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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:16 PM
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Poll Woes for Bush
(CBS/AP) The four Democrats still officially seeking their party's presidential nod will debate Sunday for the last time before Super Tuesday, even as a new CBS News poll shows President Bush's approval rating slipping below 50 percent for the first time in that survey.

Some 47% of Americans now approve of the way the President is handling his job, while 44% disapprove.

The same poll shows a John Kerry/John Edwards ticket beating one headed by Mr. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney in the fall election, by a margin of 50 percent to 42 percent.

<snip>

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/09/politics/main598867.shtml
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:19 PM
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1. This is great news
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:22 PM
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2. kick
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schultzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:25 PM
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3. Rumor is that Chaney is going to be replaced by McCain and
I hope that does not boost the *
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Leilani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:43 PM
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8. I don't believe it.
Bush hates McCain & McCain hates Bush.

Besides, McCain would outshine the Shrub, & that could never be allowed to happen.

The Fundies hate McCain, but love Cheney. Cheney ain't goin nowhere.
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:16 PM
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15. Rumor, from where?
I haven't heard that rumor. And I have to say, I think its bull. I don't think Cheney's going anywhere, least of all to be replaced by John McCain. McCain's more likely to be Kerry's Veep than Bush's (although each incident is less likely than a pack of monkeys typing out Hamlet on the first try)
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:04 PM
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17. I bet Cheney enjoys pulling the strings
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truhavoc Donating Member (820 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:40 AM
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29. With a Kerry/McCain ticket
I would vote for Nader. Selling out the party is nothing to be rewarded for.
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DemoVet Donating Member (572 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:43 AM
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30. Yeah, the best my monkey could do on the first try was "War and Peace".
Then he followed it with "Finnegan's Wake" and "Gravity's Rainbow". Stupid monkey, still can't do Shakespeare>
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:06 PM
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19. McCain suffered unspeakable torture in Viet Nam;
He shouldn't be subjected to * 's vice presidency, too.

It's just too damned cruel.
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trapper914 Donating Member (796 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:25 AM
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27. Guiliani for Veep?
Chimp will do all he can to run on 9/11. Why not get the poster child for post-9/11 New York?
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:06 PM
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31. I don't think Giuliani
...is sufficiently medieval enough for this bunch. I'm pretty sure he' pro-choice, for one thing.
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malachibk Donating Member (780 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:38 PM
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32. Oh yes he is...
medieval enough. He stepped up 9/11, but that doesn't erase the years of fascism that came before. Trust me.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 05:53 PM
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41. Hi malachibk!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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Orangepeel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:33 AM
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28. rumors like this are great for us!
They aren't going to replace Cheney for several reasons --

1. the base loves him
2. IMO, the bushes don't want a VP that can run in '08 or '12 because they want to keep the door open for jeb (note I said the bushes personally, not the republican party)
3. replacing cheney -- even for "health" reasons -- would make them look like they are on the ropes. If we make them concede they are in trouble, they really are.

That third reason is why rumors like this are good for us. Even the speculation makes them look worried.
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jrthin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:27 PM
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4. Good news, but...
this mean the rethugs will get even more vicious, and that's scary.
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:36 PM
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7. I am very wary
of John McCain. He runs hot and cold and I never know just which side he is going to lean. If I remember correctly (and someone tell me if I am wrong) he said he would not seek another Senatorial seat. This would be his last. Maybe he is tired of politics but the VP position would be very tempting. I hope Cheney stays as he has a lot of baggage that will hurt him.
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:00 PM
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11. So my libertarian professor of MFHD friend on McCain..
This guy likes Edwards but will probably vote libertarian (instead of bush again) if Kerry is the dem. I mentioned I didn't mind McCain yesterday (his post SOTU comments on * were so funny) and he launched into a list of all the reasons and symptons that showed that in his professional opinion McCain was mentally unbalanced and would require many many years of therapy. I geuss thats what comes from 7 years in a tiger cage.
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:05 PM
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18. Many years of mental therapy??
I guess it didn't effect him enough to be a Senator. Of course, some Senators do need more than therapy.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 02:05 PM
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33. Sounds like that guy bought into Bush's smears from the GOP primary
Edited on Sun Feb-29-04 02:05 PM by w4rma
in 2000.
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daveskilt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:07 PM
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39. I dont think he did
he is a therapist...actually he trains therapists and offered it as a professional opinion based on interviews he has seen with John McCain - not that JM said anything crazy, but things like speech patterns, physical tics, emotional outbursts etc that led him to think the guy could use therapy for very specific issues.
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liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:13 PM
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14. The more they do that, though,
the more it'll backfire on them. They've been able to get away with it because it's been under the radar, but the more blatantly and obviously they act, the more people will begin to see them for who and what they really are. At least I hope to God it'll happen that way, because it always has before.
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salinen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:31 PM
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5. McCain, I think not
He could be a potential liability to chimp. McCain is occasionally honest.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:33 PM
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6. You mean he didn't get a bounce from his gay marraige amendment??
What a shame. </sarcasm> :puke:
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:14 PM
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22. The Chimpster isn't getting very many bounces these days
"and that's a good thing" :D
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JoFerret Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:49 PM
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9. Kerry up, Bush down in California
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:04 PM
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13. outstanding
"Californian's preferred Kerry over the president by a margin of 53 percent to 41 percent, and Edwards over Bush by 51 to 42 percent."
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keopeli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:51 PM
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10. Let's not spread rumors, please.
In my mind, there is no way in hell that McCain will join Bush*. If you've watched McCain on CSpan lately, you'll know he's not pleased with the Bush* administration.

