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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:28 PM
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Speaker Pelosi's daughter documents Christian right
PASADENA, California (Reuters) - Alexandra Pelosi, a documentary filmmaker and daughter of U.S. House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi (news, bio, voting record), had a big problem on her hands when making her new movie, "Friends of God," and it came from the Christian right.

When Pelosi, whose movie was backed by U.S. cable television network HBO, set out to explore the Christian evangelical movement widely credited with helping elect President George W. Bush, she had a difficult time getting anybody to open up to her.

"Forget my name. Forget HBO. It was hard to get people to talk to me just because I was from New York," Pelosi told Reuters in a recent interview in Pasadena, California, where she was presenting the documentary to television critics.

But eventually Pastor Ted Haggard opened his door to Pelosi and welcomed her. It was a perfect entry point because at that time Haggard headed the 30-million member National Association of Evangelicals from his church in Colorado.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070121/us_nm/pelosi_dc
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:30 PM
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1. "Pastor Ted Haggard opened his door to Pelosi and welcomed her"
That can't be good.
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:37 PM
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13. Nah, she's safe. She's a woman.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 11:23 PM
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14. Oh - that's right, I forgot (nt)
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aggiesal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:35 PM
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46. She offered crystal-meth, then he opened his door ... n/t
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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:35 PM
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2. Happens to many families. One will always drift off to follow cults.
This may hurt Pelosi in the long run.
Zombie avamgelists are proving themselves as foolish followers of false prophets.
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OKNancy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:55 PM
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3. ?
Her daughter is making a documentary film, that's all.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:57 PM
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5. She didn't covert or become an evangelical.
She just did a documentary on them. There's a difference.
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:12 PM
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17. she did a documentary on Bush-she didn't become a republican.
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knitter4democracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 05:56 PM
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4. Sounds like an interesting documentary.
Too bad it won't get shown. She used Haggard a lot, so that makes it sound like sour grapes or at least a bit nasty, even if she did it in good faith.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:01 PM
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6. Her problem was "I was from New York"? Makes sense to me cause every redneck in Alabama
was warned by their momma about evil, big-city women like from New York who would lead good-ole boys astray from the straight and narrow to heaven.
:sarcasm:
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:53 PM
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8. I've experienced it first hand
Edited on Sun Jan-21-07 06:53 PM by DoYouEverWonder
I play old time fiddle and when I go to festivals in rural areas, I've learned that it's not a good idea to admit that I grew up in NYC. People who were previously friendly, will just shut down has if they just found out they met the devil.

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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 08:32 PM
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12. Rather funny, since whenever a person makes a general statement
about a bunch of ignorant republicans not surprisingly being Southerners, the person making that statement gets in hot water ... and yet, as you say, the "southerners" suddenly lose their "hospitality" when you tell them you're originally from NYC ...
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:02 PM
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9. Actually, this doesn't surprise me at all...
While there is plenty of south bashing in this country, there is just as much "Yankee" and Northeast bashing going on as well.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 11:40 AM
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15. When I first moved to Texas, I actually had someone ask me if I was
a Yankee. I laughed in his face not knowing exactly what he was talking about and my response was, "I'm a Yankee fan if that is what you mean".

A New Yorker in Texas is sometimes like being a Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's court.
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Solon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 01:10 PM
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16. I'm in Missouri, a border state...
You're a Yankee here if you live in the northern half of the state, and a "Good ole boy" in the southern half of the state. I've been all over this state, and, to be honest, going to Branson is like leaving the state, really. This was before it became a hotspot. Let me see if I can put it this way, when I was in school, I learned about the Civil War, when my buddy from Jefferson county was in school, two counties south from me, he learned about the War between the States. This isn't to say that one is worst than the other, just different.
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frankly_fedup2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 06:29 PM
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7. I wish I had known. I have documented some unbelievably vial statements that have come out of
his mouth that were unblievable. He was live on the air then and there was tons of Information regarding Falwell since before the 2004 elections.

Unfortunately, I think the his Gospel Hour now is prerecorded so his handlers can edit out his slurs about NOW, (falwell calls them from behind his pulpit -- The national organizations of Witches), or Hillary Clinton (Hitlery Clinton), and the best was when he was having a day of pure hate in his heart for Democrats and made the statement, "If I passed a Democrat on the street and they were dying of thirst, I would not give them one drop of water . . . not one" (mummbling in the church). Falwell: "I mean it!"

Little things like the above were coming out of his mouth every week. He claimed he was afraid of the IRS. He claimed they only took his no-tax status away for one day. Then he changed his pulpit politics to not voting bluntly for the right but to vote "Christian," followed by that he would say, "and if you don't know what I mean about voting Christian then your one brick short of a load."

All of these and the archives use to be on his website but alas they have removed anything scandalous. Unless they have edited the tapes, each and every one, wouldn't the Freedom of Information Act allow one to obtain these actual tapes or the ability to watch them freely?

