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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 09:38 AM
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Who is India Oxenberg?
This site lists her as one of John Kerry's children. Must be some sort of typo. I've never heard of her. ????
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Kerry
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 09:44 AM
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1. Actress Catherine Oxenberg's daughter......
all I remember is that she hasn't revealed the father? :shrug:
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 09:50 AM
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2. Found a pic
Edited on Mon Jun-07-04 09:51 AM by displacedtexan
(wikipedia is down for maintenance.)



Catherine & India Oxenberg from NBC's press tour party in Universal City on 7/19/00.

http://www.filmmagic.com/GalleryListing.asp?navtyp=CAL====13501&ym=200007
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 09:51 AM
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3. her father had never been named by Catherine Oxenberg eom
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 09:59 AM
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4. John Kerry use to date her mother
as someone said , the girl's father's name is unknown. and i guess because kerry use to date her mother someone is making an assumption.
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:00 AM
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5. If her father has never been named,
WTF is this site doing putting her under Kerry?

I smell smear.

I'm trying to contact them to tell them to change it, but there no email address anywhere.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:55 AM
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9. the rest of the site doesn't look like a smear attempt
i didn't read every single thing.but i kind of looked through the part on kerry and it seemed accurate and objective. other than the part about him being the father of india oxenberg everything else seemed ok. maybe some lone right winger who works there added it on or something. but they should take it down since there is no proof of what they claim.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:08 AM
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6. My e-mail to wikimedia
"Your entry includes the claim that India Oxenberg (daughter of actress Catherine Oxenberg) is one of John Kerry's children. Despite the fact the Kerry and Oxenberg dated briefly, neither Oxenberg nor Kerry nor any other official source has ever claimed that India Oxenberg is Kerry's daughter.

"Please remove this reference from your website. While Kerry as a political candidate cannot sue for libel, Ms. Oxenberg has every right as a private citizen to take legal action against your organization."
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Killarney Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:11 AM
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7. what email address did you send that to?
I want to send them one also.

Thanks. :)
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 11:27 AM
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10. You change wikipedia yourself
anyone can register with the site, and make changes to pages. It appears to be offline for maintenance now, but there are pages that explain the process (I've only done it once, with a non-controversial correction). Most changes are accepted without any review; I believe there is some kind of peer review process for pages that change frequently, to avoid endless wars between people having arguments. The site administrators can always revert quickly to earlier versions if they think someone's really mucking around.

From a google cache of Wikipedia's FAQ:
"There are also different editing styles in the sense of how bold people are willing to be. Generally, most of us think we should be bold in updating pages. Virtually no one behaves as though previous authors need to be consulted before making changes; if we thought that, we'd make rather little progress. Quite to the contrary, some of us think one should not beat around the bush at all--simply change a page immediately, when one sees something perceived to be a problem, rather than to discuss changes that need to be made. Discussion, on this view, is a last resort. Then there is a more intermediate view, according to which dialogue qua dialogue should be respected, but at the same time a minor tweak early on can avoid a flame war. On this view, to edit radically or not will often depend on the context--which seems reasonable enough. Again, there is a place for all of these attitudes on Wikipedia.

With large deletions or replacements, it might be better to suggest changes in a discussion, lest the original author get discouraged and quit posting. One person's improvement is another's desecration, and nobody likes to see their work just flushed without warning. Then again, oversensitivity can be detrimental to progress, and they could just restore it.

So, whatever you do, preserve information. If, in your considered judgment, a page simply needs to be rewritten or changed substantially, go ahead and do that. But preserve any old contents you think might have some discussion value on the talk page, along with a comment about why you made the change. Even if you delete something that's just plain wrong, odds are that it got there because someone believed it was true, so preserve a comment that it is in fact wrong to deter later editors.

In any event, whether you decide to edit very boldly or to make talk page inquiries first, please bear in mind that Wikipedia is not a discussion forum (among the other things it is not). Wikipedia is a very energetic place, and it's best for the project as a whole if we concentrate our energies on improving articles rather than defending our pet theories, ideologies, religions, etc. Some consideration of Etiquette wouldn't hurt."

What this means, of course, is that wikipedia should be taken not as gospel, but a hopefully-complete consensus of views. It gives me a bit of faith in human decency that it does seem to be fairly stable and informative.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:10 PM
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12. so some republican could have just put that in
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-04 06:24 AM
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13. The history allows you to see who wrote what
Edited on Tue Jun-08-04 07:05 AM by muriel_volestrangler
it was a registered user called Avala, who appears to be Yugoslavian (Oxenberg is descended from Yugoslavian royalty). I've just removed that one line about India.
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Jeff in Cincinnati Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 03:25 PM
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11. jwales@bomis.com
I found it on their website
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displacedtexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-04 10:19 AM
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8. The Kevin Bacon school of logic? India born in 1991.
Edited on Mon Jun-07-04 10:36 AM by displacedtexan
Got to deflect from the Flynt book coming out, in which he outs Bush*'s 15 yr old girlfriend's illegal abortion, dontcha know?

Kerry dated Catherine?
Catherine has a child and doesn't name the father.
Kerry runs for prez.
Larry Flynt writes tell all book about Bush and illegal abortion.
Rove minions jump to conclusions re Kerry and Oxenberg.

No surprise there, folks.

Catherine Oxenberg:
Graduated from St. Paul's School in Concord, New Hampshire. <1979>

She is the daughter of HRH Princess Elizabeth (Jelisaveta) of Yugoslavia and also a descendant of Russian and English royal families.

Has a daughter, India, born 1991.

Was named after her ancestress, Catherine the Great (Empress Catherine II, Tsarina of Russia).

Daughter, Maya van Dien, born in Los Angeles, California. <20 September 2001>

Named on Harper's Bazaar list of "America's 10 Most Beautiful Women" in 1985.

Is expecting another child with husband Casper Van Dien. <2003>

Speaks fluent French and Spanish

Measurements: 33 1/2B - 23 - 33 1/2 (Source: Celebrity Sleuth magazine)

Daughter, Celeste Alma, with husband Casper Van Dien, born 3 October 2003

Her 1998 marriage to Robert Evans lasted 10 days.
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