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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 01:44 PM
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Cars torched, hate messages found in Jewish neighborhood
Source: MSNBC

NEW YORK Authorities say vandals torched three cars and scrawled Nazi swastikas and other hate messages on benches in a Jewish neighborhood in New York City, infuriating residents and causing thousands of dollars in damage.

The attack happened early Saturday in Brooklyn's Midwood section. Residents woke up at 5:30 a.m. to find the cars engulfed in flames. Someone spray painted the letters "KKK" on a van, and other messages targeting Jews were on the sidewalk.

Read more: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45269342/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.Tr6-eObrN2M
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 02:05 PM
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1. so apparently the perps here were a group of would be supremeists?
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 02:06 PM by azurnoir
from the article

Residents of the neighborhood tell local newspapers that they were outraged. One witness says she saw a group of laughing kids fleeing the scene.

still it is a disgusting act and the perps will hopefully be soon apprehended
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 02:50 PM
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4. What are you reading into that statement?
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 02:51 PM by oberliner
One witness (unnamed) supposedly seeing a group of laughing kids means what to you exactly?
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azurnoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:03 PM
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8. it was a combination of that and the KKK being painted on the van
how many witnesses would one expect at 5:30 am? do you think it was another group, if so who and why the KKK then?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 06:45 AM
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34. There were swastikas and SS insignias
Plus it was on the anniversary of kristallnacht and the cars were burned pretty extensively.

I think this points to a nazi or neo-nazi organization.
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 02:25 PM
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2. More TeaTerror. n/t
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 02:52 PM
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5. I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that this was the Tea Party's doing
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Ian David Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 02:55 PM
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6. Not necessarily Tea Party, but home-grown Conservative terrorists. Same thing. n/t
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:32 PM
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11. Anti-semites at the very least.
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 03:34 PM by sakabatou
"No shit, Sherlock."
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 12:58 PM
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28. Antisemitism is not not necessarily a left vs right issue. I know it's convenient
to blame this on Tea Party people, but anti antisemitism existed long before the Tea Party and long before the present left vs right political alignment that we have now even existed.
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Zorra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 07:59 AM
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35.  Would it be ok to blame this on right wing authoritarian conservatives?
I really don't see this as a puppy saving bleeding heart liberal kind of phenomenon.

Maybe the nasty people that did this were not card carrying Tea party members, but it is highly probable that they were RW authoritarian conservative extremists of some sort.

Glen Beck and Anne Coulter might vehemently disagree with these statements, but, well, ya know...

Tea Party Debate: Let Them Die

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy9TvrSGVHE
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 06:56 PM
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19. Doubt it.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 08:05 PM
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20. Anti-semitism and racism in NY were there well before the Tea Party. nt
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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 03:01 AM
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24. Unfortunately, I don't think any one locale has a corner on bigotry.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 12:45 PM
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27. Yeah like there's no bigotry in RI
:eyes:
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 01:34 PM
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30. Plenty of it
and little of.it due to tea baggers - which was my only point.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 01:41 PM
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31. On that we agree nt

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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 02:28 PM
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3. team limbaugh/hannity were suggesting OWS was anti semitic because they opposed wall st, which,
according to them, is very jewish.

that was one of the talk radio memes that can't be sold on fox or leave in writing on many sites but is fine to repeat on radio for months..
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:22 PM
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16. Such a stupid meme....I'd bet a good third of the people at OWS are Jewish themselves.n/t
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certainot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 09:59 PM
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22. and i'll bet limbaugh will associate it with OWS, to tens of millions
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 05:46 PM
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32. Of course. n/t
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virgdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 02:56 PM
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7. This is really disturbing to me on so many levels...
I know this neighborhood very well - my Aunt lived there in the 50's and 60's and I spent much time in the Midwood section of Brooklyn. As a Jew, I'm outraged that this has happened in New York, no less. I really wonder if we will ever be rid of rampant anti-Semitism. I fear not with this story.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:24 PM
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9. Sounds to me like the OWS opposers have set up
another OWS hates Jews scenario for themselves. This was done to blame OWS, I'll bet Fox is all over it.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:28 PM
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10. What makes you think that?
That seems like a pretty convoluted explanation.

