Repost - Anyone have any news on Reagan's autopsy?

[robertpaulsen]

Last time I was on DU, Tenet and Pavitt were resigning from the CIA and there was a large contingent of people here guessing that the Bush Misadministration would create a distraction, an early 'October Surprise' to take away the attention from a pending crisis.

Lo and behold, the Gipper is gone! Gone also is the media scrutiny of Rethuglican misdeeds, instead we get an entire week of praise for a man our liberal media tells us 'won the Cold War'. Commentators of a more conservative bent make pleas for 'unity', apparently forgetting the lessons they tried to teach Democrats when Paul Wellstone was killed.

So, any links to good threads about this peculiar coincidence? Anyone know when they will perform the autopsy or if they already have? They have to before they ship his body to D.C. I believe California law requires it if he didn't die in a hospital. Not that that stopped them where it concerned JFK. Now I hear that his body is taking a tour of America before it gets to D.C. Will there be an autopsy?

[LosinIt]

1. A tour of the US, is this Weekend at Bernie's??

Or is he going by rail, like in the olden days?

[robertpaulsen]

3. Sorry, I misread the article.

Tourists are coming by the busload to see his casket in Simi Valley. He gets flown to Washington on Wednesday.

Weekend at Reagan's would be quite a sight.

[hlthe2b]

2. They won't autopsy.... Almost NEVER done when death is expected....

due to a long lingering illness that has been well documented by the attending physician. Reagan's doc was there and would have certified cause of death.

On edit, what is it you think an autopsy would show? Pneumonia is among the most common causes of death (after influenza) in the elderly and particularly those bed-ridden with advanced alzheimers. I strongly suspect he had a DNR order (do not resuscitate) which precluded his being intubated and placed on a ventilator when his breathing became severely labored-- thus explaining why son Michael was not there yet, when he died.

I'm not immune to considering RW manipulation and treachery in many areas. But, here, I just don't see it.

[robertpaulsen]

6. I thought it was against the law

not to have an autopsy when the pronouncement of death occurs outside a medical facility. Perhaps the certification of the cause of death by Reagan's doc would be sufficient to satisfy the requirements of the law, but I'm not sure.

Honestly, the autopsy probably would not show anything. I'm sure if anyone wanted to fix it they could do so without it being traceable. It may very well have been pneumonia as has been reported in the media. But so many people here at DU predicted this that the timing does seem a bit suspicious.

[theboss]

8. Suspicious?

He was NINE-TEE-FUCK-ING-THREE.

If anything, it was suspicious that he was still alive.

[DoYouEverWonder]

13. I'm surprised Nancy

didn't just have him stuffed. It wouldn't have made much of a difference at this point.

[LiberalFighter]

25. Then she would had been able to keep talking to him.

[LTR]

26. Stuff him...

...and mount him on a horse.

[trof]

14. lmao

wmp
(wet my pants)
thanks for the laugh

[hlthe2b]

10. In reality, very very few autopsies are done in this country, given the

expense and lack of funding. While I am not in California, I am familiar with death certification in many states and know that autopsies are limited to those for which cause of death is unclear and unexpected, suspicious deaths including possible criminal intent and those which might reflect certain reportable communicable diseases. Even teaching hospitals too rarely autopsy, given the expense which is actually not a good trend...

At 93, his death would not have been unexpected, even without Alzheimers and reported pneumonia. And, if his death were to have been "truly useful" to the RW, it would have been postponed until just before the election. Remember too, that Ron Jr and Patti are NOT REPUBLICAN. Nor is Nancy a fan of the Bushistas*. This was their father and husband (respectively). Thinking that they would take part in any death-related conspiracy is beyond my comprehension.

[robertpaulsen]

18. You make very well reasoned points.

I don't expect an autopsy to be performed, given the reasons that you state. Also, I agree with you that this is not something any of the Reagans, Republican and Democrat, wanted. If a conspiracy occured, it would be 100% BFEE.

The only point I disagree on is that this would have been postponed until just before the election to be "truly useful" to the RW. I think they've got a much bigger October Surprise in store for us than the death of a 93 year old icon. I think the RW is getting enough media mileage now out of Reagan's death to relegate the story of the twin CIA resignations to page 34 status. It's useful enough.

[hlthe2b]

19. No doubt they'll exploit this and any other event to their advantage....

and, like you, I'm more concerned about what they have prepared for October....


It'll take a week or so to see if Bush* gets a bump from this, but I agree with many that the excessive coverage is likely to turn off many people, so they may just overplay their hand... No one is going to be paying attention to Bush* attempts at playing international leader in Europe and at the G8, so the whole thing may just be a "wash."

