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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:32 PM
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Blair's former Minister Accuses Bush of Treason by 9-11 LIHOP
Edited on Sat Sep-06-03 04:09 PM by protect freedom impe
The biggest story of the year in England, and a huge story
everywhere else in the world except the USA.


Amazing stuff here folks. TREASON is exactly what Blair's former Minister accuses Bush of.


READ this article - "The Chelshire Story" first, THEN read the commentary in The Guardian about the Meacher story, THEN read the article written by Meacher, THEN read the BBCNEWS report

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The Cheshire Story
And after the American media was done, nothing was left but a grin.

By Bryan Zepp Jamieson - 09/06/03
http://www.zeppscommentaries.com/Politics/cheshire.htm

more...........


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Meacher sparks fury over claims on September 11 and Iraq war

Fury over Meacher claims

Ewen MacAskill, diplomatic editor
Saturday September 6, 2003
The Guardian


"Michael Meacher, who served as a minister for six years until three months ago, today goes further than any other mainstream British politician in blaming the Iraq war on a US desire for domination of the Gulf and the world.

Mr Meacher, a leftwinger who is close to the green lobby, also claims in an article in today's Guardian that the war on terrorism is a smokescreen and that the US knew in advance about the September 11 attack on New York but, for strategic reasons, chose not to act on the warnings.

He says the US goal is "world hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies" and that this Pax Americana "provides a much better explanation of what actually happened before, during and after 9/11 than the global war on terrorism thesis".

Mr Meacher adds that the US has made "no serious attempt" to catch the al-Qaida leader, Osama bin Laden."

more......................

http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,1036588,00.html


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"This War on Terrorism Is Bogus."
(The other Guardian link is the story of the reaction to it):
GO TO -
http://www.guardian.co.uk/september11/story/0,11209,1036685,00.html



You really must read this. It's amazing stuff, particularly coming from a man who was a longtime Blair Cabinet Minister.

...

Was this inaction simply the result of key people disregarding, or being ignorant of, the evidence? Or could US air security operations have been deliberately stood down on September 11? If so, why, and on whose authority? The former US federal crimes prosecutor, John Loftus, has said: "The information provided by European intelligence services prior to 9/11 was so extensive that it is no longer possible for either the CIA or FBI to assert a defence of incompetence."

more...........


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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3085656.stm

Ex-minister attacks US over war

Former minister Michael Meacher has blamed the Iraq war on the US desire for world domination.
Mr Meacher also suggested the Americans might have failed to prevent 11 September as it gave a pretext for military action.

His comments come as Britain prepares to send more troops to Iraq to cope with the deteriorating security situation.

Mr Meacher was environment minister until three months ago and has already spoken out in opposition to the war, describing the case for it as an "uncertain fantasy".

more...........


Last Updated: Saturday, 6 September, 2003, 13:45 GMT 14:45 UK

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http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_364900,00050003.htm

US may have let 9/11 attacks to happen: Ex-UK minister
Associated Press
London, September 6

A former minister in Prime Minister Tony Blair's government suggested in a newspaper piece on Saturday that the United States may have knowingly allowed the September 11, 2001, attacks to happen so it would have a pretext for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Writing in The Guardian, former Environment Minister Michael Meacher said America's air defense response was inexplicably slow the morning four hijacked passenger jets destroyed the World Trade Center and crashed into the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field, killing more than 3,000.

"Was this inaction simply the result of key people disregarding, or being ignorant of, the evidence?" he wrote, referring to intelligence clues he said were ignored before the attacks. "Or could US air security operations have been deliberately stood down on September 11? If so, why, and on whose authority?" Meacher, who served as environment minister for six years before being dismissed when Blair reorganized his ministers in June, later told British Broadcasting Corp radio that he didn't believe the US government had planned the attacks.

"I don't think that we can conceivably say even that they allowed it, but when it actually happened, it was a very convenient pretext to put in place a plan for an attack on Afghanistan and Iraq, both of which are motivated by the need to get control of the remaining oil supplies in the world," he said. "It was an extraordinarily convenient pretext, that's all I am saying."

more.....................