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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:22 PM
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11. FOIA does not apply to non-governmental agencies
Only info that they are required to provide to government agencies apply.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-21-07 07:08 PM
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10. The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party
is a great public informational website from Cornell University's Center for Religion, Ethics and Social Policy.
http://4religious-right.info/

Related links

"The Pentagon Unleashes A Holy Warrior" by William M. Arkin October 2003
http://www.truthout.org/docs_03/101703B.shtml

"Ten Things I Learned From The Pentagon's Prayer Team" by Jeff Sharlet January 2007
http://www.alternet.org/waroniraq/46262/

"America's Holy Warriors" by Chris Hedges January 2007
http://www.commondreams.org/cgi-bin/print.cgi?file=/views06/0103-59.htm



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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:24 PM
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18. Ted Haggard Says Evangelicals Have the 'Best Sex Life'
Former Evangelical President Talks Frankly About Sex in a New Documentary by Alexandra Pelosi
http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/story?id=2813078&page=1

Jan. 22, 2007 Much has been made of America's so-called religious divide, but few of the discussions and debates resemble Alexandra Pelosi's new film, "Friends of God."

"You know all the surveys say that evangelicals have the best sex life of any other group," he says.

In the documentary, Haggard asks an evangelical next to him how often he has sex with his wife. The man replies, "Every day." Haggard then explains that evangelicals have a lot of love and says to Pelosi, "You don't think these babies come out of nowhere?"



Pelosi came away from the experience with an understanding of how evangelicals affect the political sphere, particularly the presidential race.



"Evangelicals are the largest majority bloc in America. I don't think you can win without them," she said. "I think if you unified, you'll lose if they go against you. John Kerry learned that. Al Gore learned that, and Hillary Clinton will learn it."



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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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19. I just think I'm going to barf....
:puke:
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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20. Oh that poor woman
I feel sorry for his wife. Oh, just yuck. Yuck.

Mz Pip
:dem:
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HappyWeasel Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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25. That's the way STDs spread....
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 02:46 PM by HappyWeasel
You lie about your sex life and then pretend you are this saint.....not very good for public health.
But seriously, I predict this trend has already began to correct itself. Maybe the American system is working its magic.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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21. "Evangelicals are the largest majority bloc in America"
Bullshit.

Bull-f***ing-shit.

and nice recruitment technique...
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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31. Yeah, I was wondering about that when I read that too...
who says that they are the largest block and is it really possible to unify that group anyway. I think Rove was able to come close in 2000 and even more so in 2004, but they were surely not a bloc in the last election and I know they tried to bring them together once more and it did not work.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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37. The Gay Marriage thing...it made them unify and vote en masse
That's what made them crawl out of the bloody woodwork like the bugs they are in 2004...they tried it in Viginia in 2006 and doubly made sure 'them thar kweerz can't get the gay married!' The main reason that Webb won by only 7000 votes.

Rovian BS.

Boy, am I glad I moved to Virginia in 2005 so I could be one of those 7,000!
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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41. Please see post #22 below for correction of article. n/t
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jhrobbins Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 04:14 PM
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47. Huh?
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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32. I think Ms.Pelosi is doing some marketing there
Notice that it is ABC who had her on to say this.

YOY I included that because nothing that I hear makes any sense-on one hand you have this self promotion on a pro wrestling scale about how HUGE their numbers are and how much influence they have (Father Ted himself claimed that he was the head of a 30 Million strong organization and he, as well as other religous leaders, routinely reassured their followers that they were in high level contact with the White House and they had pencil sharpeners to prove it) BUT we also hear that church attendence is done.

Basically there is a real disconnect on how this story is being told. Alexandra appears to be marketing this to the faithful so they watch her show (I really hope they have promos for other HBO offerings :evilgrin: )
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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35. I'll download it sometime...
I mean get the DVD from Netflix...Yeah...that's the ticket.

:evilgrin:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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40. This quote is mistakenly attributed to Pelosi by ABC writer -
ABC showed film footage of Jerry Falwell making the claim. Jerry was promoting the propaganda with ABC's help by stating in the article that Pelosi actually said it. ABC - big liar. What a shock.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 04:23 PM
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48. Yeah, I think that's a Total Crock of Shit too. n/t
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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22. Putting aside the yuck factor for a minute...No..nevermind...can't
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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23. Haggard ought to know.
Edited on Mon Jan-22-07 03:49 PM by rocknation
And did you miss the 2006 elections, Mr. Falwell? I can't think of any other reason why Karl Rove wasn't on your "list" of politicians who learned about the power of the evangelical vote.

And I imagine Ms. Pelosi feel a little silly now, kind of like John Walsh during the Foley scandal.

:eyes:
rocknation
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HappyWeasel Donating Member (694 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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24. Yeah....pretty creppy.
I think we should cause a virus that sterilizies these freaks....then again, that's not the christian thing to do. However, I am confident that we will be able to beat the dominionist beast. Many americans know that if this one faction is allowed to control the entire country, American civilization will end. Also, just because you reproduce like cock roaches doesn't mean your offspring will be loyal. If this was the case, America may have not lived this long. Also, with liberal hollywood's connection to the liberal base, liberals have started to have children to in order to imitate their role models.
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jpgray Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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26. If the "taboo" provides the lion's share of your sexual excitement
The sort of straight-laced evangelical fear and shunning of sex could give you quite the stimulation, I suppose.
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galadrium Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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27. Is he talking about sex with his wife, or gay prostitutes? nt.
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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28. "Free" or "paid-for?"
"With" or "without" illegal drugs?

