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Hissyspit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:35 PM
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'Baby Doc' Duvalier Back in Haiti After Long Exile
Edited on Sun Jan-16-11 07:36 PM by Hissyspit
Source: AP

'Baby Doc' Duvalier back in Haiti after long exile

46minsago
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti Haitian national television says former dictator Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvalier has returned to the country.

The stunning development caught the nation off-guard in a moment of political crisis. Duvalier landed on an Air France plane around 5:50 p.m. local time Sunday. He wore a dark suit and blue tie. He was greeted at the airport with hugs from supporters.

He was taken into an immigration office before customs. Duvalier fled into exile during a 1986 popular rebellion and has been living in Paris.

Read more: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110116/ap_on_go_ot/cb_haiti_ex_dictator_returns
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WhiteTara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:38 PM
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1. That is horrible! n/t
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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:40 PM
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2. ONG I had forgotten about him. This does
not bode well.
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Lost-in-FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:43 PM
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3. Another bad day for Haiti.
So sad.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:43 PM
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4. Just when you think things can't get worse for Haiti......
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NCarolinawoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:52 PM
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11. My thoughts, exactly. n/t
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:44 PM
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5. I don't think it can get worse.
This guy should be locked up in a prison cell somewhere with no chance of ever getting out.
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davidinalameda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:48 PM
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8. at the bare minimum!
maybe they could put him to work clearing rubble from the earthquake

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Hannah Bell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:46 PM
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6. isn't that nice. not really a surprise.
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Submariner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:47 PM
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7. Tonton Macoute - Baby Docs KGB-like torturers
I remember those stories well.

I hope that asshole senator from oklahoma is proud of holding up the Haitian aid package and set the stage for this baby doc shithead to come back on the scene.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:52 PM
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10. Beyond KGB
They ate their victims
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Downwinder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:55 PM
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12. Baby Doc is allowed to return but Aristide is kept away? Bad news.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 12:21 AM
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40. Aristede doesn't even get a passing mention.
Must be that confounded left-wing media. Oh. Crap. Nevermind.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 12:31 AM
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41. Apparently, some of the people who met this individual at the airport
went there because there was a rumor Aristide had returned.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:37 AM
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43. And the hugs help keep friends close and enemies closer.
Someday someone will look back upon us and wonder: how did they not see the warning signs, rather than why did that dummy misspell Aristide.

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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 07:47 PM
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51. Bingo
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:38 PM
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19. Scarier in real life.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:15 PM
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25. As I was discussing this, I wondered, is this the price to remove the
hold put on the aid package?

If the hold is removed...
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:52 PM
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9. Evil cannibalistic fuck...
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Raine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 07:56 PM
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13. DISGUSTING ... Poor Haiti as if they didn't
have enough problems after that earthquake, now this. :-(
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:00 PM
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14. just what Haiti needs.
hasn't the universe shit on that country enough?
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bluesmail Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:17 PM
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15. Now then what's he up to and who's behind the curtain?
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mopinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:03 AM
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48. yes, who is behind the curtain? always the more interesting
question. and so rarely answered.
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era veteran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:17 PM
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16. Thief from a rotten family.
I wish he would free walk down the Grand Rue.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:36 PM
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17. At least he was gone for a while.
We got doctors who never leave: Poppy Doc Bush and Baby Doc Bush and Jebthro Doc Bush...
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Dappleganger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:37 PM
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18. The one time time I went to Haiti he was in power.
Spent 3 months there and it was pretty nerve-wracking. This is NOT a good thing.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:39 PM
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20. OK, arrest him, already
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 08:43 PM
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21. Nothing good ever came from the rule of the Duvaliers,
although from this article, it seems that some people have short memories:

"I don't know much about Jean-Claude Duvalier but I've heard he did good things for the country," said 34-year-old Joel Pierre. "I hope he will do good things again."

Nearby, 42-year-old Marline Joseph, living in the camp with her three kids, was also somewhat hopeful. "He's here, that's good. Now, what is he going to do for the country."

If they let him in, will they also let Aristide return? Or will the U.S. make sure that Aristide remains an exile?

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ooglymoogly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:05 PM
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22. Now that the popularly elected Aristede has been long dispatched.
Edited on Sun Jan-16-11 09:12 PM by ooglymoogly
For the state dpt.; the dictator, Baby doc and the Tonton Macoutes are just what the Dr ordered. A dictator who will ruthlessly honor, by torture and mayhem, the one sided trading agreements of the Clinton era; so they are making sure that Aristede does not return to disrupt their well laid plans for the continued rape of Haiti, while keeping its people beneath the wheel.
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christx30 Donating Member (774 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:05 PM
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23. This should end well
I don't see anything that could possibly go wrong with this, in any way. :sarcasm:
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Solly Mack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:07 PM
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24. K&R
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:17 PM
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26. K & R and Hissyspit, I put up a thread in GD, too.
I'm not sure how often people travel around the forums.

