God Bless Young Republicans - White Only Scholarship

[ThomWV]

I swear to goodness. A whites only scholarship sponsored by the Young Republicans. Make good and sure that every single black friend, acquaintence, and coworker you have knows about this one. With luck it will result in Bush not receiving a single black vote anywhere in the country.

I've always known that the majority of young people who considered themselves to be Republicans to be idiots, but this really is the height of stupidity.

[Cynicelle]

1. Link?

I want to pass this on.

[papau]

2. Roger Williams University GOP club - link below

http://www.rwucr.com/

[Cynicelle]

4. Thanks

Unbelievable. Notice how they have an ad promoting Black History Month on the same page? The hypocrisy is laughable.

[Brian Sweat]

5. You misread it.

"Reginald Jones, in observance of Black History Month, will be speaking at RWU on the subject of "How the Civil Rights Movement Destroyed the Black Community", Wednesday, February 18th at 8 PM; in CAS 157."

It some guy blaming the civil rights movement for destroying the black community. It just further highlights their racism. They have a White only scholarship and a step'n'fetch to lament about how much better off black people were before they got uppity.

[newyawker99]

55. Conscious Liberal!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[EDT]

3. CNN story

http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/15/whites.only.ap/index.html

[cmf]

6. This part made me laugh out loud

Mattera, who is of Puerto Rican descent, is himself a recipient of a $5,000 scholarship open only to a minority group.

Hypocrisy, thy name is Young Republican.

edited to add CNN Link
http://www.cnn.com/2004/EDUCATION/02/15/whites.only.ap/index.html

[The_Gopher]

44. It's tough being a white guy these days, for example.....

People just don't realize how hard it is being a white guy these days with THE MAN trying to keep my neck pinned down under his big ol' boot of oppression. When I'm out at night, cops don't even look at me, man. What's a cracker gotta do for a little bit of attention? And anytime that I'm in a clothing store, bunches of employees are all up in my face trying to sell me stuff and whatnot. I just want to try on my Old Navy cargopants without some headset-wearing sales associate being like, "Can I help you with something, sir?" When I apply for a job, I often receive a callback, and in the past I've actually been hired. Do you really think I want to work? Hells no. And when old ladies see me heading their way, none of them ever clutch their purses or walk to the other side of the street. Am I not hardcore? Do I not scare you, little old lady? Please. Haven't you heard Limp Bizkit? Have you not listened to Eminem? Or Staind? White dudes have a lot to piss and moan about, y'all. Not exactly sure what about, but it's high time that society started treating white guys a little more favorably. For real, yo.

Not to mention the unfair stereotypying of white guys in movies and television. Always showing us as holding good jobs, running businesses, obeying the law, driving fancy cars, being in powerful and respected positions, or just as hardworking types simply trying to do the best for their families. Don't you know the kind of pressure that places on us as a people?

[cosmicdot]

7. are they hoping for some legal battle?

the good ol'boys must be sending the message these young republicans want to hear or is encouraging them

wonder if the University knows about this ... it sure sounds out of sync with RWU's Core Values


"Roger Williams University is a community devoted to teaching and learning, wherein students pursue both personal and intellectual growth. The University's mission is to teach students to think, reason, and communicate; to develop expertise in their chosen fields of study; to appreciate established disciplines and to investigate interdisciplinary connections; to experience study and life abroad; to value cultural diversity; to develop ethical awareness; and to preserve intellectual curiosity throughout a lifetime." From the University Mission Statement
http://www.rwu.edu/About+RWU/Core+Values/

[papau]

10. I contacted the Roger Williams Admin -they say its a club and will do nada

about it

So it meets those university core values, I guess.

[nemo137]

14. no, it means that the administration does not feel

it's appropriate to censor protected speech on campus. that's different that endorsing it.

[central scrutinizer]

8. There is another one at Texas A&M

http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news/2004/02/18/TopStories/Am.Yct.Creates.New.Scholarship-610219.shtml
And this one is for a serious chunk of change, not the $50 chump change.

[2004Donkeys]

50. This is not a whites-only scholarship though

It's a scholarship for a essay opposing affirmative action for $10,000.

Not saying that it's right, but it's less egregious than the whites only scholarship.

[ma4t]

58. OK, explain please

I'll probably regret this but...... could you please explain why a "whites only" scholarship is egregious without invoking an argument that boils down to something along the lines of "racial discrimination is wrong".

I confess that I am confused by many here (not necessarily implying that you are one) who simultaneously decry racial descrimination and support governmental policies that are racially discriminatory.

[Dees]

9. These white-wingers are advised by a liberal. She

does not approve of the scholarship but does believe that monetary awards based on color are discrimination.

[a priori]

11. Hilarious!

That is hysterical. I'm forwarding that little piece of info to all my minority friends, and ESPECIALLY making sure the republican ones see it.

[newyawker99]

56. Hi a priori!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

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[Andy_Stephenson]

13. That was a quick tombstone

GOOD!

[truizm]

15. I really despise young republicans

I have been conditioned now to get the sensation of throwing up whenever I see one now -- honestly.

[Vernunft II]

16. You´re probably going to crucify me for saying that but

I think these guys have it right. There are a lot of white americans who can´t get any collegue funding (My wife was one of them...) because their family is too poor to pay for it. I think that´s a terrible injustice as well. I´m not saying abolish all affirmative action, I´m fully aware that the average black or hispanic kid has it alot harder than the average white kid but the number of white families able to pay a kid through collegue is decreasing fast and when I read the economic problems of board members here and project it to the general population I forsee a pretty damn bad future.

[ComerPerro]

17. Would it interest you to know

That the head of this group of College Nazis ... ... I mean College Republicans ... is recieving a scholarship that is only available to minorities? And yet he is saying that scholarships should only be given on merit?

Maybe this FReeper motherfucker should really make a statement and give up his scholarship, maybe apply to one open to all people so that he has to earn it on merit alone and not his race.

I am sorry, I am not trying to be rude to you. It's just that these little wannabe fascist cowards in College Republicans really piss me off. I know several of them, I see them all the time.

[Vernunft II]

18. I read the kid who initiated this was puertorican

and has a scholarship. Why would he give it up and ruin his life to make a statement ? What could possibly be gained by that ?
His point is that the system right now is not just and getting more unbalanced every day. I agree with that.

I also do not understand your hate. Maybe that´s because I´ve never seen a US collegue from the inside. I studied in Germany where education is free for everyone who has the necessary grades.

[sangh0]

23. Why would he give it up and ruin his life to make a statement ?

Because he says he thinks it's wrong to take the money, and he has some principles. Oh wait, that can't be it!!

If it's OK to keep whatever money he can get his hands on, then why is he giving scholarship money to whites?

[ComerPerro]

32. Exactly

If it is wrong for minorities to be given scholarships that are only available to minority groups, and he thinks that all scholarships should be based on merit, perhaps the first place to start would be by giving up his scholarship.

[Vernunft II]

46. What I said is

that by giving up his own scholarship he´s going to ruin his life because without said scholarship he won´t be able to get an education. Why would he throw away his chances for a wellpaid job to point out that the current policy is wrong ? That´d be quite idiotic, wouldn´t it ?

[ComerPerro]

51. Yes but by moving to get rid of scholarships for which only minorities are

eligible, he risks ruining the life of someone in a similar situation.

Why should he get to benifit from a policy that he says is unfair, but then act to make sure that no one in his situation will be able to get a scholarship.

If he truly believes that scholarships should be only based on merit, why doesn't that spineless shithead apply for one that is based solely on merit?

Could it be that, deep down, he knows he is unqualified????

What kind of greedy asshole takes and takes, and then seeks to destroy the system that helped prop him up once it has served its purpose for him?

[Iris]

28. I'm not trying to nitpick

but what you write doesn't make sense. Your wife didn't get a scholarhip because her parents were too poor to pay for it?

If you mean her parents were indeed too poor to pay for college, than I am certain that there was some type of financial aid avaiable. It may have amounted to a bunch of student loans, but many, many, many white students from middle class families receive financial aid, often in the way of federally funded student loan programs.

[sangh0]

30. To go further

those student loan (and grant) programs go disproportionally to whites. In fact, if you took all of AA's beneficiaries and counted them by race, the biggest group would be.....(drumroll).....WHITE PEOPLE!

Not bad for a "race-based" program, huh?

[Vernunft II]

47. She was top of her class but running is the wrong sport

to get collegue money. Her family was too poor to pay her through collegue and she couldn´t get any scholarship because she´s white. Incidentally that happened in Rhode Island as well, in the late 80s.

I´ve seen the papers, it´s a fact. I couldn´t believe it coming from Germany where everyone get´s to study provided you have the grades.

[Iris]

52. She couldn't get a scholarship, but she still should have

been able to get federal aid - loans probably, but loans still got many people through college at that time and still do now.

[marie123]

34. I remember

one year in Boston when the NAACP had extra money (that is the only way to explain) and there were those in Boston who tried to get them to use it on some poor white kids. They said no.

so i am glad poor white kids now have a place to apply for money

[Iris]

37. Poor white kids have plenty of places to apply for money.

Pell Grants, for one, are not racially exclusive.

[Vernunft II]

48. As my case shows there are not enough.

[Iris]

53. But there are.

This is still a country where most people can get a college education if they want one. It may not be like what one sees on tv or movies, but the opportunities are still there.

[Tansy_Gold]

54. I'm white and I got both scholarships and loans

all of which were based on financial need.

I certainly would not want to call anyone a, um, fibber about college funding, but I don't know of any state college or university in this country that doesn't have some kind of aid program for top-ranking high school students.

My daughter graduated HS in 1994, #3 in her class with enough AP credits to have a 4.27 GPA (with 4.0 being straight A's) and was offered, just as a matter of public policy in the state of Arizona, tuition waivers to any and all of the state universities -- Arizona State, U of Arizona, Northern Arizona U. Arizona is not what you'd call one of your "higher education is a high priority" states. She chose instead to go out of state to a small private university, where she received a substantial scholarship package that was supplemented by loans. After three years at this school, she decided to finish at Arizona State, and as a transfer student with a 3.98 average, she was awarded a tuition waiver.

When I, at age 50, decided to go back to college in 1998, I had no difficulty finding student loan money. After one semester with a 4.0 average, I applied for and received a tuition waiver that remained in place for my remaining three semesters of undergraduate work.

While the cost of college is often seen as prohibitive, what I learned from my experience and that of people with whom I attended classes is that there are many ways of finding the funding for education, but not for the living expenses. And college takes a lot of time that can't be used for earning the money to make up the difference between even loan funding (mine came to a grand total of $10,000 a year, which is pretty hard to live on even if you don't have to pay tuition and books out of it) and what it costs for housing, food, transportation, etc.

Sports aren't the only sources of funding, regardless of one's race or ethnic background. Someone who really wants to go to college, especially when they're young and don't have a lot of family obligations, can usually find a way unless they have particularly inflexible requirements. There are, of course, exceptions: when there isn't an affordable college or university close by, which is a situation I was in for many years before I went back.

But I think it's morally dishonest to say that white people don't have opportunities for scholarships or financial aid JUST BECAUSE THEY'RE WHITE; I never saw anything on my FAFSA that excluded me.

Tansy Gold, old white woman

[LeahMira]

59. Good for you!

I certainly would not want to call anyone a, um, fibber about college funding, but I don't know of any
state college or university in this country that doesn't have some kind of aid program for top-ranking
high school students.

Congratulations on going back to school at age 50. It's not easy but it's definitely worthwhile.

There are plenty of scholarships available, some of which actually go unused. The problem seems to be twofold: either people don't know about them (research, research, research!) or they don't apply to certain programs or with certain colleges.

Still, the point is to get yourself accepted. You can always switch majors or switch colleges later on when you've proved that you are a good student, and you can qualify for a scholarship from another source if need be, also once you've proved your mettle.

Some people complain because they can't get in to the college of their choice. With so many colleges in the country, there's probably one that fits your needs, even if it doesn't happen to be your first choice. It might even work out better over the long run.

As I see it, there are two choices: take the best you can get and get an education, or refuse everything because it isn't what your heart is set on, get no education at all, and complain about discrimination until you're 80.

[AgadorSparticus]

19. This is STUPID! The kid's a Puerto Rican on a scholarship himself!

Apparently, in his infinite wisdom, he still hasn't learned the definition of hypocrisy. Something isn't right here and it's not just the dumbass kid who started this laughable scholarship. What a cheap media ploy if you ask me.

[_Jumper_]

20. Their methods are appalling but they have a point

Race or ethnicity based scholarships are discrimantory.

[sangh0]

24. There are no race-based scholarships

so please stop distorting the facts. Race-based programs are illegal.

[Iris]

38. are we talking about federally or state-funded scholarships?

[sangh0]

41. No, all scholarships

Discrimnation based on race is illegal.

[Vernunft II]

49. Exactly what I´m saying. Support people with brains, not with pigments !

[TexasMexican]

21. I dont see what the problem is?

Yeah they are Republicans and they have all the problems that thier ideology brings with it.

However, whats the problem?

Is it wrong for a private group to provide a scholarship for whoever they want to?

If the KKK itself had a white only scholarship wouldnt it be within thier rights to do so? Is there something immoral or unethical about them doing such a thing with thier own money?

I also see alot of people calling this guy a hypocrit for having a Hispanic scholarship.

What if I had a hispanic scholarship and I wanted to make a new black only scholarship? Would that make me a hypocrit?

Also just because he is "Hispanic" that doesnt mean that he isnt also "white."

I'm Mexican-American and here in Texas most of us have "white" on our birth certificate. There are also those that have "black."

Personally I think this whole thing is a big joke, yeah a hispanic kid giving "white" kids a $50 scholarship. Then they are acting all serious and shit just to get on all the news media. Its one big joke, I can sense it from here.

[TexasMexican]

22. Bump

I'm interested to see what people have to say about my post?

[sangh0]

25. You don't see a problem with illegal discrimination?

It's illegal to provide race-based scholarships.

I also see alot of people calling this guy a hypocrit for having a Hispanic scholarship.

It wasn't a "Hispanic scholarship". It was an Affirmative Action scholarship. It's based on discrimination, not race.

[TexasMexican]

29. Its illegal?

I never knew that race based scholarships were illegal.

What type of law is that? Is it a federal law? Got any citation. I think thats pretty interesting, and I dont necessarily agree with it.

I feel that if a black group wants to start a black only scholarship, or a hispanic group wants a hispanic only scholarship, or yes even a white group, they should be allowed to.

[sangh0]

31. Yes, they are illegal

What type of law is that? Is it a federal law? Got any citation.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964

[TexasMexican]

33. Where does it talk about private scholarships?

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/laws/majorlaw/civilr19.htm

I cant seem to find anything in it that would make private scholarships to people of one race or another illegal? :shrug:

[sangh0]

35. Where? At the very beginning

"To enforce the constitutional right to vote, to confer jurisdiction upon the district courts of the United States to provide injunctive relief against discrimination in public accommodations, to authorize the Attorney General to institute suits to protect constitutional rights in public facilities and public education, to extend the Commission on Civil Rights, to prevent discrimination in federally assisted programs, to establish a Commission on Equal Employment Opportunity, and for other purposes"

[sangh0]

36. And here

"SEC. 202. All persons shall be entitled to be free, at any establishment or place, from discrimination or segregation of any kind on the ground of race, color, religion, or national origin, if such discrimination or segregation is or purports to be required by any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, rule, or order of a State or any agency or political subdivision thereof. "

[TexasMexican]

39. Are private scholarships "federally assisted programs."

I didnt think they would be?

[sangh0]

42. Framing the issue?

Read the WHOLE TEXT!!

""To enforce the constitutional right to vote, to confer jurisdiction upon the district courts of the United States to provide injunctive relief against discrimination in public accommodations, to authorize the Attorney General to institute suits to protect constitutional rights in public facilities and public education, to extend the Commission on Civil Rights, to prevent discrimination in federally assisted programs, to establish a Commission on Equal Employment Opportunity, and for other purposes"

Please stop ignoring "public accommodations", "public facilities and public education". Concentrating on example in order to draw attention from the other (stronger) examples is one of the oldest ploys in the book and it won't fool me.

[TexasMexican]

43. I'm not trying to fool you.

I just dont see how the first part you bolded was relevent.

If someone gets a race based scholarship from a private group, how is that constitute discrimination in public facilities?

The facilities are still open to everyone who can afford it. This law doesnt have doesnt mention anything about financial discrimination.

[sangh0]

57. Yes, you are and your denial doesn't fool me

So again:

"Please stop ignoring "public accommodations", "public facilities and public education". Concentrating on example in order to draw attention from the other (stronger) examples is one of the oldest ploys in the book and it won't fool me."

[Cocoa]

27. not a problem

having the GOP associated with a white-only scholarship is ok with me. :-)

[ComerPerro]

40. No kidding

[distortionmarshall]

26. nah - there's excellent reasons to be republican...

4, in fact:

(1) affluent

(2) white

(3) male

(4) "religous"

(from these 4, racist, sexist, and homophobic more or less follow)

[pnb]

45. Distortion is an apt description here

Distortion to the point of bigotry even...