Huckabee Stands by 'Christ' Comment

[Newsjock]

Source: Associated Press

Mike Huckabee, a Republican relying on support from religious conservatives in Thursday's hard-fought presidential caucuses, on Sunday stood by a decade-old comment in which he said, "I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Christ."

In a television interview, the ordained Southern Baptist minister and former Arkansas governor made no apologies for the 1998 comment made at a Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Salt Lake City.

"It was a speech made to a Christian gathering, and, and certainly that would be appropriate to be said to a gathering of Southern Baptists," Huckabee said on NBC's "Meet the Press."

He gave the speech the same year he endorsed the Baptist convention's statement of beliefs on marriage that "a wife is to submit graciously to the servant leadership of her husband even as the church willingly submits to the headship of Christ." Huckabee and his wife, Janet, signed a full-page ad in USA Today in support of the statement with 129 other evangelical leaders.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/12/30/politics/p130534S82.DTL&tsp=1&type=politics

[msongs]

1. we must embrace christ - where have I heard that before from a candidate for pres? nt

[GreenPartyVoter]

2. *skin crawls*

[BeatleBoot]

3. He also thinks the world is 6,000 years old

And that God put dinosaur bones on Earth in order to "test our faith".

Total nut-job, this one.

[China_cat]

4. If he believes that then he's acting like his god...

lying to his followers.

[Exultant Democracy]

46. Maybe he has a tricky god who put all those fossils around on a larf.

[mcscajun]

5. Of course he stands by it. He hopes to win and hang the Ten Commandments

in the Oval Office, same as he did in his office as governor.
Doesn't believe in evolution, and thinks that the Commandments form the foundation of our system of laws.
That this man has even a half-way decent shot at the nomination chills me to the bone. :scared:

[iamjoy]

7. Who Cares If He Hangs The Ten Commandments

I am less concerned about him hanging the Ten Commandments in the Oval Office then in some of the other things he would try to do.

I mean, really, if you think about the ten commandments from a non believers perspective, they are inane at worst, but a lot of them are good stuff. Don't commit adultery. Don't steal. Don't lie. Don't covet. What's so bad about that?

It's actually believing that stuff that women must submit to their husbands I find especially galling. I really thought we'd moved past that, that even the religious people disavowed the women are inferior philosphy, like they've recently disavowed slavery.

[mcscajun]

12. It's not about him hanging the Commandment, it's about the mindset that wants to do that.

He's the whole religious extremist nutcase package ready to go.

[Chovexani]

19. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"

Really kind of puts a damper on religious tolerance.

[BearSquirrel2]

29. The more significant issue is

1st, our laws are patterned after English Common Law that predates the introduction of Christianity to Great Britain.

2nd, of the 10 only 3 of the commandments are actually illegal in any state.

LEGAL
1. Though shalt have no other gods before me.
2. Though shalt not make unto thee any graven image (not even christians believe this one).
3. Though shalt not take the name of the lord in vain.
4. Remember the sabbath day and keep it holy (again most christians ignore this as the Sabbath is Saturday).
5. Honor thy father and thy mother.
7. Though shalt not commit adaultery (That means you Giuliani).
10.Though shalt not covet. (Our society is virtually built upon violating this commandment).

ILLEGAL
6. Though shalt not kill.
8. Though shalt not not steal.
9. Though shalt not bear false witness.


Christians never seem to think about the religion they follow.

[iamjoy]

31. Not True

Adultery is illegal in several states, although rarely enforced in a criminal court. If it were, it would undoubtedly be challenged and the constitutionality of such laws would be called into question on privacy grounds. Although, if many of the Republicans have their way that could all change.

But that doesn't change the fact that in most circumstances, adultery is a violation of the trust a married person has in his/her partner. Sure there are exceptions, but in general an adulterer should be condemned - not for his/her sin against God but for the betrayal of a loved one.

As for honoring your father and mother - well, unless one's parents have been abusive or neglectful, they deserve to be honored and respected. Of course, how much this is rooted in Christian principles is questionable because Eastern cultures which are predominantly NOT Judeo-Christian seem to honor or respect their elderly a lot more than we do (at least, their elderly men).

Christians routinely make graven images - all those depictions of Jesus are a violation of the second commandment. All those renderings of Mary are too.

For the most part though, I think commandments 1 - 4 are pretty meaningless and the rest, whether illegal or not, are good rules by which to live.

[Igel]

35. The state I was born in used to have enforcement close to (4).

(3) and (7), too.

For a total of 6 of them. Actions, of course--you could think blasphemous thoughts all you wanted, as long as you didn't do a number of public things.

(1) was tough to enforce, since there was a recent tradition of religious freedom among English speakers ... claimed by the sect dominant, for a while, in the state.

(2) was chucked out pretty much long ago by most--but not all--Xian sects. Then again, so was (4), but who's worrying about details.

(3) and (4) I mentioned; (5) is hard to figure out. "Honor" in what way--take care of them in their dotage? Obey them? Say nice things about them? Wash their feet?

