Man with weapons, map of military base arrested

[Hubert Flottz]

Source: CNN Justice

(CNN) -- A man was arrested Monday after police found an arsenal of high-powered weapons and a map of a U.S. military base in his New Jersey hotel, authorities said.

Lloyd R. Woodson, 43, was arrested and faces multiple weapons charges after an investigation into his suspicious behavior at a store in Branchburg, New Jersey, said local prosecutor Wayne J. Forrest.

Woodson, wearing a military jacket, went to a store called Quick Chek on Monday afternoon and was acting suspiciously, Forrest said in a statement. The clerk called authorities.



Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/01/26/new.jersey.weapons.arrest/index.html?eref=igoogle_cnn

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The guy went into the woods, so he was probably just deer hunting with that assault rifle...

[Robb]

1. Yeek

"Officers searched Woodson's hotel room and found another assault rifle, a grenade launcher, a police scanner, another bulletproof vest, a map of a U.S. military base, hundreds of rounds of ammunition and a Middle Eastern-style headdress, the statement said."

This should be an interesting investigation.

[Hubert Flottz]

2. I wonder if there's a connection between this guy and the plot...

on Fort Dix that BushCo took credit for breaking up in 2007?

Six Charged in Plot To Attack Fort Dix
'Jihadists' Said to Have No Ties to Al-Qaeda

By Dale Russakoff and Dan Eggen
Washington Post Staff Writers
Wednesday, May 9, 2007

CHERRY HILL, N.J., May 8 -- A group of would-be terrorists, allegedly undone after attempting to have jihad training videos copied onto a DVD, has been charged with conspiring to attack Fort Dix and kill soldiers there with assault rifles and grenades, authorities said Tuesday.

Five men -- all foreign-born and described as "radical Islamists" by federal authorities -- allegedly trained at a shooting range in Pennsylvania's Pocono Mountains to kill "as many soldiers as possible" at the historic Army base 25 miles east of Philadelphia. A sixth man was charged with helping them obtain illegal weapons.

FBI and Justice Department officials said the arrests were the result of a 16-month operation to infiltrate and monitor the group. It was portrayed as a leaderless, homegrown cell of immigrants from Jordan, Turkey and the former Yugoslavia who came together because of a shared infatuation with Internet images of jihad, or holy war.

Authorities said the group has no apparent connection to al-Qaeda or other international terrorist organizations aside from ideology, but appears to be an example of the kind of self-directed sympathizers widely predicted -- and feared -- by counterterrorism specialists. The defendants allegedly passed around and copied images of al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden and the martyrdom videos of two of the Sept. 11, 2001, hijackers. MORE...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/05/08/AR2007050800465.html

[safeinOhio]

4. What, no ballbuster or big toe bombs and

not carrying an assault box cutter?

[SteveM]

3. I'm sure this will be investigated, but I bet it wasn't an "assault rifle"...

MSM always thinks anything that LOOKS like a true assault rifle (capable of full-auto fire and used by the military) IS an assault rifle. My bet is that the rifles were semi-auto carbines of medium power.

BTW, these class of weapons ARE becoming the new deer rifles, though I doubt this guy was using them as such.

[safeinOhio]

5. grenade launcher makes for some

nice fishing tackle.

[Robb]

6. Indeed

And unless the deer are arming themselves, the bulletproof vests seem a little over the top.

[RaleighNCDUer]

32. Don't be silly - deer can't do that.

The constitution only allows for the right to arm bears.

[Hubert Flottz]

9. I've been told that a perch colored hand grenade works well.

You could really cast those things out there with a launcher I'll bet. I wonder if pro bass has those?

Edit: I'd hate to be in the boat with you when your grenade launcher backlashed :nuke:

[benEzra]

35. It was a 37mm flare launcher, not a grenade launcher, actually.

M203-type grenade launchers are restricted to police/military/government only, unless you first obtain Federal authorization (and pay a $200 tax per grenade, while you're at it). Collectors can get a 37mm safety flare launcher that looks like an M203, which is what he had, but only an absolute dumbass would think he could successfully assault a military base with a flare gun.

[One_Life_To_Give]

7. Bushmaster .223 modified to 0.50

a 37-mm Cobray grenade launcher, would be of more concern although it doesn't say he had ammunition for it.



mycentraljersey.com/article

[SteveM]

11. I can't believe he would modify to .50 BMG. Must be S&W...

otherwise, the gun would fly apart.

.50 S&W is generally regarded as ammunition for a revolver. .50 BMG is a huge military round for heavy crew-manned machine guns.

[benEzra]

36. A "37mm grenade launcher" is a FAKE made for collectors.

It is a civilian 37mm safety flare launcher (same as a flare gun like you'd keep on a boat) dressed up to look like an M203 40mm grenade launcher.