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http://www.albawaba.com/news/index.php3?sid=257902&lang=e&dir=news


Former British minister: Iraq war due to US bid to control oil

06-09-2003, 13:37

Michael Meacher, who served as a minister in the British cabinet for six years until three months ago, blamed Saturday the Iraq war on a US desire for domination of the Gulf and the world.

Meacher also claimed in an article published in Saturday's edition of the Guardian that the US war on terrorism is a smokescreen and that the US knew in advance about the September 11 attack on New York but, for strategic reasons, chose not to act on the warnings.
The Britsh official said the US goal is "world hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies" and that this Pax Americana "provides a much better explanation of what actually happened before, during and after 9/11 than the global war on terrorism thesis".

Meacher added that the US has made "no serious attempt" to catch the al-Qaeda leader, Osama bin Laden. He also criticized the British government, claiming it is motivated, as is the US, by a desire for oil.

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http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-12763121,00.html

MEACHER BLASTS WAR AIMS

Former Government minister Michael Meacher has claimed that the war on terrorism is a "political smokescreen" to allow the US to dominate the world and its oil supplies.


Writing in The Guardian, Mr Meacher, who was environment minister for six years until June, argued that the US knew in advance of the September 11 attacks but did not act for strategic reasons.

Mr Meacher claimed that "the truth may well be a great deal murkier" than the conventional explanation that after September 11 the US launched a global war on terrorism, striking first at al Qaeda bases in Afghanistan and then, because Saddam Hussein was alleged to have weapons of mass destruction, going to war with Iraq.

He cited a document called Rebuilding America's Defences, written in September 2000 by neo-conservative think tank Project for the New American Century.
PNAC was set up by a group including Dick Cheney (George Bush's vice president), Donald Rumsfeld (defence secretary), Paul Wolfowitz (deputy defence secretary) and Lewis Libby (Mr Cheney's chief of staff).
The PNAC plan "is a blueprint for US world domination" which "provides a much better explanation of what happened before, during and after 9/11 than the global war on terrorism thesis," Mr Meacher writes.

more..........................

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http://www.muslimwakeup.com/archives/000198.php

September 06, 2003
Former UK Minister Michael Meacher Charges Bush Administration with Collusion in 9/11

In a startling article in today's Guardian, Michael Meacher, member of British Parliament and for the last six years, until his resignation three months ago, the British Environment Minister in Tony Blair's government, has written a scathing condemnation of the Bush Administration, charging it with collusion in the September 11th tragedy.

Until today, September 11th conspiracy theories, besides the main theory advocated by the US government that a band of cave dwellers in Afghanistan conspired to carry out the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, had been the domain of strange Internet websites, French authors, and the whisperings on the streets of many world capitals.

But no longer.

Now, an experienced politician who was at the highest levels of power in the UK, the staunchest ally of the United States in its war on terrorism, has--in no uncertain terms--accused elements within the US government of foreknowledge of the September 11th attacks and a determination not to stop them in order to implement a pre-planned agenda of domination in the world political stage, the invasion and occupation of Iraq being the most recent element on that agenda.

more..................


Here is a summary of Meacher's charges in the article:


* The blueprint for America's military adventures around the world was contained in documents prepared in September 2000 by the neconservative think tank, Project for the New American Century, which included Dick Cheney, Jeb Bush, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz, and other Bush luminaries as members.

* US authorities ignored advance warnings by at least 11 countries. The warnings included a list provided by senior Israeli intelligence that named four of the 9/11 hijackers, but none were arrested.

* Plans to crashland airliners into Washington buildings had been known since 1996. In 1999, one such intelligence report warned that "al-Qaida suicide bombers could crash-land an aircraft packed with high explosives into the Pentagon, the headquarters of the CIA, or the White House."

* The CIA had a long record, acknowledged by the former head of the US visa bureau in Jeddah, of issuing US visas to unqualified Saudi applicants for terrorism training in the US for the Afghan war. Fifteen of the hijackers had obtained their visas in Saudi Arabia.