(6), (7), (8), and (9) are covered. (10) is also hard to make illegal: Rather like "lusting in your heart", it's not something that can be easily or readily observed. But actions based on (10) tend to be fairly well universally illegal, at least for the common joe and are covered elsewhere in the 10.

So of the 10, (1), (2), (5) and strictly speaking (10) weren't covered. Let's see ... my church would kick out reprobate members, many are sort of mini-theocracies, and mine was. They enforced (2), well, would have if anybody actually made a graven image to worship it. Other than that, it was the same as used to be enforced in Maryland: sabbath-breaking, blasphemy, adultery, theft, murder.... Odd, that: A church enforcing doctrinal law and there's only one difference with how the state I was in did things ... judged acceptable under the US Constitution. It's just that these were state laws, not federal, so it varied a bit. But most states went along the same lines. It's really enforcement c. 1783 that you have to look at, not what's enforced today.

[Chovexani]

36. You said it

I find the more fanatical they are, the less they actually know.

[LanternWaste]

44. Yup. We're just a legion of blind automatons.

"Christians never seem to think about the religion they follow."

Yup. We're just a legion of blind automatons. :eyes:

[pokercat999]

54. Gee makes you wonder, "put no other gods before me"

must mean that there are other "gods"? Is it saying that god is only in the mind of humans?

[Manifestor_of_Light]

60. But you can have other co-equal gods.

Read Mark Twain's "Letters From the Earth".

He points that out.

You could worship a whole pantheon of gods.

[ima_sinnic]

53. it says he believes a man in the sky handed over some stone tablets

no matter what's written on them, that in and of itself is evidence of total lunacy/delusion.

[HannibalBarca]

9. Wonder has Mike ever heard

of the Twelve Tables of Rome. Codified law long before JC ever went around turing water into wine detailing punishments and procedures that are, albeit at a basic level, similar to laws we have today(apart from one or two obvious ones). Or of the various constitutions that ancient greece employed that the Roman system was largely based upon. It always irks me when self righteous winguts parade around stating the world had no concept of morality or law before JC et al.

[momster]

56. Big Shock for the Chinese and Indians

They had several systems of law before JC ever set foot on water. Not to mention the Africans, the Central Americans, and the rest of the bloody world!

[nickinSTL]

58. not to mention the Code of Hammurabi...

c. 1780 BCE Babylon.

[Adsos Letter]

6. Lots of good stuff has been published recently...

about the dangers and agenda of the "Christian Nation" people on the Right...

I would submit the following excellent work (I just finished reading it over the holidays) for the same type of thinking which was popular with Progressive Christianity at the trime of the First World War:

The War for Righteousness: Progressive Christianity, the Great War, and the Rise of the Messianic Nation. by Richard M. Gamble

http://www.amazon.com/War-Righteousness-Progressive-Christianity-Messianic/dp/1932236163/ref=pd_bbs_sr_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1199058482&sr=1-3

I can't praise this book highly enough. While it is certain that the main assault on Church/State seperation has been coming from the Right over the last 4 decades, we need to remember that these assaults can also come, in different form, from the Progressive side of the aisle; Church/State seperation needs to be guarded against attack from whichever side it comes.

[GoddessOfGuinness]

57. We need to promote separation of Church and State...

as loudly as those protesting it.

We need to help fundies realize what they stand to lose when they wallow in ignorance. Maybe we should start a collection plate.

[Demeter]

8. Christ Really Doesn't Want This Country

as would be intuitively obvious to the casual observer. I leave the proof to the class.

[LiberalFighter]

40. If he did he would had declared the US a Christian country in the Bible.

[ima_sinnic]

55. bwahaha! good one! (wiping off monitor)

:thumbsup:

[and-justice-for-all]

10. That's it moron...

keep showing us your Theocratic Dominionist face, it will surely end your political career.

[wtmusic]

45. Theocratic dominionism is somewhat in vogue

I'd have to hope it would end his career but these days I'm not so sure.

Maybe he'll ticket with Ann Coulter and set about "finishing" Jews. :crazy:

[and-justice-for-all]

51. right...

but the more they display this agenda of religious dominence, the more people will fall away from them. The majority of this country is secular, be it liberal religious folk or non-religious folk, the majority does not want to live in a Theocracy.

[Swagman]

11. yes..but does Christ stand by it ??

:shrug:

[scarface2004]

13. take this nation to zippy the pinhead!!!

you asshole!!

[fascisthunter]

17. lol (nt)

[olddad56]

14. don't we have a 'compassionate Christian' president now. That is working out well.

[OKDem08]

15. Christ as a campaign tool...

I have had it with these lying, hypocritical MO FO's! His political demise will be a delight to witness.

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

16. Does that mean by force, if necessary?

Is the auto da fe coming back in style?

[TheWatcher]

47. Auto Da Fe, What's an Auto Da Fe?

It's What You Oughtn't To Do, But You Do Anyway.....