If the rifle was .50 BMG, it was a single-shot, but I doubt he could even attempt to conceal that under a coat. It may have been an AR with a .50 Beowulf upper, which is comparable to a 20-gauge shotgun loaded with slugs, and a full size magazine only holds ~10 rounds.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.50_Beowulf

[Hubert Flottz]

8. I've hunted with semi-auto rifles and shotguns for years.

Since I was a kid in fact and I'm 59. Nothing wrong with those...it's the nut cases behind the weapons I worry about. Someone is just as dead if they are killed with a single shot .22 rifle as they are if they are killed with a .308 Remington 750 Woodmaster...

BTW, my heart doctor told me to eat deer meat instead of beef.

[SteveM]

10. Yep. I took 2 deer this season to reduce beef intake to a minimum. nt

[greiner3]

12. "a grenade launcher"

Woo-hoo; Duke Nukem lives again!

[slackmaster]

13. On what charges?

None of the things described in the article are necessarily illegal.

[One_Life_To_Give]

14. Is the 37mm legal?

I would think the 37mm Cobray would be suspect. Along with walking into a convenience store with a Bushmaster hidden under your coat. And that the serial numbers were filed off of both Bushmasters.

Sounds at the very least mighty suspicious to my inexperienced view.

[slackmaster]

16. Yes, I believe 37 mm is legally exempted as a signaling device in all 50 states

Along with walking into a convenience store with a Bushmaster hidden under your coat.

I didn't get that from the article linked in the OP. I'll check back later to see what additional information has been added.

[One_Life_To_Give]

31. Thanks, found its a flare gun

found out it was a flare gun after posting. Thats about the size of some of the self contained SOLAS Parachute flares.

Question concerning the 50 state legality. A Lawyer friend told me that Pyro (Olin 12Ga, 25mm) were legal to carry for their intended purpose. That is on the boat was legal. But put it in a holster and go shopping in Boston would still be a crime unless you had a permit.

p.s. The details about being in the convenience store when initially talked to by the cop are linked in my post above.

[onehandle]

24. Running from authorities and resisting officers would do it.

A polite society is a polite civilization.

[Crowman1979]

15. I bet he is one of those militia/teabag nuts.

[ElmoBlatz]

21. Someone better alert Chris Matthews then

Because according to him, all teabaggers are white

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/geoffrey-dickens/2010/01/05/matthews-every-teabagger-white-whats-all-about

This guy is black

[safeinOhio]

22. True, about the same percentage of Brown people as

the KKK. Also, most of them are regulars at newsbusters.org.

[Crowman1979]

34. Well if that's the case, then he must have been this nutjob at the Obama rally in Phoenix.

Who coincidentely attends steven anderson's gay-bash church:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4-JieEI-0Q

[Imajika]

40. I seriously doubt it...

This guy isn't white, and what would a militia/teabagger type be doing rolling with a "middle eastern style headdress"?

This sounds like a convert to Islam to me.

Coverts to anything tend to be the most fanatical, so we will see this kinda thing pop up now and again. Normal Muslims wish these types of idiots would just go away, but they are a sad fact of life.

[bertman]

17. This 'terrorist' was wearing a bulletproof vest and carrying an assault rifle and loaded

magazines but he ran into the woods to hide when police were called. Fearsome dude there.

This story does not add up. If the guy is so intent on killing people and has a room full of firearms including a grenade launcher, why didn't he blow the cops away?

Very weird.

[peace13]

18. I had the same thoughts on 911.

If the terrorists are so intent on making a mess of a city, why didn't they auger it into Cleveland when they had the chance. That would have really really freaked out middle America. Instead these guys flew right by the city and peopl,e all for a piece of real estate in PA. Go figure.

[bertman]

26. Good point about Cleveland. That had not occurred to me. nt

[Retrograde]

27. Not as many TV cameras in Cleveland as some other places?

An M.O. of multiple attacks in the same location? No world-wide recognizable targets in Cleveland? And "a piece of real estate in PA" was most likely not the planned target but where one flight went down do to interference.

[benEzra]

38. Because he was a dumbass with a safety flare launcher and (apparently) a 10-shot short-range rifle,

from what I can gather.

Shooting flare guns at armed police is a very good way to get shot. They will most definitely notice, and will not be amused.

[Rozlee]

19. I can't even remember how many points that deer at Camp Stanley had

here in the Dominion (home to the right Reverend Hagee and the San Antonio Spurs), but it was always protected behind the fenced in area of the military preserve that stated DO NOT ENTER. ALL TRESPASSERS WILL BE PROSECUTED. In the bottom of the sign in smaller letters it read: Use of Deadly Force Authorized In Accordance With Regulation Yadda Yadda Yadda." But, some fuck with an assault rifle took him out from outside the camp. That poor animal. Every time I saw him grazing with his harem of does, I couldn't even see how he held his head up with all those points. But, no one ever said that he was shot by a suspected terrorist with an assault rifle.