So, if McCain joins Bush*, let's cross that bridge when we come to it. For now, let's focus on reality.

Keo
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gmoney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:01 PM
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12. After the push polling Bush/Rove did in 2000...
Edited on Sat Feb-28-04 10:15 PM by gmoney
there is no way McCain would associate himself with those evil bastards. Maybe he's thinking he could go for the republican nomination in 2008
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:55 PM
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16. McCain has whored for Bush Inc since that incident
whatever he is, he is still a GOP whore.
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Chicago Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:12 PM
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21. Colon Powell is a Whore - VP possible?.
I didn't used to think so, but its true. Lame ass no principaled lying shithead Colon Powell..

He'd be a great VP for Bush. Cheney can pull the strings and still be the Shadow President.

Who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?
The Shadow knows!
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AlFrankenFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:08 PM
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20. I dance in happiness of these numbers
*dances*

Now let it stay this way, and we shall do well. :)
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AndyTiedye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:44 PM
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23. Not Enough to stop Diebold From Stealing the Election
They have a 7% advantage from the Electoral College alone.
Then there is Diebold.

We need to be up by a lot more than this, or Bush* will "win" again.
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Voltaire99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 02:52 AM
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25. Has Kerry peaked?
If this is to be Kerry's best lead, then I agree that it probably won't be enough.

And that is merely assuming the two problems you point out. Rove has yet to get the slime machine started in earnest....
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colonel odis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 07:02 PM
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38. speaking of diebold ......
is the way around the electronic machines to vote absentee? where there's a paper trail?
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joeunderdog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:09 PM
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40. Nope. Diebold counts the absentees.
I have heard that kerry is planning on litigating the results of all Diebold machine results before the election. He made the statement on one of the debates.
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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:59 PM
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24. Take note of this:
This is AFTER the gay marriage amendment coverage has probably hit its peak for now. Despite Chimp's desperation in using such a sad, sad technique, it has failed miserably. THAT's excellent, excellent news for us. If we can keep the Chimp's negatives high for the entire spring going into summer, we can create the image that a Bush defeat is all but a foregone conclusion, which will help our ticket pull-in an additional 1-to-2% from the vote-for-the-winner effect.

Good times, indeed..
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 07:53 AM
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26. the lower his numbers go
the more terra-lerts we get...

place your bets - at what point in the polls will a orange alert be issued???
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 03:17 PM
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34. Direct link to CBS poll
Kerry/Edwards formidable:
"But a Democratic ticket that combines the two candidates -- John Kerry for President and John Edwards for Vice President -- has more appeal, and could give the two Democrats a solid victory over Bush and Dick Cheney"

Starting to believe:
"Voters still expect a Bush win in November, although that view is less pervasive than it was in early January. Now, 49% expect Bush to win, and 42% foresee a Democrat winning the presidency. In January, 55% expected the president to be re-elected, and just 31% thought the Democratic candidate could prevail."


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/02/29/opinion/polls/main602884.shtml
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llmart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 04:53 PM
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35. It may be the first time
that his poll numbers slipped below 50% in THAT survey, but in other surveys his poll numbers have been below 50% for quite some time. This is great news and needs to be broadcast over and over again so that the sheeple get indoctrinated into thinking that he ain't gonna get reelected. Once we get a confirmed candidate we all need to get behind him and show support with yard signs, bumper stickers, pins, etc. The way the people in this country vote, the majority of them will vote by the number of signs they see. A Kerry/Edwards ticket would be fantastic!
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Manix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 05:07 PM
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36. The jackass is going down!
nt
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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 06:40 PM
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37. Just don't ever look for his approval rating to go below
about 30% at the LOWEST. There IS a certain contingency of people who would NEVER vote against him, NEVER not support him.

In other words, if he appeared dressed in nothing but a pink tutu, holding a milkshake in one hand and a monkey's HEAD in another and proceeded to take a dump on the White House lawn whilst singing "How Dry I Am", those are the people who would find SOME way to explain/defend/rationalize it and would still vote for him. Not only that, but they'd gladly spit on anyone who wouldn't, if given half the chance.

In other words, they are certifiably insane.

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