Amanda Knox faces trial for 'slandering' Kercher police

[dipsydoodle]

Source: BBC News

American student Amanda Knox is to face trial for slander after saying police beat her during questioning over the killing of Briton Meredith Kercher.

A judge made the decision at a closed indictment hearing in Perugia, Italy.

Knox, 23, told the judge she never intended slander and was just trying to defend herself, her lawyer said.

She is serving a 26-year prison term for the murder of Leeds University student Miss Kercher, 21, from Coulsdon in Surrey, who was her housemate.

Read more: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11709873

[Dogmudgeon]

1. Wouldn't using a crucifix be quicker and easier?

"Slandering" the police. That's rich.

--d!

[polly7]

2. If she lied about the police beatings, doesn't it just make it more difficult for

anyone who really has been mistreated by them to get any justice?

I think most members in law enforcement in law-abiding countries get up every morning, do their jobs and try to be good people, just like anyone else ... and have the same right not to be lied about. jmo.

[whathehell]

9. The question is a big "If".....Considering that many here seem to lack knowledge of both

the of the Italian Justice System and this case in particular, the rush to give them a "pass" makes me wonder...One certainly rarely sees it here in the case of American police

Some here do seem to be "bending over backward" to avoid even the "presumption of innocence" for Amanda...but I'm sure that would NOT be because she's American.:eyes:

[Tempest]

11. You're condemning the Italian justice system based upon two known abuse cases

Shit son, here in the good ole' U.S. there are thousands of cases.

[whathehell]

16. Umm...No.

Re-read the post.

My point was less the two "abuse" cases than the STRUCTURE..You know -- no voir dire?...No sequestering?

I don't know if the lack of sequestering is a matter of the sytem or that particular judge's option...I DO know they don't require voir dire..and yes, that is BIG.

[polly7]

17. Yes, that's 'if', and whether she was beaten or not will hopefully come

out with evidence.

As to the rest ...... sorry, she was convicted of murder of a young girl who certainly didn't deserve what she got. I don't give a rats-azz where Knox is from, she had lawyers, the case was tried under international scrutiny, presumably which might make the Italian court a little more aware of doing things correctly. I never knew or presumed one way or the other whether she was innocent or guilty. I just hoped justice would be served either way.

[whathehell]

18. Yes..."hope" is pretty much all you've got in that system, it seems.

Of COURSE the victim "didn't deserve what she got"..Most murder victims don't..Does that mean the "accused" doesn't deserve a fair trial?

You don't need to give a "rats azz" where Knox was from...You DO need to know (before you blow her off so blithely) where and under WHAT circumstances she was TRIED.

I don't think Canadians like you, any more than Americans or Brits would like being tried for murder in a court with NO voir dire, NO sequestering, and a fucking criminal for a prosecutor!

Effing A, lady...Read up on the case!

[polly7]

20. She didn't get a fair trial??

What about an appeal ......... was she denied one? If it wasn't a fair trial, an appeal would take care of that, right? Did she have no access to good lawyers?


I did read up on the case and watched it the whole time it was happening. What's your problem, anger issues??? You have no idea what I know and what I don't.

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[polly7]

23. LOL. Yes, she was granted an appeal. Read up. n/t.

'Talking out their asses' ......... that would be you. No need to flip out, I just gave an opinion.

[whathehell]

24. LOL...Did you just google that?

Keep going...You might learn more!

[polly7]

25. No, I read it a while ago. You may want to google it, though. ??? n/t.

[whathehell]

26. I'll take your word for it..

It's just a bit more than I knew previously about the trial and the particulars of the Italian system.

You go ahead though...It seems there's more for you to learn!:hi:

[polly7]

27. You do that, glad I could help out. ;)

More for me to learn!!! Oh yes, always. Maybe you should realize the same, you seem to have been a little under-informed here and insulting just for the sake of it. :nopity:

[whathehell]

29. You need to "help out" yourself, lol..

check out my last response to you..and then we'll talk about "under-informed".:rofl:

[polly7]

31. Yeah, read it, laughed a little. But thanks. n/t.

[whathehell]

32. Laughing at yourself is always a good idea..

but in YOUR case, it's imperative!!:rofl:

[polly7]

33. (Yawn) Bye, bye. Have yourself a great day:) n/t.

[whathehell]

35. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

[whathehell]

28. You gave an uneducated "opinion"...LOL..you have relatives in the RCMP

and since you like them, that's how you arrive at an opinion of the police forces of:

Canada, The United Kingdom, America, Italy...Oh, hell, all the Police Forces In The World!!



My Gawd.....That's unbelievable!:rofl:

[polly7]

30. Calm down .............. you'll be ok. (I hope),

No, hell, I don't even need family members in law enforcement to know they're not all crooked. But why is that so unbelievable?

[whathehell]

34. I'll "calm down"...if you promise to

know your subject before making funny, know-nothing statements!

The problem, dear, is that you're naive as the day is long..And you don't even know it!

But I'm done with remedial education...Buh bye!

[Lord Magus]

61. You're assuming the appeal would be any more fair than the original trial.

That seems like a dubious assumption.

[pnwmom]

12. Self -delete.

[pnwmom]

15. They conveniently taped no interrogations. No audio tapes, no video tapes.

And she didn't say she was "beaten." She said she was rapped on the back of the head. Just her word against theirs.

Do you really find it hard to believe that a cop might have done such a thing? Without tapes of the interrogations, ALL of the power is in the hands of the police. Not only could they hit you, they could sue you if you complained. Would you feel safe in such a system?

[polly7]

21. Well, I have family members in the RCMP and knowing them

so well, have a very, very hard time believing they would do such a thing. Not all cops are brutal thugs here, in the U.S. or presumably, anywhere else. I guess we'll find out the truth ........

It wasn't me who claimed she was 'beaten'.

"Knox appeared briefly in court Tuesday, the first time the public has seen her since December 2009 when she was taken away in tears and handcuffs after being convicted of the 2007 murder, to face slander charges for saying in court that she was beaten by police while being interrogated."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20006538-504083.html

[pnwmom]

37. We will never find out the truth since the interrogations weren't taped.

It's all up to the kangaroo court now, consisting of the same folks who already found her guilty on another trumped up charge.

[Lord Magus]

62. I think the RCMP is a bit more professional.

And would probably know better than to allow even the appearance of impropriety by not taping their interrogations of a murder suspect. There's no reason not to record the interrogation, unless the interrogators have something to hide. So either the Italian police have something to hide, or they're idiots.

[dipsydoodle]

3. Bearing in mind she's in Italy

then only comparisons with Italian police would be valid. I'm not aware of similar complaints against Italian police elsewhere.

[Tempest]

5. I could only find one case

Five years ago.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/trial-forces-italy-to-relive-shocking-police-brutality-510582.html

[dipsydoodle]

6. They're sure better

than the UK in that case. Can't speak for the US as I'm not there.

Thanks for that. :hi:

[whathehell]

7. At least one other exists..

Just read The Monster of Florence written by an American locked up on transparently trumped up charges by the same guy who headed up the prosecution of Amanda Knox.

His name is Mignini and he was under an ethics charge regarding another murder case even as he was trying that one.

He's since been convicted and is doing time in prison, I believe.

[beac]

53. Good grief. 'The Monster of Florence' might as well be a work of fiction.

The author tacked on a postscript relating to Knox's case to sell more of his ludicrous books.

And Mignini is NOT in prison.

Are you aware that Amanda tried to pin the murder on a COMPLETELY INNOCENT man?


You have a LOT to learn about the case. I suggest you start here:
www.truejustice.org/

[pnwmom]

14. Not really. Just the fact that Italian police are allowed to sue in this situation

works to limit victims coming forward. Especially when interrogation sessions aren't video or even audio taped.

[Tempest]

4. If you were a cop accused of beating a suspect, would you just take it?

Let the court decide if there's any truth to it.

If there's not, she just made things worse for herself.

[whathehell]

8. You may be somewhat unaware of the Italian "justice" system generally, and this case particularly.

I'd suggest you read The Monster of Florence.

One of the problems in this case..and only one..was that they found NO DNA from either Amanda or her boyfriend...Prosecutor Mignini, then operating under an ethics charge on another murder case, subsequently found guilty, actually found the DNA of another person who was found guilty, but felt the need to find Amanda and Rafaelle ALSO guilty on the basis of an unsubstantiated sex game.

Another big problem is that Italy, unlike America, does no "voir dire"..that is, they do not question prospective jury members regarding prejudices, family ties, etc. Almost anyone, it seems, can be a juror in Italy.

Added to this is the fact that, in the midst of a windfall of sleazy tabloid "speculation" on "Foxy Knoxy"...The jurors were not only not sequestered, they were not even required to refrain from reading the stuff.

[msongs]

10. indeed, let's sue all cops for their trillions of lies in court as well nt

[pnwmom]

13. When have you ever heard of a U.S. cop filing such charges?

Here, when charges are filed of police brutality, the police get investigated. The suspect doesn't get charged with slander.

How is the court -- the same court and jury that already found her guilty --going to decide? There's no videotape. There's no audiotape. There's just Amanda Knox saying that someone rapped her on the back of the head, and the cops denying they did it.

[whathehell]

19. You are correct....They are railroading this young woman and have been from the start, imo. n/t

The same Roberto Mignini, who headed up the prosecurtion, was recently convicted of ethical violations in another murder trial

[maxsolomon]

36. Piling on for what reason?

she doesn't have any money to pay damages.

adding concurrent years to her already-unjust 30-year sentence doesn't not punish her more. when they convict her of slander on the word of the cops who interrogated her, will they have additional years added? to what end?

as her appeal slowly limps through Italy's 'justice' system, i pray she's able to maintain her sanity. she'll be 40 when she gets out, for the crime of acting like a scared, confused kid.

[pnwmom]

38. I agree maxsolomon. And her other crime was having very limited Italian,

having only had school Italian before she arrived there three weeks earlier. How many of us would be able to cope with overnight interrogations, without a lawyer, under those circumstances?

[dipsydoodle]

39. She wasn't found guilty of not speaking Italian

She was found guilty of murder. You'll also find that if you check back regarding her personal behaviour before and during the trial she didn't really help her own case.

[maxsolomon]

40. yeah i don't want to get into it with you, probably again

i am quite aware of the particulars of her case, and still believe she got absolutely fucked over. i am not alone.

i do not hold out much hope that she will win her appeal, either. she's fucked. and rafaello sollecito is fucked.

her personal behavior before or during the trial, sensationalized and distorted as it was by the european tabloid press, has no bearing on her actual forensic guilt, just on the impression of guilt. her personal behavior PRIOR to attending the university of perugia was that of a normal middle class seattle teenage girl - i.e. not drug-crazed satanic-ritual sex murderers.

i'm not going to stop believing an injustice was done to this woman. and i know i have no power to do anything to alleviate her suffering. would that merideth kercher's family could see through their grief to acknowledge the logical inconsistencies in the prosecution and work for their freedom.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

41. Ain't that news ?

It seems the prosecutor is a scumbag. The case has holes in it big enough to drive a semi tractor trailer truck through. And corruption runs rampant through out their system . It seems the brother of a criminal confessed his brother who is in prison did the murder in the course of a robbery. It seems there is evidence to support that confession,evidence the prosecutor refused to admit into evidence. I haven't fallowed the case much ,but I have been round the world . There is as much bull shit in this case as there was in the Madlin McCann kidnapping case where those corrupt bastards were exposed straight to the top of their political order in Portugal as their president was serving as president of the EU.Hell their attorney general admitted all the phones are tapped in Portugal and the bad guys are in control.That's corruption out of control.


If her case gets sorted out in the appeal,she still must serve time on other trumped up charges or bargain for freedom which is the same as an admission of guilt. Therefore she would not be of a position to sue the corrupt Italian government for false imprisonment.

I don't know what she did or did not do as I was not there. What I do know is that your opinion as a citizen of the United States or anywhere outside Italy means nodda, not a god damned thing.

Next you know they will be telling it the Mafia does not exist.Can you prove they do or don't ?

Crying out loud.

Last I read some physiologist's in the U.K.were analyzing some color drawings Knox drew in prison. They determined she shows signs of a sociopath. Than again they made a mess out the Suffolk murder case so who the hell would except their findings other than those who think she is guilty.But than again the university professors -you know, those that cannot do teach,-were feed the exact information the police heading up the investigation wanted them to see, only what the investigators wanted them to see. That way you see the findings are perfectly tailored to suit the desired outcome and it wasn't the cops who put it out there, it was them- those professors behind the walls ,those who cannot do so thy teach.It was not all bad of profile,it just was not at all accurate. Perfectly tailored to feed to the public.They used that wack job that did the hillside stranglings and a lesser severe case in the UK to form a bogus profile.On this end it was Ridgway and a lesser 60's serial killer never caught given the name bible john. Wright the suffolk murderer is the UK's Gary Ridgeway and of course that sort of thing cannot possibly happen in the UK so most of that case was and is kept secret by law enforcement and the politic ans over there. Wright murdered five prostitutes in the week before Christmas some years ago and buried them in a cluster just like Ridgeway did. There was never any mention of how many murders that scumbag may have done almost as if he just went full blown out of control just suddenly out of the clear blue.

Recall how Ridgway's case went cold for 20 ?Wright the Suffolk murderer was traced back 20 -but no mention of how many murders he may have done. Why, because that sort of thing just doesn't happen in the UK. Although in truth you know that is a lie. But the truth is hard to swallow so it just doesn;t happen in the UK.

It is more easy t except that Wright the suffolk murderer went stark raving full blown out of the clear blue.
Because the Uk does not have the kind of murdering low life scumbags as there are here in the United States.
That is the prefered belief system and a living lie.

Portugal 's lame excuse is that they are very poor and do not have the equipment to conduct high level investigations.

Knox was given the face of guilt through association. I don;t know what she did or didn't do, but I do know political corruption is all over the Amanda Knox case.

So the real question is, just what are those corrupt bastards hiding.

As far as Meridith Karther's parents go, as parents they do need closure even if it is a false sense of it I suppose.

How is it they say,when in Rome.

Which brings us to Denver and the how corrupt is that police agency ? Remember her, how can you forget ?
You know she was all over the tabloids. Ramsey ring a bell ?

The prosecutor in the Knox case is a slim ball scumbag and lets not pretend there is not such thing as slim ball scumbag cops because there a a few of those and far too many.

I wouldn't want to go into it but God knows we have had our fair share of exposing slim ball rapists child molesting cops exposed in Washington state .

And I am sure both Portugal and Italy have more than their fair share of that kind.And for portugal that goes double.

[maxsolomon]

42. hey, WSDJ!

long time no see.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

43. How goes it MaxSolomon !

Are you still around town ! ?

[beac]

54. So, you excuse her 'personal behavior' of accusing a completely innocent man of the crime?

Are you aware she NEVER tried to recant that accusation and he is only free because another witness came forward with an airtight alibi for him?

The man lost his business and is now deeply in debt. What about his suffering? Can you spare a tear for him, a man who did nothing worse than hiring the vile Knox to work in his bar?

[brentspeak]

45. She didn't help her cause, but she is innocent, nevertheless

A defendant with Clarence Darrow as attorney would lose in that kangaroo court of a witch-hunt Italian trial.

[brentspeak]

44. This whole thing is B.S.

She was clearly the victim of an Italian witchhunt. Somebody send in a SWAT team to get her out of prison (and I mean that seriously).

[go west young man]

46. The case does stink to high heaven.

And the American college there should quit sending students until the police
get video cameras to film interviews/interrogations. It's too risky to be alone
with those cops.

[Darth_Kitten]

47. It's risky to murder an innocent human being.

n/t

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

48. It must be hard to imagine a judge in somebodies pocket for some.

Is it possible a local scumbag did a robbery which turned to rape and than murder to cover up the rape,robbery?

If that were the case and another possibility offered a out politically for a corrupt slimball scumbag such as the prosecutor who is the judge ,would not a slimball scumbag take the out believing it is best for the community?

Setting aside exchange students ,it is a collage village.If it was a low life slimball local scumbag that did it, that would mean the cops are useless and the law provides no safety.Such a thing would cause public outrage in all of Italy.

And that spells political trouble with a capital T.

And, wouldn't you think a slimball scumbag prosecutor such as the one who did the Amanda Knox case would contemplate the international book market along the lines of a very nice retirement package ?

When you look at a corrupt set of political circumstance such as the Amanda Knox case,you really have to look in depth at slimball scumbags. You really have to know that slimball prosecutor is in somebodies pocket to begin with.

Shessh, isn't that common sense ?


If you were to look at how the investigation into the McCans as suspects in the murder kidnapping of their daughter, you will in turn gain insight into the depth of slimball scumbags and political corruption at it's worst.
That scumbag slimball lead investigator in Portugal came up with a theory saying the McCan's drugged their daughter,she expired as a result of it and they chopped her up in little bitty pieces than stuffed little Matty into a a little refer cooler just big enough to hold a bottle of wine and a six pack.Than of course they used a rental car to dispose of her remains. And that is just how sick twisted slimball scumbags actually think .The truth never matters to them ever.

That slimball scumbag wrote a book.


Do you really think that slimball scumbag prosecutor in the Amanda Knox case isn't planning on retiring well?
Shesseh .



Scum is never a one sided picture.
That's the first thing you really have to know in order to see through all that scum. Slimballs slip right through it appearing to be clean. I won't bother to get into the subject of scumsuckers.

The world is full of scum.

[Darth_Kitten]

50. Well, anything's possible, but perhaps she did it?

n/t

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

51. I took that approach to myself early on.

There are clues to how the case is being handled in reviewing Portugal's handling of the Madlin McCann kidnapping case. The McCanns had to return to England for their safety and well being. Kate McCann remained a lead suspect for more than a year after the fact. Portugal is run by the scum.

It is hard to say if Italy will confess grave mistake in error. That statement assuming Knox is indeed innocent.
After all that would also be an admission of guilt in that corruption is out of control.

That would mean it was self interest .

I recall Knox stating, she could have left Italy. She went on to say she is innocent and saw no reason to leave the country.

Now, she wishes to be a writer. and being published for one who wishes to be a writer is the prime goal. Seeming to be close to it can or will have the same effect oh say finding gold would on a person. It can take possession,it changes people.

Cynthia Dwyer who flew off to Iran during the Iranian hostage crisis than became a hostage comes to mind..Her husband was a professor at th U. Cynthia wrote articles for a small local magazine in Buffalo.The book thing you see ? And yea, in a interview before she boarded the plane for Iran,she said she knew she may be taken hostage,but she was willing to take that chance. You see,that big break. It's like you strike gold in them there hills and you got a chunk of it. But you don't really know if it's gold or fools gold until you have it checked out. Exception to those who have panned for gold and know how it feels.Gold does something to ya.
For some people just the thought of it does.

I don't know for sure rather Knox is guilty or not guilty.
She may be guilty of being drawn into the gold rush in being a published author.If that were the case the sacrifice may have seemed worth the suffering. But I don't see that as actually in commission of a crime.

And it seems the Italians used a water boarding method in their interrogation of Amanda Knox.

And if they did,rest assured those bastards are guilty and more guilty than the deepest darkest versions of sin itself and that statement can go direct to their pope.

I have no doubt that prosecutor is a slim ball scumbag.

[devilgrrl]

49. Couldn't have happened to a nicer person.

eom

[struggle4progress]

52. Is this the Amanda Knox who originally claimed her boss committed the murder while

she was present, then claimed she'd been with her boyfriend the whole evening, while he initially claimed not to remember whether she had been with him or not?

[beac]

55. Yes, it's THAT one.

The jingoistic blind rage against the Italian justice system that the blue-eyed killer seems to gin up is all over this thread.

She's in jail, where she belongs and seeing people slander an entire country (that I know well and love) in the name of defending the vile girl makes me sick.

[struggle4progress]

56. I don't really have an opinion, not having seen the evidence before the court,

but I do not from this distance see obvious indications that some gentle innocent has suffered a great miscarriage of justice

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

57. Come on now face up to it,

you know full well it is the truth that hurts.It may very well be it is your own denial that is the cause of your pain.

Or maybe you believe in all the media coverage and all that it flash's.

The case is political which means it is not about truth or what is ethical or unethical ,right or wrong. It is and was about reaching the desired political outcome.

News sells in more ways than you will ever want to know.

Absolute power corrupts.

[beac]

58. The only thing I have to "face up" to is that talking about the case with xenophobic

Americans like you is a big waste of my time. You've clearly bought the Knox family PR hook, line and sinker and no amount of facts will penetrate your willful ignorance.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

59. Ya right and that scumbag slimball prosecutor is not

rubbing his hand together in glee from time to time in secret thinking about that cozy villa in a prime location bought and paid for by a book advance. Oh but of course that slim ball with have to bide his time because it ain't over until it is over. So the scumbag imagines,but that is what he is after . that is the truth. And the scumbag slimball is much smarter than that stupid slimball scumbag former chief of detectives in Portugal.

What's a matter fer you, you think we know nothing about it over here ? !

I love a good pizza ther's no denying that !

[beac]

60. Thank you for proving the case that Knox supporters are

a few pepperonis shy of a pizza. Or are you just drunk?

Don't bother replying. Amusing as it is to watch you stumble around, I have no intention of giving your wild ravings any more audience by continuing to endlessly kick this thread.

[Wash. state Desk Jet]

63. Well, you really don't know or care for that matter

what really goes on the real world. I should think by now it is very clear how the media works .The fact is you have no idea what I am on about do you ?

I have no doubt it will be public knowledge soon enough about just what that scumbag slimball prosecutor is all about regarding the Amanda Knox case.

Which is why your opinion does not matter at all as far as I am concerned.

What's the real reason you are so sure Knox is guilty ?

Never mind, I already know.