[gratuitous]

20. I'll be interested to see how this looks upon further review

Certainly all the requisite elements are there to scare hell out of people. But is it true?

[onehandle]

23. Cue the Gungeoneers to argue what a high-powered weapon is. nt

[slackmaster]

25. We're already having fun with this story in the Gungeon

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=118x285630

:D

[benEzra]

39. Yes, a because a safety flare launcher is a fearsome weapon.

:sarcasm:

And get this---you can buy functional flare launchers AND flares over the counter at boat stores!!!!! No background check required!!!!! Be very afraid!!!!!

[jmowreader]

28. I want to know what these guys' affection for Fort Dix is

There's nothing fucking there, okay? It was one of the first bases to be deactivated after the Cold War ended. Right now the Army Reserve and National Guard units in the area use its tactical training area, they've converted a lot of the barracks into a federal penitentiary, and there's a Military Entrance and Processing Station on the grounds. IIRC there's also some real minor logistics stuff going on, but it's NOTHING like it was in the 1980s when it was a Training and Doctrine Command base and featured a "pure" (everyone who went through BT in this brigade did their advanced individual training on another base) basic training brigade plus a brigade that took troops from the reception station and turned them into cooks and truck drivers.

Maybe they're trying for a real easy symbolic attack--"OMG the terrorists hit a US Army Fort!!!"--but as far as affecting the ability of the military to conduct business? The government tried to CLOSE this place. Blowing it up won't do much. They could blow up the prison, sure, but if you did that 80 percent of the teabaggers will think the prisoners had it coming, two percent will call it an attack on America, eight percent will wait for Rush Limbaugh to tell them how to feel and the other ten percent will be on the phone trying to see if their son Jailbird Joey is okay.

[slackmaster]

30. Obviously they have repressed homosexual urges

:nuke:

[jmowreader]

33. There are ways to deal with those in the NY/NJ area without needing a bimb

Aren't the baths in New York City still open?

But I'm being serious here even if you're not: what, exactly, is so exciting about Fort Dix they'd want to blow it up?

[benEzra]

42. Maybe he got the idea from the prior Keystone Kommandos plot on Fort Dix?

That's the only thing I can think of.

[starroute]

29. How do you act suspiciously enough at a Quickie-Mart to get the cops called?

Not like they don't get some pretty weird dudes in those places.

Not like they sell heavy weaponry or anything or that sort.

The story doesn't suggest he merely seemed drunk or irrational.

So what kind of "suspicious" behavior are we talking about?

[benEzra]

41. He had a rifle under his coat. Rifles under coats are painfully obvious.

The rifle in question is three feet long, nearly a foot high, several inches thick, and weighs six to nine pounds. Rifles, especially ones with protruding handgrips and magazines, don't conceal very well under clothing at all and this one would have hung down to his knees, so he'd be moving funny trying to prevent it from banging around.

He would have been just a teeny bit conspicuous.

[benEzra]

37. Ummm, about the "grenade launcher"...

if it was a "Cobray 37mm" as described in news reports, that means it is a fake grenade launcher made for collectors. It is a civilian 37mm safety flare launcher (like you'd keep on a boat) dressed up to look like an actual M203 40mm grenade launcher.

http://www.cracked.com/funny-2939-top-10-mall-ninja-guns/

TOP TEN MALL NINJA GUNS

#4 - Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher

Here's something every mall ninja's AR-15 needs, a Cobray CM203 Flare Launcher:



On the top is the real 40mm M203, on the bottom is the faux-M203, a 37mm flare launching phony.

Obviously the Cobray flare launcher looks a lot like the M203 grenade launcher. Film makers agree, you may have seen they substitute the M203 with this thing all the time. But what is the point of this device, truly? Does one attach it to his AR-15 so when he accidentally twists his ankle while deer hunting he can fire a flare into the air for help? No, he attaches it because it looks like a really fucking cool grenade launcher. And who knows, maybe it'll scare off Smokey the Bear when he comes to kick your ass for burning down the forest with that flare, you asshole.



...could be such a dumbass.

Actual M203-type grenade launchers are not civilian legal without jumping through a lot of Federal hoops, BTW.

[Tim01]

43. "and a Middle Eastern-style headdress" Uh,oh.

I don't think just everybody keeps one of those things in their hotel room along with their bullet proof vest and their pile of guns.

[underpants]

44. "Lloyd" in Arabic means- "the media will ignore this story because it doesn't fit the narrative"

you can look it up