I imagine these makes a difference...
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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29. Your quote "Evangelicals are the largest .... Hillary will learn it"
Did you listen to the tape - that is spoken by Jerry Falwell - not Ms. Pelosi.

Please correct your post.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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34. In the article it states it was quoted by Ms. Pelosi.....
or is she just parroting Falwell's words. Either way they are both full of baloney.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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36. I'll admit that I didn't watch the video
the article makes it look like she said it in that it says "she said"

:shrug:
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DURHAM D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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38. Pelosi neither parrots or quotes Falwell in the ABC interview -
with regard to the Hillary slur. The ABC writer apparently doesn't know the difference between Falwell and Pelosi. Its right there in living color.

Pelosi should be really upset by this article - makes her look like she has picked sides in the Dem primary. For that very reason I listened to the tape, instead of just reading the article.
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Missy M Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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42. I listened to the tape and Falwell is indeed the one who makes...
that reference. I don't believe that statement, no matter who said it, is picking sides in the Dem primary. Pelosi came away from her experience quite influenced by the Evangelicals, it is very obvious. All she had to say about Ted Haggard was he's a real nice guy, not how hypocritcal he was. I wonder what her comment regarding teaching your children at a young age about religion, or they might turn to the more radical religions, was referring to. She is preaching at the end of her interview with Diane Sawyer and I hope she doesn't do that at the end of her documentary.
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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30. Was he referring to his sex life with his wife or with his paid-for male lovers?
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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33. Worth every penny they pay for it
Right, Teddy?
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bleedingheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 06:13 PM
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51. bwahahahaha
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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39. ...
:puke:
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tandot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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43. In other words: "My gay male prostitute is the best ever." n/t
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CurtEastPoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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44. That whole thing made me puke BUT Pelosi didn't say that last line Fat f**k Falwell did!
Falwell was about to pop out of that suit and HE smarmily proclaimed something like:

"Evangelicals are the largest majority bloc in America. I don't think you can win without them. I think if you unified, you'll lose if they go against you. Al Gore learned that in 2000, John Kerry learned that in 2004 and Hillary Clinton will learn it in 2008."

I don't know how to do the puking icons but major barf here.

Pelosi did just went on and on about how wonderful they (fundies) are and blah blah blah

Apple fell FAR from that tree, I suppose.
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Megahurtz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 04:31 PM
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49. Falwell just needs to STFU.
Why he ever gets any airtime is beyond me.
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 04:32 PM
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50. Yeah I see that now
I didn't watch the video. The article attributes it to her directly.

Welcome to DU :hi:
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-22-07 03:25 PM
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45. Is that the hidden sex life or the married sex life?
I mean seriously, all their preachers seem to have either a boy or girl locked up in the closet somewhere.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 10:29 AM
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52. Consider the alliances of organizations within the Christian Right
and the history of their development. Sometimes the truth is suppressed because of the source, never the less it is the truth. The Fellowship Foundation and RW evangelicals for instance.

"National Prayer Breakfast Masks Nazi and Fascist Roots" by Wayne Madsen May 2005
http://www.waynemadsenreport.com/scoops/christian_mafia.php
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ryanmuegge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 12:42 PM
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53. She's the same person who made that weak-kneed lovefest a few years ago..
The one where she was travelling with the Clown Prince on the campaign trail in 2000. Not a single difficult question was asked.

I doubt this will be any different.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:20 PM
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55. True. IMO she's "a piece of work" who doesn't mind the fact that
Edited on Tue Jan-23-07 02:25 PM by ShortnFiery
her mom, a Congress Woman, is a large part WHY she is getting nudged up the journalistic ladder. :thumbsdown:

Some crone on Washington Journal (I think it was Mark Allen) told of how the rest of the ole meany press corps wasn't sucking up to her as she would like. Well, Dear Leader called her "up front" and no one else received that honor on the flight. :eyes:

Oh Brother! Just like Mike Wallace's kid was a great disappointment, wait and see her take a spot on FOX News. :shrug:
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 02:17 PM
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54. Sounds like this is NOT an honest portrayal of evangelicals...
From the yahoo article: "Because she uses Haggard extensively and because she felt obliged to her audience to acknowledge the charges against Haggard, "Friends of God" could be viewed as an attack on the Christian right. It is the last thing Pelosi wanted."

:wtf:

Excuse me, but those lying hypocrites need to be exposed not catered to! :grr:
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-23-07 06:45 PM
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56. "Journeys with George" was horrifying: watching a bitchy frat boy
go mad--flinging oranges and spraying chewed, damp white bread across his face--made me realize he's a despotic madman worthly of Caligula
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