* When Zacarias Moussaoui was arrested in August 2001, one FBI agent wrote that he may have been planning to crash into the Twin Towers. But the FBI turned down warrant requests to search his computer for information which may have led to other potential hijackers.

* Although the first hijacking was reported as early as 8:20 am on September 11th, no fighter planes were scrambled to intercept from Andrews Air Force Base until after the third plane hit the Pentagon at 9:38 am. This violated standard FAA procedures--Meacher quotes an AP report that between September 2000 and June 2001, US fighter aircraft were launched on 67 occasions to chase suspicious planes.

* Between September and November 2001, the US actually avoided capturing or killing Usama Bin Laden and senior Al Qaida leaders, despite having had many opportunities.


"The overriding motivation for this political smokescreen is that the US and the UK are beginning to run out of secure hydrocarbon energy supplies," Meacher writes. "By 2010 the Muslim world will control as much as 60% of the world's oil production and, even more importantly, 95% of remaining global oil export capacity."

Meacher concludes that "the 'global war on terrorism' has the hallmarks of a political myth propagated to pave the way for a wholly different agenda - the US goal of world hegemony, built around securing by force command over the oil supplies required to drive the whole project.

http://www.muslimwakeup.com/archives/000198.php
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:36 PM
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1. Is it the biggest story of the year there?
Edited on Sat Sep-06-03 03:40 PM by Stephanie
Can we hear from some Brits? How's it playing there? What's the response?
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barbaraann Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:38 PM
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2. Can you impeach a President for treason?
I'm just wondering how our legal system would handle this.
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nannygoat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:57 PM
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4. I hope treason is a high crime or misdemeanor! n/t
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Changenow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:57 PM
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5. If there were a congress willing to act.
But the thought of making Shrub accountable for all of his crimes is appealing. Imagine Shrub in jail for his crimes. Picture the little coward having to fend for himself. It makes me smile.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:28 PM
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6. Smile while you can. I'm afraid Tricky Dick Nixon has set the pace
for crooked presidents, which is that they don't have to go to prison. Pardon, prosecutorial discretion, selective enforcement, whatever, that is a low, low probability. I think our Founding Fathers had the stomach to impose, or accept, prison or even hanging for treason, even for a president. We are different today, probably better different in this regard, since those fellows were prone to whip out the duelling pistols, too.

KKKarl, on the other hand, faces direly different precedent, and is sloughing straight down the hall to the slammer. One of my happiest days is ahead, I just don't know the date. La, a surprise party lurks!
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:58 PM
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18. And the goal of the Clinton impeachment charade was to downplay
and trivialize it and render it powerless as a tool.

And we need to revive the statute for independent counsel. Investigate the fuck out of these fuckers (all the evidence is public already) and get them under oath--at which point they will surely lie.

Then impeach the bastards and try them as international war criminals. And no pardons. Ever.
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camero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 04:01 PM
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31. I hope I don't get burned for this
But I think the Constitution allows the death penalty for acts of treason. I could be wrong, though.
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 03:52 PM
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3. It absolutely is absolutely amazing
stuff.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:44 PM
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7. If Meacher were a US politician
I'd campaign for him.

Maybe he'll be the next Prime Minister of GB?

The truth about 9/11 is leaking out all over the place. No wonder whistle ass is going on TV, Sunday. The dam is breaking and someone has to try and plug the leaks. Blow hole's last chance....?

Am starting to feel a little more free these days. News like this, from this Meacher fellow, is like sunshine and fresh air. Ahhhh..
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 04:55 PM
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8. 10 hours so far!!
WOW! that is powerful!

