Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

Tanker Explodes, Sinks With 27 on Board

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU
 
DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:45 PM
Original message
Tanker Explodes, Sinks With 27 on Board
Edited on Sat Feb-28-04 09:46 PM by DoYouEverWonder
CHINCOTEAGUE, Va. - A tanker carrying industrial ethanol exploded and sank about 50 miles off the Virginia coast Saturday night, the Coast Guard said. Crews were searching for 27 people who were on board.


Yahoo News 2 minutes ago
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:53 PM
Response to Original message
1. The usual illiterate headlines.
Should be something like:

"Tanker with 27 aboard explodes and sinks, search for survivors underway"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
lcordero Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 09:55 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Headlines usually have to be as short as possible
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:12 PM
Response to Reply #2
7. not necessarily
a headline count takes into consideration point size and layout.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #7
9. And with an experienced typographer, Licensed to Kern
Edited on Sat Feb-28-04 10:22 PM by DS1
"Big motherfucking explosion seen offshore, looks like some sort of tanker, yeah, it was a tanker, now it's sinking, I can see bodies, hey Earl put down your beer and check this out!"
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
liberalhistorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #9
10. LOL!
I'm sorry, I know this isn't funny at all, but that's too funny to pass up!

For God's sake, people, what's more important, the headline or the news itself? I think that the possiblity that 27 people may have just lost their lives on a tanker is far more important than the wording of the stupid headline!

As the daughter of two English teachers, I had to put up with corrections all the time, even in front of people, so I guess I'm a bit sensitive on the issue.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
efhmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #10
11. Agreed. What is this semantics about when people have perished?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 09:13 AM
Response to Reply #10
34. I think that you're missing a comma in that second sentence.
Er, sorry.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:50 PM
Response to Reply #9
14. you really, really
need to get laid.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:56 PM
Response to Reply #14
21. why? are your kittens vanishing into thin air?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #1
3. Good point.
Even a shorter one like "Tanker with 27 aboard explodes and sinks" would be a vast improvement. The original one implies (no, it states) that it sank with the 27 still aboard.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #3
4. Right, thanks, short is necessary, misleading is not. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:11 PM
Response to Reply #4
6. To continue the chain of title bickering
it is now "Tanker Explodes Off Va.; at Least 2 Die "

Thank you, drive through.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:10 PM
Response to Original message
5. There are survivors
From the article:

. At least two of the 27 crew members aboard were killed, and rescue crews were still searching for 19 others.

Six crew members were taken to hospitals in Maryland and Virginia, said Petty Officer Stacey Pardini of the Coast Guard Atlantic area in Portsmouth. The extent of their injuries was not immediately available.


This sounds real bad.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mdguss Donating Member (631 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:21 PM
Response to Reply #5
8. This isn't funny; Here's What I've heard from DC area tv:
Edited on Sat Feb-28-04 10:40 PM by mdguss
The tanker exploded. It had a crew of 25. 6 people have been found alive (including one who was covered in Ethanol). The tanker was carrying the Singapore flag. It was a fuel rig that was carrying 3.5 million gallons of Ethanol fuel.

This is a major story not only for the 25 or 27 (depending on the reports) people aboard. It could have a massive environmental impact. The general area (as shown on Fox's map) is near that Maryland/Virginia eastern shore and also near the point where the Chesapeake Bay enters the Atlantic Ocean. There are many, many people who make their living fishing in the bay or off the shore. There are many others that make their livings from tourism on the eastern shore. And there are two national wildlife refuges in that general area.

This said, we don't know how bad the spill is. The coast guard spokesperson said, "We realize that many people are concerned with how the tanker exploded and with the environmental impact of ethanol, but our primary focus is on finding survivors. There are 19 people out there we need to find."

Frankly, this situation is nothing to make fun of. I am sure there will be more details in the morning.