This one bothers me.

I'm wondering, as I said in this and the other thread, if this is a condition of removed the hold on aid to Haiti.

Would they be this blatant?

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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:27 PM
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27. Of course Baby Doc is back.....
...since no one else gives a fuck about Haiti. What did anyone expect? If it hadn't been him, before too long it would have been someone just like him. So in the end his presence there is little worse than the total neglect they've already suffered at our hands. Haiti has shown the world for what it truly is: A planet full of selfish assholes who won't lift a goddamned finger unless there's something in it for them. A world whose mouths are full of platitudes and nice-sounding noise bites for the evening news.

Baby Doc's back because nature abhors a vacuum.

- If they'd only had some oil......

K&R
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 09:50 PM
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28. Nobody gives a fuck except the majority party which is not allowed
to run candidates and the democratic leadership which we ran out of the hemisphere. And about half the households in America who sent something in when they were asked to.

Btw, Haiti does have oil. There was a big find right around the time of the earthquake -- a little before, iirc.

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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:19 PM
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29. "...and the democratic leadership which we ran out of the hemisphere."
- My point exactly.

{As for the oil - http://open.salon.com/blog/ezili_danto/2009/10/13/oil_in_haiti_-_economic_reasons_for_the_unus_occupation">this is not news, that was purely tongue-in-cheek. They've known it was there for quite some time. But there's no point in increasing production and lowering oil prices though, now is there???}
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:57 PM
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33. Haiti is exactly where money wants it to be, isn't it?
Weak government, NGOs have more power. A sitting duck. :(
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 11:23 PM
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36. Yes.
And in my view, we've reached the point -- worldwide -- where nothing short of a PLANET-WIDE GENERAL STRIKE to shut down all but the most necessary functions can wrest the power away from the corrupt few. All of which is theoretically possible, but will not likely happen.

Because to do so we'd all have to first agree that we're worth it and so is everyone else. That it's okay to be black or brown or red or yellow or white. That it doesn't matter if you're a woman doing a so-called "man's job." Or if you're a gay person who one day saves a Congresswoman's life. Or if you're transgender because you were born transgender and it's no one else's business what you are. Or that it matters which god you believe in -- or if you believe in one, or two or three gods -- or any at all. That it's not important if you're a redneck from Appalachia whose ancestors came here from Scotland in the early 1800s. Or a migrant worker from Guatemala whose people once lived all over the desert southwest of what is now called the USA. Or a Muslim from Detroit whose ancestors were brought to the New World in chains three centuries ago.

- That's how the powerful keeps their power over us. Not by addition, but by creating and maintaining divisions......

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FLPanhandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:12 AM
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47. Throw out one group, another takes it's place.
Unless you are talking about an anarchist revolution.

Power corrupts. Power protects itself. People in power think they know better/are better than the people they rule.

Every revolution leads to the same attitude...just different people.
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DeSwiss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 03:12 PM
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50. I will inot attempt.....
...trying to put a name to it. Call it whatever you will.

At best I think it might be described as an aspect or extension of NATURE. I've heard some call it a http://www.thevenusproject.com/a-new-social-design/resource-based-economy">resource-based society. One that assumes everyone in existence has an equal right to an equal share of the earth's bounty and resources. And where the hoarding and retention of its resources is not allowed to be held by a few, to the detriment of others.

- Whatever name that is, is what I'm talking about.
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Odin2005 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:23 PM
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30. The US-backed monstrous thug is back, you mean.
The only reason he would be back in the country is if the US is planning a coup. They must think Preval isn't being enough of a pro-corporate puppet.
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boppers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:57 AM
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44. Guess who forced him out. Go on, guess.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Claude_Duvalier#Destabilization

"In January 1986, the Reagan administration began to pressure Duvalier to renounce his rule and to leave Haiti. Representatives appointed by Jamaican Prime Minister Edward Seaga served as intermediaries who carried out the negotiations. At this point a number of Duvalierists, and business leaders, met with the Duvaliers and pressed for their departure. The United States rejected a request to provide asylum for Duvalier, but offered to assist with the Duvaliers' departure. Duvalier had initially accepted on January 30, 1986 and President Reagan actually announced his departure, based on a report from the Haitian CIA Station Chief who saw Duvaliers car head for the airport. En route, there was gunfire and Duvaliers party returned to the palace unnoticed by the U.S. intelligence team.<8> Duvalier declared we are as firm as a monkey tail. He departed on February 7, 1986, flying to France in an U.S. Air Force aircraft.<4>"
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rpannier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:43 PM
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31. Did he bring back all the money he stole? nt
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:45 PM
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32. Should know tomorrow morning why he came back


He was escorted from the airport in a heavily guarded convoy. He and his wife are staying at the luxury Caribbean Hotel, in the ritzy part of Port-au-Prince where foreign embassies are located and where the very wealthy Haitians live.