LOOK OUT - the stuff is really hitting the fan this time

If they have a violent plan to save their asses, then this is a dangerous time.
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:13 PM
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9. more world news links
Edited on Sat Sep-06-03 05:15 PM by protect freedom impe
http://www.thedailystar.net/2003/09/07/d30907130365.htm

Sun. September 07, 2003

International



Ex-UK minister says
US may have let Sept 11 attacks to happen
AP, London

A former minister in Prime Minister Tony Blair's government suggested in a newspaper piece yesterday that the United States may have knowingly allowed the September 11, 2001, attacks to happen so it would have a pretext for wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
Writing in The Guardian, former Environment Minister Michael Meacher said America's air defence response was inexplicably slow the morning four hijacked passenger jets destroyed the World Trade Centre and crashed into the Pentagon and a Pennsylvania field, killing more than 3,000.


"Was this inaction simply the result of key people disregarding, or being ignorant of, the evidence?" he wrote, referring to intelligence clues he said were ignored before the attacks. "Or could US air security operations have been deliberately stood down on September 11? If so, why, and on whose authority?" Meacher, who served as environment minister for six years before being dismissed when Blair reorganised his ministers in June, later told British Broadcasting Corp radio that he didn't believe the US government had planned the attacks.


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http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co.uk/displayNode.jsp?nodeId=116097&command=displayContent&sourceNode=116095&contentPK=6941791

Terror used as smokescreen: Meacher
Gloucestershire Echo, UK - 11 hours ago
Former Government minister Michael Meacher has claimed that the war on terrorism
is a "political smokescreen" allowing the US to dominate the world and its oil ...


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Classical_Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:16 PM
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10. He is also accusing FDR!
Edited on Sat Sep-06-03 05:27 PM by Classical_Liberal
! I guess Hitler and Tojo were demonic american creations.

The US national archives reveal that President Roosevelt used exactly this approach in relation to Pearl Harbor on December 7 1941. Some advance warning of the attacks was received, but the information never reached the US fleet. The ensuing national outrage persuaded a reluctant US public to join the second world war. Similarly the PNAC blueprint of September 2000 states that the process of transforming the US into "tomorrow's dominant force" is likely to be a long one in the absence of "some catastrophic and catalyzing event - like a new Pearl Harbor". The 9/11 attacks allowed the US to press the "go" button for a strategy in accordance with the PNAC agenda which it would otherwise have been politically impossible to implement.

I think
it was more likely shocking incompentance, and the pnac hijacking the war on terror for their own purposes. Alot of the world trade center victims were republicans in brokerage houses. It would make absolultely no sense for Bush to allow them to die. Anyway, this lihop thing is not useful.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 05:46 PM
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11. You're being rational. Something Bush clearly ISN'T.
Bush will let anyone die if it suits his purposes or whims. We've seen this time and again over the last 3 years.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 06:21 PM
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13. What if they expected a hijacking and not the destruction of the WTC...
The players got played.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 06:55 PM
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14. Well they have admitted that they expected a hijacking
Remember Condi's trembling explanation about "conventional hijackings?" Still, they did nothing. Warnings of conventional hijackings of US planes require NO response by the fed. govt? They offered this as if it were an answer. Had we known they were going to fly planes into buildings, THEN we would have done something. Uh huh.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:01 PM
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15. Here's one of my all-time favorite DU Articles...
The Story So Far
May 29, 2002
By The Staff of The Bean Magazine

Part I - The Story So Far

In a certain large country to the west of one place and the east of another, an ambitious group of southerners manages to convince a large minority of their fellow citizens to vote for their presidential candidate, a compliant cretin with the morals of a rabid mink. Unfortunately, in a winner-take-all democracy this is not enough for him to win, so the mostly southern military obligingly sends in a few thousand illegal absentee ballots to tip the scales and the cretin's gutless opponent refuses to challenge him. ....

....

How much damage can this kind of nitwit really do on home ground? "A few casualties, sure," they admit, "but think what a pretext this will give us! A foreign attack on our great nation! Once again we will have a shadowy network of conspiratorial zealots across the world to threaten our security our very existence! Once again we will be able to assume emergency powers -- and then the sky's the limit!"

As the weeks of summer roll on, more intelligence comes in. The old friend is thinking about planes. For what isn't clear but (remembering the "how much damage can this kind of nitwit do?" scoff) the handlers decide to let the plane-related plans proceed -- no way the banana republicans will heighten airport surveillance, even though it's the most lax in the developed world.

The buddy's plan is bound, they think, to be a hijacking, which is always dramatic, and dramatic is what they're after.


More...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/02/05/29_story.html
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Eloriel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 10:51 AM
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29. Actually
it's your coincidence theory, "this lihop thing is not useful" which is unuseful.

Check out UnansweredQuestions and Center for Cooperative Research sometime when you have a week to research it.

Eloriel
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 06:06 PM
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12. check out the US embassy response to meacher
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:25 PM
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16. Kick
:kick:
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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 07:52 PM
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17. Observing the pieties
There are certain national pieties that, even in this day and age, are observed by the press regarding the presidency of the United States. Always assuming, of course, that the occupant of that office is not a Democrat). One of these is the presumption that anything remotely resembling the above set of suggestions and assertions is by definition a Conspiracy Theory and is to be dismissed as such, barring overwhelming evidence to the contrary and maybe not even then.

It's nothing to do with truth or facts. It's about the media's self-perceived role as Maintainer of National Proprieties. The rebuttal, "Why, that's nothing but a lot of conspiratorial hogwash!" will enjoy presumptive privilege to cancel all arguments to the contrary, however well-founded except under the most extraordinary circumstances.

That said, I'm amazed to see the chief LIHOP arguments presented in such a straightforward and common-sensical way in a journal with the credibility of the Guardian. It can only be attributed to a general opening up of things, at least in the UK, following the dismantling of Tony Blair's Iraq War credibility over the last week. I guarantee it won't be picked up over here, barring some new secret revelations in the Brit press; nonetheless it's pretty astonishing. Every little bit helps--and this is a pretty big bit.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 09:05 PM
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19. Most Kickable n/t
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CHIMO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:46 AM
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22. Who
Is going to drive a tank through a university campus?
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scottxyz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-03 11:47 PM
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20. {Deleted}
Edited on Sun Sep-07-03 12:01 AM by scottxyz
{Deleted}
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 01:39 AM
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21. We MUST keep this kicked
We should keep at least one thread about Meacher's story on page 1.


:kick:
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juajen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 02:04 AM
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23. Here's mine
:kick:
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 03:34 AM
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24. WOW
:wow:
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 04:08 AM
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25. Putsch=Bush?
Is this a new nickname, or something with historical significance?
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protect freedom impeach bush now Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 08:37 AM
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26. kick
kick for

IMPEACHMENT OF TREASONOUS BUSH PNAC CABAL MEMBERS
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Andy_Stephenson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 10:33 AM
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27. Kick
:kick:
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Mari333 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 10:39 AM
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28. kick
:kick:
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IkeWarnedUs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 03:31 PM
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30. do a Google for "Meacher"
This story is being covered on the UK, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, United Arab Emirates, India, Italy, Aljazeerah, Thailand, Jordan and Bangladesh.

Nothing in the American press.

Common Dreams had a link.

Public radio stations in NY (WNYC and WXXI), Oregon (OPB), Boston (WBUR), have the same article about Blair that includes this:

"Her attack followed an article on Saturday by former Environment Minister Michael Meacher, who left the cabinet in June, in which he said Washington had known about the September 11, 2001 attacks but done nothing to prevent them as they were a perfect pretext for embarking on a long-planned war to get access to oil."

We are a country in a bubble.

Kicking this so at least DU'ers will know about it.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 04:08 PM
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32. Kick
:kick: what perfect pre- speech food for thought
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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 05:41 PM
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33. Kick
:kick:
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shirlden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 06:13 PM
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34. Hooooray......
I am sure many in Europe have connected these particular dots a long time ago.,,,,,,but for those who have not .....this is a well written synopsis of all that happened.

:kick:
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WillyT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 07:28 PM
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35. Kick !!!
:kick:
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laconicsax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-03 08:01 PM
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36. Kick
:kick:
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