Aren't there much more likely scenarios?
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:34 PM
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12. Yes, there are other plausible
scenarios. It's the timing that makes me suspicious. The other scenarios could have happened at any time...they didn't. So what's different now? OWS is different and fox and friends have been on it for weeks that they are a bunch of anti-Semitics.


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No Elephants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 03:05 AM
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25. There are other possible scenarios. Whether they are more likely than Rethugs faking something
to pin on a group they dislike is debatable.

I believe Rethugs do that quite often.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 07:36 AM
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26. I'd be surprised
I mean anything is possible, but it seems a lot more likely that it was a skinhead-type group of some kind.
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russspeakeasy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:37 PM
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13. I've been scratching my head for 50 years.
I was in the Navy with a guy that said, "I hate Jews". I asked him why and his answer was "Everybody does".
WTF? Have we progressed at all ? I'm not Jewish, but the guy was lucky he didn't say he hated people who boxed in civilian life.
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whathehell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:28 PM
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17. The answer by the guy in the navy speaks volumes about him. Anyone who "hates" people because, in
Edited on Sat Nov-12-11 05:31 PM by whathehell
his view "everybody does" is the ultimate conformist moron, one who can't even think through his own prejudices...Duh.

I'm not Jewish either and I don't hate any ethnic or religious group and never have...This incident in Brooklyn

is probably the work of a few right wing skin heads...I don't blame the neighborhood for being furious.
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crusader484 Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 03:51 PM
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14. disgraceful
i thought it was 2011...not 1961
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Lucky Luciano Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 04:30 PM
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15. Kristalnacht (sp?) anniversary it appears. Def seems like skinheads. nt
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iamthebandfanman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 05:33 PM
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18. any time theres a workers movement
the f'in nazi/fascists come out and try to hijack it..

nothing new.

if anything, shows they are worried about the shift away from their right wing path
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Little Tich Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-12-11 10:21 PM
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23. New clues in Brooklyn after anti-Semitic attack - ABC News
Source: WABC TV New York

MIDWOOD, Brooklyn (WABC) -- There are new clues in a startling anti-Semitic attack in a Jewish neighborhood in Brooklyn.

People living in Midwood woke up Friday to cars set on fire and swastikas spray painted on the vehicles, a building and benches.

Kings County District Attorney Charles Hynes says police have recovered 27 beer bottles and are testing them for DNA.

Midwood neighbors awoke on Friday to explosions and fire; cars burning along Ocean Parkway between Avenues I and J.

Read More: http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8429775
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I hope they find these knuckle-walking idiots.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-13-11 01:12 PM
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29. Could be anyone
Though the notion that any Midwood residents did this is laughable.

Ocean Parkway and Avenue I is right off the BQE. Still, my bet would be kids from one of apartment buildings but that's a guess.
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 06:44 AM
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33. Anniversary of Kristallnacht
The three cars were burned pretty badly. And Nazi-specific graffiti was present (not just the swastika, but also the SS insignia).

Seems to be a bit more organized than just kids from an apartment building.
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-14-11 09:23 PM
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36. Really?
And what makes you think kids from an apartment building can't scrawl common antisemitic slogans and torch cars?
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oberliner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 08:00 AM
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37. They certainly can
I am just suggesting that it seems a bit more planned out based on the timing and the specific nature of the crime.

Have you heard of any arrests being made as yet?
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TomClash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-15-11 08:42 AM
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38. You could be right - I don't know
It's a guess on my part, given the area. There are a number of yeshivas, synagogues, day care centers and health facilities there. It is odd that they'd pick three cars on the street. There is a mediocre, mostly nonjewish public high school on the other side of the BQE and some apartment buildings. But it could be an organized antisemitic group too.

There have not been any arrests yet. There will be though because it has gotten a lot of press, this community does a lot for Brooklyn and the police are all over it.

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