Sorry, couldn't Resist. :)

[fascisthunter]

18. "I hope we answer the alarm clock and take this nation back for Allah."

how does that sound? Any different? Exactly...

[LaStrega]

20. submit graciously to the servant leadership ...

over my dead body

I can't wait to see this twat's campaign implode

[Adsos Letter]

21. if he wins...

will we all have to submit to "discipling?" 'Cause I've seen that in the AOG, and I'm not real hot on it...

Just sayin'...

[LaStrega]

23. your sig says it all

:hi:

[KamaAina]

22. And why do you suppose the SBC was meeting in Salt Lake City in the first place?

In a television interview, the ordained Southern Baptist minister and former Arkansas governor made no apologies for the 1998 comment made at a Southern Baptist Convention meeting in Salt Lake City.

They were there for no other reason than to try and convert* as many Mormons as they possibly could. :eyes: So, when Schmuckabee bleated about "taking this nation back for Christ", he clearly didn't mean the Christ in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

That places the ball squarely in Mitt Romney's court. :popcorn:

[DRoseDARs]

24. Considering "this nation" was never Christ's to begin with... n/t

[Hardrada]

25. The clergy is to pray, the peasants are to work and the nobles

are to protect all. The king grants fiefs to the high aristocracy. Now THAT is maybe what Huckabee was getting at.

[msongs]

32. the clergy is to prey, the nobles are to steal and the peasants are to die nt

[Adsos Letter]

33. Ah yes, that medieval tri-partite division of society...

where the church and the king get to argue over who is boss...

[humbled_opinion]

26. He is the reason for the season right? ,,,

What would Jesus do?:bounce:

[Sam Ervin jret]

27. So no women, I guess, in a Huck administration. Stay home where you belong.

Under the RULE of your HUSBAND and/or father.

At least until the "rapture." Then if you've been good, up you fly!(or disappear, They are still unclear on that) OR down here you stay if you've been BAD to fight the Third WORLD WAR (which they have been working toward starting and praying for the beginning of.)

Remember the Evangelical time line 1.WWIII 2.escape of the born agains to the "rapture seats in heaven" 3. Fight between good and evil between the rest of humanity left behind (and best of luck to you faithless, non-God fearing liberals.)

Yep. He's got my vote.

[BearSquirrel2]

30. I am curious though ...

I am curious though. If Huckabee stands by this tenent, does this mean he expects Hillary to do whatever Bill tells her if she actually wins?

[Sam Ervin jret]

49. It means, if he spoke the truth of his faith, he does not believe she should even be running.

[Akoto]

28. To take it back implies that Christ once had it.

Do the Bill of Rights and the Treaty of Tripoli not exist for these people, or what?

[BreweryYardRat]

34. So Huckabee completely opposes the founding principles of America.

Good to know. That should (hopefully) keep him away from the candidacy.

[rucky]

41. I don't think he's even aware of them. n/t

[daleo]

37. If Huckabee is serious, he should get Christ to run as his VP

I might consider the ticket then.

[Wise Doubter]

38. He is sooooo done !!

:evilgrin:

[intaglio]

39. I keep on being reminded of the "Revolt in 2100" stories

by Robert Heinlein.

:scared:

[boricua79]

42. I don't care if you were talking to a Christian convention

it bothers me that you think we need to take this country back FOR Christ. I wouldn't mind if you're infused with Christian morals and those morals inspire you to work to bring common good. What bothers me is that you feel you need to take it back FOR Christ...not THROUGH Christian values...or THROUGH humanistic values, or whatever your philosophy. It's so arrogant to think we need to be "saved". It's that stupid arrogance of religious people.

[gratuitous]

43. So what would that mean, Mike?

Would we still spend over a billion dollars a day on weapons and death machines, or would you reform the budget to make sure that the hungry are fed, the naked clothed, and the homeless are sheltered? Would you lend money without any expectation of being repaid? Would you make friends with Al Qaeda and the Taliban, and other enemies who would do us harm? Would you be neither boastful nor proud? Would you not insist on your own way? How, exactly, would the wisdom of your administration be a stumbling block to the wisdom of the world?

I'd give a shiny nickel to any reporter with the moxie to ask even one of these questions of these phony candidates.

[NashVegas]

48. kick

..

[Sam Ervin jret]

50. He's just another Evangelical, who has the audacity to think he speaks for a philosophy he doesn't

even have the most rudimentary understanding of.

They all ran out of Jesus' words along time ago and just started making it all up after that. It makes for good theater.

My sister-in-law took my son to church one time when he was between one and two years old. (he was quite verbal and not in the least trained to be quiet in such places)
When it came time to pass around the collection plate at end of the service, he yelled out for all to hear, " YOU MEAN YOU HAVE TO PAY THESE GUYS?"

Oh yes my son, and well payed they are.

[and-justice-for-all]

52. As I stand by mine "NO PREACHERS FOR PRESIDENT!"

[Orsino]

59. Courageously taking a pro-Christ stance, and damn the consequences!

What a buffoon.