AP: Vatican waited years to defrock Arizona priest

[patrick t. cakes]

Source: AP

The abuse cases of two priests in Arizona have cast further doubt on the Catholic church's insistence that Pope Benedict XVI played no role in shielding pedophiles before he became pope...

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100403/ap_on_re_us/us_church_abuse_arizona

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christ's vicar on earth. Ratzinger!

[AlbertCat]

1. The Vatican also waited 300 years to pardon Galileo. The Vatican is useless.

[No Elephants]

2. 359 years. Does lifting an edict of Inquisition = a pardon?

I'm not really up on my edicts of Inquistion.

"In October 1992, Cardinal Paul Poupard presented the Pope with the findings of the Galileo study commission, which declared, "From the Galileo case we can draw a lesson which is applicable today in analogous cases which arise in our times and which may arise in the future. It often happens that, beyond two partial points of view which are in contrast, there exists a wider view of things which embraces both and integrates them." By Vatican standards, this rotund language was an apology. The Pope responded by saying that Galileo's realizations about the sun and earth must have been divinely inspired: "Galileo sensed in his scientific research the presence of the Creator who, stirring in the depths of his spirit, stimulated him, anticipating and assisting his intuitions." Through its 1992 ceremony, the church finally lifted its edict of Inquisition against Galileo, who went to his grave a devout Catholic, despite the church's treatment of him."

http://www.beliefnet.com/News/2000/03/The-Vaticans-Turn-To-Recant.aspx

[AlbertCat]

16. who went to his grave a devout Catholic, despite the church's treatment of him

Yeah.... he's gonna let 'em know how he really felt after his treatment.


"there exists a wider view of things which embraces both and integrates them."

Yeah... like the church was WRONG... 100% pure-T wrong... and they still won't admit it.


Boy, they REALLY ARE useless!

[saigon68]

18. A Religion of Pedophile criminals

[No Elephants]

3. Laicize, my ass. When did the Vatican plan to report the abuse to the police?

"Teta was removed from ministry by the bishop, but because the church's most severe punishment — laicization — can only be handed down from Rome, he remained on the church payroll and was working with young people outside the church."

In fairness to Ratzinger, laicized or not, the bishop did not have to allow Teta to work with young people.

[romanyiv]

4. Time for the church to clean house

This is an outrage that these homosexual pedophiles were allowed to continue for so long. For the last few years I would mail back the diocese's appeal for support with a note that I was not interested in my money going to pay off these lawsuits.

[Dogmudgeon]

5. "... homosexual pedophiles ..."

Are you sure you're in the right place?

--d!

[AlbertCat]

8. "... homosexual pedophiles ..."

Because it's OK for priests to molest little girls????? (And nuns little boys)


Get a clue! Cheesus!

[msanthrope]

6. If you can't tell the difference between a 'homosexual'

and a 'pedophile' then you are part and parcel of the problem.

Because Catholics like you will then eagerly swallow the Church's efforts to stigmatize gay people while leaving the pedophiles alone.

Here's a thought. Adults who want to fuck other consenting adults?? No problem. In fact , one could call that healthy. Adults who want to fuck children?? Problem.

So educate yorself. Otherwise I want mine with pepperoni.

[romanyiv]

10. If you can't tell the difference between a 'homosexual'

I have no issues with priests that are gay or straight - as long as they are staying faithful to their vows. I don't have any idea what the gender breakdown among men nationwide who prey on children are - but for Catholic priests the large majority (over 80%) of preyed upon young boys (hence my comments). That is troubling - I doubt that percentage is that high in the general population - so - if true - points to a problem in the church. I suspect that the bulk of these abuses were caused by priests that entered the clergy in the 50s - perhaps conflicted and troubled with their sexual orientation - and thought that by joining the priesthood it would make their life easier - and let face it - being gay - esp. in 40 - 50 years ago - had to be hell. I may be wrong but I would suspect that male pedophiles that go after boys tend to be homosexual - and those that go after young girls tend to be hetro. I know this sounds gay bashing to a lot of you but the problem that the church has right now is due largely to priests preying upon boys - which points to a bigger problem about vetting candidates to the priesthood...

[TommyO]

15. The vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual

Once again, you may want to cut the anti-gay crap.

[Critters2]

7. A) homosexuals and pedophiles are two unrelated classes of people and

b) the abuse of girls by priests doesn't bother you? And yes, there have been cases.

Oh, and enjoy your stay...and your pizza!

[SkyDaddy7]

13. Question...

I should know this by now...What is the "pizza" comment mean? I think I have seen it used in terms of folks who could be suspended?

Thanks!

[snake in the grass]

9. While I applaud you for...

...no longer sending money to pay for these lawsuits (a fact I remind my Catholic friends of at every opportunity), your use of the term 'homosexual pedophiles' shows a great deficit in your knowledge of what pedophilia really is.

[suzie]

11. It seems that the poster was trying to indicate "same gender" pedophiles, which seems to

be the majority of the priest offenders.

[snake in the grass]

12. Maybe this person has been listening to too much...

...Bill Donohue. In any case, this conflation needs to be nipped in the bud.

[TommyO]

14. You may want to check your anti-gay crap at the door

[Raster]

17. Time for you to clean your mind.

[DonCoquixote]

19. Of course, people think Gays equal pedophiles

Even on this "liberal board."

This sort of crap is exactly why Churches need to lose Tax exempt status, because their work pollutes the general sphere, even those who are supposedly intelligent enough to resist them.

This is also why we need to keep public education alive, because once the churches get their hands on education, they will produce a generation that takes crap like this for granted, people who make Sarah Palin look like Molly Ivins.