Update: Fox 5 says 2 confirmed dead, 17 are missing.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:44 PM
Response to Reply #8
12. Thanks for the update
Any word on what caused the explosion?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:48 PM
Response to Reply #12
13. I would expect it was the booze, but there are other possibilities. nt
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:57 PM
Response to Reply #13
16. This isn't human-grade ethanol
if the sailors were drinking it, they'd probably have died. Don't be ridiculous. Ethanol is a volatile liquid that's also extremely flamable. This isn't all that surprising.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:19 PM
Response to Reply #16
17. Tsk. That's why it's most likely what exploded.
Eh?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 10:55 PM
Response to Reply #8
15. Who was making fun of it?
I think its deadly serious.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:24 PM
Response to Reply #8
19. Hopefully ethanol is so light it will "just" evaporate.
Better than a crude oil spill, though I don't know what all that ethanol in the atmosphere will do.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #8
23. "Massive environmental impact"?
If it was pure ethanol, there shouldn't be much of a problem - it will mix with the water easily. You may get a few fish dying of alcohol poisoning in the first few minutes, but after that it shouldn't be a problem. If there's some other chemical mixed in with the ethanol, that might cause a problem.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #8
27. agree - this is a very serious issue

why did it explode? that is a HUGE question.

what it is doing to the environment is massive.

one poster here said it might just kill a few fish - we have less and less fish every yr. less and less birds, less and less everything.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Media_Lies_Daily Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:22 PM
Response to Original message
18. I'm surprised Homeland Security isn't jumping all over this...
...this would make a good reason to jack up the ol' Terror Alert level.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-28-04 11:27 PM
Response to Reply #18
20. I'm surprised they haven't announced
that this incident doesn't have anything to do with terrorism by now. That is the first thing they announce whenever there is an 'accident.'
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
oostevo Donating Member (293 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:54 AM
Response to Reply #20
22. They have already.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
pinniped Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 09:21 AM
Response to Reply #20
35. Sure is. Terrorism is not suspected at the Maui airport incident.
Heard it earlier and I was greatly relieved.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:08 AM
Response to Reply #18
24. Where's Hardegan?
Sounds like his M.O.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
jmcgowanjm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:18 AM
Response to Original message
25. not to mention the energy it took to make this ethanol
and the energy it will take to maintain
the destination point's status quo until more can be made
and another tanker can be found to ship it.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
The Night Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 10:21 AM
Response to Original message
26. Chincoteague is a wildlife refuge...
I hope this accident doesn't have too bad an impact on the wildlife at Chincoteague.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #26
28. the accident happened 80km offshore
by the time it reaches the shoreline, the 11000 tonnes of ethanol will have been diluted in about 1 trillion tonnes of seawater, assuming an average depth of 50 metres. A 0.0000011% solution of alcohol is unlikely to have a noticeable effect on wildlife.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
snowFLAKE Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #28
29. Assuming that the ethanol disperses equally in all directions
I calculate that about 1 quadrillion tonnes of seawater would be involved - this nitpicking notwithstanding (i.e., you've over-estimated the "danger" by 1,000-fold) - you do make a good point that ethanol is an environmentally benign form of energy compared to crude oil (for example). Too bad it takes as much energy to produce as it contains, however.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:06 PM
Response to Reply #29
30. could be - I assumed currents would disperse it well
my calculation was

pi * (80000m)squared * 50m = about 1 trillion cubic metres

1 cubic metre of seawater contains about 1 tonne of water

so it's about 1 trillion tonnes

but I may have missed a factor somewhere.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
snowFLAKE Donating Member (247 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:20 PM
Response to Reply #30
32. You're probably correct
And note to Self: It'd be a good idea to actually write out calculations on a piece of paper to check them before posting conclusions on websites.


Anyhow, the Coast Guard says most of the ethanol evaporated - I'm curious how they know this piece of information, essentially since it was fairly cold I'd suspect that the ethanol would be more likely to mix with the water.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Bdog Donating Member (280 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-29-04 01:12 PM
Response to Reply #29
31. Worry more about the 700 tones of fuel oil the tanker was running on.
Most researchers have found that making ethanol form corn is slightly energy positive.

There are plenty of other feed stocks that are much better. Corn is one of the poorest feed stocks to make ethanol out of.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 09:09 AM
Response to Original message
33. SO the update Mon. AM is there is no hope for more survivors.
:(
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-01-04 01:13 PM
Response to Reply #33
36. what made the tanker explode? surly there is an investigation

you would think homeland security would be all over it and if they are all over it, why are they silent about it?
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Sat May 25th 2024, 10:08 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Latest Breaking News Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC