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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 03:44 PM
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Did Rumsfeld feed Clinton lies about Iraq?

I got this in my notes.

HUGE: Donald Rumsfeld FED CLINTON THE LIES ABOUT HUSSEIN....
You must MUST MUST READ THESE... and SHARE THEM...Rumsfeld IS the source of ALL the lies that the bush regime is RESPONSIBLE FOR, in iraq.... <http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/1998_cr/s980731-rumsfeld.htm> <http://www.safefoundation.org/nmd/citizen_brief2.asp> See what pops up when you google "rumsfeld foreign commission clinton"... Then witness the power this man has to control forign policy on wars and invasion....


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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 03:49 PM
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1. Absolutely!
Rumsfeld not only fed him lies about Iraq but used the Defense Policy Board to pressure Clinton to dump money back into missile defense. The Defense Policy Board is hawked as a quasi-governmental office when it is nothing more than a lobby org designed to rebut pentagon studies for the purpose of enriching war profiteers.

There was an episode of Frontline that demonstrates the strong arm tactics of this group...the same group that brought us the IRaq War.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/missile/threat/
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cosmicdot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 05:41 PM
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2. and, the DPB members meet no confirmation process
and they're inside the Pentagon ...

I bet their meetings are interesting


Kenneth Adelman

Former aide to Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

He is currently a national editor for The Washingtonian magazine.


Senior counselor at Edelman Public Relations Worldwide.


Former deputy U.S. representative to the United Nations (1981 - 1983).

Former director of the US Arms Control and Disarmament Agency (1983 - 1987).

Richard Allen

Senior counselor to APCO Worldwide, a public affairs and strategic communications firm, with whom he is a registered lobbyist for Alliance Aircraft.

Former national security adviser.

Senior fellow at the Hoover Institution.

An international business consultant in Washington, D.C.

Martin Anderson

Keith and Jan Hurlbut Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University.

Worked for President Nixon's campaign in 1968.


Policy adviser for the presidential campaigns of Ronald Reagan (1976 - 1980), Pete Wilson (1995), Bob Dole (1996) and George W. Bush (2000).

Gary S. Becker

Rose-Marie and Jack R. Anderson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University . (Hoover Institution Newsletter 2001)

Nobel laureate in economics.

Professor at the University of Chicago.

Economic policy adviser for the Dole presidential campaign (1996).

Barry M. Blechman

Founder and president of DFI International, a consulting firm for government as well as the private sector.

Chairman of the Henry L. Stimson Center, a nonprofit research group that deals with peace and security issues.


Harold Brown.

Partner at Warburg Pincus & Co., an investment firm (1990-present).

A counselor at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Former Secretary of Defense under Carter (1977-1981).

Former chairman of the Foreign Policy Institute of the Johns Hopkins University Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies. (1984-1992).

Eliot Cohen.

Professor and director of the Strategic Studies Program at the Johns Hopkins University Paul H. Nitze School of Advanced International Studies (SAIS) .

Author of the Book, Supreme Command: Soldiers, Statesman, and Leadership in Wartime.

Former member of the strategy department of the United States Naval War College.

Devon Cross

Executive Director of the Donors Forum.
Member of the Board of directors of the Center for Strategic & Budgetary Assessments.


Gen. (Ret.) Ronald R. Fogleman

He is a member of the board of directors of several defense-related companies including Rolls-Royce North America, North American Airlines, AAR Corporation and the Mitre Corp. More than $900 million in contracts were awarded in 2000 to companies on whose boards he sits.

He served in the United States Air Force (1963-1997).

Currently president and COO of the Bar J Cattle Company.

Chairman and CEO of Durango Aerospace, Inc.
Former member of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Has served as a military advisor to the Secretary of Defense, the National Security Council and the President.

Thomas Foley.

A partner at Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld law firm (2001 - present).


Former US ambassador to Japan (1997-2001).

Former speaker of the House of Representatives. (1989-1994).


A registered lobbyist.

Tillie Fowler

Former Congressional representative.

Partner in the law firm Holland & Knight. (2001-present).

Newt Gingrich

CEO of the Gingrich Group, a consulting firm.


Former Speaker of the House (1995-1999).

A senior fellow at the American Enterprise Institute.
A distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution.
An analyst for Fox News.

Gerald Hillman

He has had shared investment interests with former Chairman Richard Perle.

The managing director of Hillman Capital Corp., a New York-based private investment firm.


Gen. (Ret.) Charles A. Horner

Retired member of US air force.
Former commander in chief of North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) and the US Space Command.


Fred C. Ikle

Chairman of the US Committee for Human Rights in North Korea.

A distinguished scholar at the Center for Strategic and International Studies.

Former undersecretary of defense for policy under President Reagan.
Former director of the US Arms Control and Disarmament Agency (1973-1977).

David Jeremiah, Admiral.

He is serving as a director or advisor for at least five corporations doing business with the Defense Department. In 2002, these five businesses were awarded more than $10 billion worth of contracts with the Pentagon.


Admiral (US Navy, Ret. in 1994). (MITRE website)


Member of MITRE.

President of Technology Strategies & Alliances Corporation, a strategic advisory and investment banking firm engaged primarily in the aerospace, defense, telecommunications and electronics industries. (MITRE website)


Former Deputy Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.


Member of a National Reconnaissance Advisory Panel. (MITRE website)

Member of the National Defense Panel. (MITRE website)

Member of the Defense Science Board Task Force on Human Resources. (MITRE website)

In 1994, he served as vice chairman, Joint Chiefs of Staff to Generals Powell and Shalikashvili. (MITRE website)


B.A., business administration, University of Oregon. (MITRE website)

Masters, financial management, George Washington University. (MITRE website)

He has been a member of the MITRE Board of Trustees since 1999. (MITRE website)

Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs (JINSA) board member. .

Henry Kissinger

Former Secretary of State under President Richard Nixon (1973-1977).

Member of Hollinger's International Advisory Board.

Chairman of Kissinger Associates, an international consulting firm.
Former consultant to Unocal oil company.

Alleged war criminal.

Adm. (Ret.) William Owens

Board member of five companies (some of which are listed below), which received more than $60 million in defense contracts during 2002.

Current co-chief executive officer and vice chairman of Teledesic LLC.

Board member of Symantec, a technology/internet security company that was awarded more than $60 million in defense contracts in 2002. Pentagon contracts during the previous year had amounted to considerably less - only $95,000.
Former president, chief operating officer and vice chair of Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC).

Former vice Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Architect of the Revolution in Military Affairs (RMA), an advanced systems technology approach to military operations.


Richard Perle.

Official biographical information

Former Chairman of the Defense Policy Board.

Research fellow at the American Enterprise Institute for Public Policy Research .

Member of the Board of Advisors of Foundation for Defense of Democracy (FDD) , a pro-Israeli organization, which �conducts research and education on international terrorism � the most serious security threat to the United States and other free, democratic nations. Perle shares his position on the FDD board with Charles Krauthammer, William Kristol, and Gary Bauer, all of home are well-known for their adamant pro-Israeli viewpoints.

Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs (JINSA) board member .

Former chairman and chief executive officer of Hollinger Digital, Inc., the media management and investment arm of Hollinger International, a newspaper publishing company (AEI website)

Former director of Jerusalem Post. (AEI website)

Former assistant secretary of defense for international security policy, 1981-1987. (AEI website)

Former staff aid to US Senator Henry Jackson, 1969-1980. (AEI website)

Producer, PBS, The Gulf Crisis: The Road to War, 1992. (AEI website)

M.A., political science, Princeton University. (AEI website)

BA, University of Southern California. (AEI website)

Additional information about Richard Perle

He is an adamant supporter of Israel.

At present, he has access to all manner of classified information and "he's in the loop on war planning." (Marshall 12-17-2001)

He was investigated in 1980s for possible ties to the Israeli espionage case involving Jonathan Jay Pollard. (Steinberg 10-26-2001)

"An FBI summary of a 1970 wiretap recorded Perle discussing classified information with someone at the Israeli embassy. He came under fire in 1983 when newspapers reported he received substantial payments to represent the interests of an Israeli weapons company. Perle denied conflict of interest, insisting that, although he received payment for these services after he had assumed his position in the Defense Department, he was between government jobs when he worked for the Israeli firm." (Findley 1989, chapter 5; see also Saba 1984)

Dan Quayle.

Former Vice President.

Henry Rowen.

Former assistant secretary of defense for international security affairs (1961-1964, 1989-1991).

Professor of public policy and management emeritus at Stanford University's Graduate School of Business and a fellow at the Hoover Institution.
James Schlesinger.

Member of MITRE

Senior advisor at Lehman Brothers, and investment banking firm.

Former director of the Central Intelligence Agency.
Former Defense and Energy Secretary.
Gen. (Ret.) Jack Sheehan

Senior vice president of Bechtel and partner who is responsible for the business strategy in the region that includes Europe, Africa, the Middle East and Southwest Asia. Bechtel, which is privately owned, is one of the world's largest engineering-construction firms. It is bidding on contracts to rebuild post-war Iraq.

US Marine Corp. (1962-1997)
Retired four-star general, who served as NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Atlantic and Commander in Chief, US Atlantic Command.

Kiron Skinner

PHD, Harvard University in 1994. (Thomas 10-19-2001)

Currently an assistant professor of history, political science and public policy at Carnegie Mellon , where she has been since 1999. She specializes in the study of American foreign policy, international relations theory and international security. (Thomas 10-19-2001)

Co-editor of the book, Reagan: In His Own Hand. (Thomas 10-19-2001)

Previously conducted research for former Secretary of State George P. Shultz's memoir and assisted Stanford University Professor Condoleezza Rice with research on a diplomatic history of German unification. (Thomas 10-19-2001)

W. Glenn Campbell Research Research fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. (Thomas 10-19-2001)

Fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations . (Thomas 10-19-2001)

Walter B. Slocombe

Attorney for the Washington, DC office of Caplin & Drysdale.

Former principal deputy assistant secretary of defense in international security affairs in the US Department of Defense (1979 -1981).
Former under secretary of defense for policy in the US Department of Defense (1994-2001).

Hal Sonnenfeldt

Director of the Atlantic Council of the United States.

A Trustee at Johns Hopkins University.
Guest scholar at the Brookings Institution.
Former counselor at the State Department (1974 -1977).

Ruth Wedgwood

Professor of law at Johns Hopkins University, School of Advanced International Studies.
Professor at Yale University Law School.
Senior fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations as an expert in international organizations and law.


Chris Williams

Former special assistant for policy matters to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.
Works for Johnston & Associates, whose clients have included Boeing, TRW and Northrop Grumman.

A registered lobbyist. He lobbies for defense companies.


Pete Wilson.

Former California governor (1991-1999).

Distinguished visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution.
Former Senator (1983-1991).
James Woolsey

Jewish Institute of National Security Affairs (JINSA) board member. .

Vice president of Booz Allen Hamilton (July 2002 - present), which had contracts worth more than $680 in 2002.

A principal of the Paladin Capital Group, a venture-capital firm that is soliciting investment for homeland security firms..

A member of Paladin's Homeland Security Fund Investment Committee.

Practiced law for 22 years as a partner of Shea & Gardner in Washington, DC

Former Director of the CIA under Clinton (1993-95).



3 Notes on Current Board.

Ties to Defense Industry. Research by the Center for Public Integrity revealed that as of December 2002, Defense Policy Board members had ties to several prominent defense-related companies like Boeing, TRW, Northrop Grumman, Lockheed Martin and Booz Allen Hamilton as well as some smaller firms like Symantec Corp., Technology Strategies and Alliance Corp., and Polycom Inc. Furthermore, the organization discovered that of the 30 board members "at least nine have ties to companies that have won more than $76 billion in defense contracts in 2001 and 2002." Additionally, four of the members "are registered lobbyists, one of whom represents two of the three largest defense contractors."



Focus of Board changed under Rumsfeld and Perle. Observers have noted that the scope of the board's focus has broadened under the Bush administration. While traditionally it had advised the Secretary of Defense on "long-term policy issues such as the strategic implications of defense policies and tactical considerations, including what types of weapons the military should develop," under Rumsfeld and Perle, the board has become more involved with issues relating to the overall objectives of US foreign policy.
For example, in July 2002, a guest speaker - who had been invited by then-chairman Richard Perle - gave a presentation in which he "recommended that US officials give an ultimatum to stop backing terrorism or face seizure of its oil fields and its financial assets invested in the United States."



4 Recent Board Members

Mich�le A. Flournoy.

A member of the Council on Foreign Relations .

A member of the Executive Board of Women in International Security . (Center for Strategic & International Studies n.d.)

A senior director to the International Security Program at the Center for Strategic & International Studies . (Center for Strategic & International Studies n.d.)

George P. Shultz

Former US secretary of state.

Thomas W. and Susan B. Ford Distinguished Fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University . (Hoover Institution Newsletter 2001). (Hoover Institution Newsletter 2001)



http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/organization/profiles/defensepolicyboard.html

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Carolina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 06:22 PM
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3. does a bear
shit in the woods?!
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MrSlayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 06:28 PM
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4. Without a doubt. Except the Big Dog didn't bite on it.
He knew better.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 07:49 PM
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8. He nibbled now and then I think
Like when he bombed Baghdad, but as smart as he was he probably found the honest people he could rely on and set about to undermine the fascist agenda for world conquest. I wouldn't doubt that the Hart-Commission and other anti-terror measures that Clinton put forward were known by him to be at odds with what the Bushistas had in store for the country.

Indeed Clinton was a serious threat to the Bush plans for world conquest because he threatened there "in house" terrorist network. :grr:
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 06:30 PM
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5. Yes
That's what a Bushevik Stooge does...lie.

And lie and lie and lie and lie and lieandlieandlieandlieandlielielielielie!
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 06:43 PM
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6. yes. Don rumsfeld's 1998 Security Commission report was rehashed to BUSH
et al....

Google it.
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9215 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-19-04 07:32 PM
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7. Now I wonder about all of the other intel
Clinton was getting. How accurate was it? Was it deliberately falsified to make Clinton look incompetent?


I understand that Poppy was recieving daily reports from the CIA all through the '90s, which was considered very unusual, but OK legally for ex-Presidents. I dont' have any links for this; it was something I read a while ago and have never found any corroboration.

If true it sure would be nice to know what Poppy's role was during this time. If I were to venture a guess I would say that he worked very hard to turn Iraq into a demon as well as undermine Clinton's foreign policy.

This lies at the root of the problem with our intelligence "failures". There were the honest people in the intelligence community that supplied good intel, but the "cowboys"/Christians in Action crowd politicized the environment.



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