Access to the hotel is restricted with Haitian national police standing guard outside. Blue Helmets (U.N. occupying troops) are posted inside the building. Security agents from a private company named METRO are also guarding Baby Doc at the hotel.

Michelle Bennett, Baby Doc's wife, emerged briefly this evening to announce a news conference at 9 a.m. Monday in which he will explain why he returned unexpectedly.

The secretary general of the OAS, Miguel Insulza, is scheduled to arrive in the capital on Monday in relation to the recent presidential elections that no one is recognizing because of massive electoral fraud.

The city is rife with rumors. At first it was thought that Aristide had arrived so a lot of people tried to get to the airport, but they were turned back.

Another rumor is that Hillary may make a stop in Haiti (think she is in the Middle East this weekend).


(Gleaned info above from Latam media sources)

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msanthrope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 11:17 PM
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35. Michele Bennett is not his wife any longer. Magloire's granddaughter is. n/t
Edited on Sun Jan-16-11 11:17 PM by msanthrope
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rabs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 11:39 PM
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37. You are correct
Edited on Mon Jan-17-11 12:02 AM by rabs
(from Wiki)

In 1990 the former first lady (Michelle Bennett) was divorced from Baby Doc. The former dictator filed for divorce in the Dominican Republic, accusing his wife of immoral acts. Madame Duvalier contested the decision, flying to the Dominican Republic to obtain a reversal before her husband prevailed in a third court. Madame Duvalier was at the time living with another man in Cannes; she was awarded alimony and child support.<11>
She lives in France, where she now uses her maiden name.<10>

---------------

Below photos Ven. news agency is running with the story. Photos apparently taken today after Baby Doc arrived. They have confused Bennett with this lady.





(Edit to identify lady in photos above.)

Duvalier reportedly lives modestly in Paris with Veronique Roy, his longtime companion and chief public-relations representative.<9> Roy is the granddaughter of Paul Magloire, President of Hati from 1950 to 1956.<17><18>

-------------
Looking at Michelle Bennett's bio, seems she was a big, big high-roller, -- and corrupt to the bone.



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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 10:57 PM
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34. I thought he was dead
actually, I guess it was a hope.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 01:18 AM
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42. Me, too!
I had forgotten all about him. Until now. What do people say about a criminal returning to the scene of the crime? This doesn't bode well.
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awoke_in_2003 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 11:40 PM
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38. My dad's initials...
are "DOC" ( and Doc is his nickname). I was named after my grandfather ("ODC") because my mom didn't want me to be known as "Baby Doc". Just a curious little fact. This man, and his father, are nothing but pure evil.
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mbperrin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-16-11 11:57 PM
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39. I guess the aid can be split up and 10% distributed now.
The US is finally getting its way again.



Fuckers.
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burning rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 02:20 AM
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45. Where there is death, jackels are sure to appear.
*smh*
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 07:22 AM
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46. My God!
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:09 AM
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49. I almost crashed my car when I heard this on the radio yesterday
I'm surprised that "Basket-head" would dare set foot in Haiti.
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whogasa736 Donating Member (40 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 09:52 PM
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52. I think he showed up
For the 6 Billion bucks and here we go again .An ally with 2 million slaves.(Wear Blinders).
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struggle4progress Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:22 PM
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53. Baby Docs return bodes ill for Haiti (Porter | Toronto Star)
Published On Mon Jan 17 2011

... In the fall of 2007, President Ren Prval told reporters that Duvalier could return to Haiti but would face justice for the deaths of thousands of people and the theft of millions of dollars.

And yet, there he was, stepping off an Air France flight, dressed in a jacket and tie, greeted in the airport by a small gang of supporters ...

So far, hes said only that he wanted to be with his fellow countrymen on the anniversary of the earthquake, which killed more than 300,000 and left 1.5 million homeless.

But his timing also coincides with both the delivery of an independent report on last Novembers messy national elections, and the original date of the second-ballot since postponed to some time next month ...

http://www.thestar.com/news/world/article/922830--porter-baby-doc-s-return-bodes-ill-for-haiti?bn=1
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-17-11 10:25 PM
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54. Sheesh! Couldn't the Clinton/Bush Coalition have kept him OUTTA THERE?
What's going on here. And, Clinton's wife is SOS!

Were they not informed of this? It's quite shocking to me...but I'm sure I'm a Lone Bird in my view around here getting shocked about "Business as Usual" amongst Friends. :eyes:
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