Ohio over a month ago.

Try a search engine. They can lead you to a great deal of credible information on the internet.

IMO, it is always wise to do research before posting.

Otherwise, one could end up appearing very ignorant to informed readers.

[hayu_lol]

61. Dennis has kept his position in the Congress for about 17 years...

he was put into office, and kept there, for the most part by UNION voters.

Since his home district is being eliminated, will he then change to the Repug Party? His speeches of late show that sort of tendency.

[MuseRider]

63. "Since his home district is being eliminated, will he then change to the Repug Party? "

"His speeches of late show that sort of tendency."

WTF? THAT is what you hear? Really?

[Zorra]

69. When pigs fly maybe. Sorry, but...no. If you really believe that,

I can't help but feel really sorry for you.

[slipslidingaway]

85. ****** Bingo ****** n/t

[Name removed]

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[blondeatlast]

67. You could just have shortened it to S.O.P.

for the poster and you'd still be correct.

[Fire Walk With Me]

71. I love Dennis, but he's gotta get back there and take this apart.

Indeed, priorities.

[Bluenorthwest]

72. He's been there, not missing, he spoke and the works

So what you post is not even true. Does that matter to you? Honesty? And I'm sure others have explained to you that he is a United States Representative, not an Ohio State Rep.
I also note you do not live in Ohio. Have you even been there during this debate?

[ClarkUSA]

75. He's lining up more paying Obama-bashing gigs from Rupert Murdoch, what else?

It's a steady income, after all.

He's a Faux News favorite for their proxy attacks on President Obama. They can point to him and say, "See? Democrats think he's the Devil Incarnate, too. It's not just us teabaggers!"

[timtom]

76. Oh, this is rich!

"Darn it! DK tee's me off. I'll find some way to bring him down. He's done nothing."

I'm not even going to list the many things he's tried to initiate.

He has been a champion of the right way America should go for many years. A strong voice to whom few give heed. What has Joe "I'm a Zionist" Biden done? What had Nancy "impeachment is off the table" Pelosi done?

I guess DK just doesn't play three-dimensional backgammon very well.

[StarburstClock]

77. I googled "Kucinich sb5 ohio" and found page after page of links

I don't understand ignorant hit pieces that are easily disproved, was there an actual point you miserably failed to make?

[TheKentuckian]

78. Because conservatives are dishonest schmucks regardless of party.

Conservatives also despise liberals regardless of party.

A big tent usually means there is always plenty of elephant dung to clean up.

[ReggieVeggie]

81. has Kucinich called for Obama's impeachment?

this is news to me