[robertpaulsen]

32. Reagan could end up being a Wellstone for the Republicans.

That would be the best case scenario. If Dumbya is foolish enough (and we know he is) to use the phrase "win one for the Gipper" at any time during his campaign, it should backfire big time, if there is any justice in the world.

[Pepperbelly]

16. my mother's death from cancer in '98 was unattended by physcians and

no autopsy was required.

:shrug:

[LiberalFighter]

27. But her drs had documented that cancer was a contributing cause

if not direct cause.

[LiberalFighter]

24. Each state is different on autopsy requirements.

Considering that he was under doctor's supervision the last 10+ years it would have to be something out of the ordinary to require an autopsy.

[LiberalFighter]

23. He didn't have a heart

An alien sent to destroy our world.

[spinbaby]

4. They did not choose the time of death

They would not have willingly had Reagan's death interrupt the patriotic D-Day frenzy.

[tom_paine]

20. Hmmm. Ever hear of the psychological/advertising term "association"?

You'd be surprised at how advertisers/martketers think. You are likely not exposed to it because they keep so quiet abotu their machinations of thought.

Why? It is a basic psychological tenet that people are easier to manipulate if they are unaware that they are being manipulated, best when they lack the knowledge and critical thinking skills to even examine the methoids and mechanisms of manipulation.

But read up on it, starting with Vance Packard's "The Hidden Persuaders". If you are serious, find a copy or two of Advertsising Age (if you can, as I said advertisers don't want you to know how they plan to dupe and manipulate you) and read them.

[robertpaulsen]

35. Why not have "two great tastes in one candy bar"?

Bush's Chickenhawk Cups.

[theboss]

5. Peculiar Coinicidence?

A 93-year-old, bed-ridden man dies and this is peculiar?

[izzie]

7. This is sort of normal and I would also say this.

As the years go by it seems that the people in power try to make things like this into sort of a royal thing. Maybe it is TV that brings it out. Maybe this country is looking for something in that line but it is almost like we are moving to wards a royal thing in death. Does anyone recall the stink Rickover made about the use of the service as escorts for things like this and Miss Americas.

[Ilsa]

9. I don't think autopsies are required when the patient has

a long terminal illness like this and is essentially in homecare versus hospice. Pneumonia is common among bedridden incapacitated patients, and I can't imagine to him agreeing to extreme life-saving measures to keep his body alive when his mind was kaput long ago.

[TO Kid]

11. It was the Rockefellers!

With the help of the Freemasons, they surreptitiously infected Reagan with Alzheimer's just after Clinton was elected. They had to shoot down JFK Jr's and Wellstones planes because they knew too much.

[trof]

15. Hey newbie.

Welcome aboard.
Sounds like you've already gotten the gist of this place.
Here's your AFDB::tinfoilhat:
:hi:

[theboss]

12. Out of curiosity, how do you think they whacked him?

I've seen the Reagan compound in Bel Air. Nancy hates the Bushes and loved her husband to a degree that started to get a little creepy. She is 83 and has more money than Davy Crockett. She lives in an armed compound and doesn't really give a shit about her asshole kids.

How did they get her on board?

[robertpaulsen]

21. Well...

Just to keep the tinfoil permanently wired to my head... :)

It might be interesting to know about Reagan's doctor. Who is he? Did he have assistants? Did Nancy have any assistants that came in and out of the compound delivering groceries or running errands? If the compound is that heavily guarded, is there a guestlist that would show who came in and out of the compound within the last week? Could it have been Colonel Mustard with the arsenic in the...

As I stated in another post, I don't think any of the Reagans were in on this plot. But I wouldn't rule out the Hinckleys.

On edit, all joking aside, my reason for posting is that I wouldn't put ANYTHING past the Bushes, including murdering a 93 year old Alzheimer's victim for the purpose of political propaganda.

[Yupster]

34. What plot?

He had pneumonia.

Bush was out of the country and he died in the summer when the fewest people pay attention to the news.

To me this looks like final evidence that there was no plot. They couldn't have picked a worse time for him to die from now until the election.

How about the first day of the Dem convention? All the news coverage would be the networks asking all the Democratic leaders gathered what they think the best thing Reagan did was.

[wellstone_democrat]

29. "more money than Davy Crockett"

that whole post is a gem but that phrase is Pulitzer quality my friend!

[Yupster]

33. Did Davey Crockett

have lots of money?

[radwriter0555]

17. the death of a 93 year old vegetable isn't high crime and treason, it's

OLD AGE.

[lucky777]

22. They found a 5 lb booger in his nose . . . oh, that's his brain

[Padraig18]

28. There wasn't one.

It's not mandatory in my state (IL) where the death was expected AND from a well-documented natural cause. Additionally, I suspect President Reagan was also attended by a physician at the time of his death, which would also preclude an autopsy, except by family request. I have no reason to believe that CA law is vastly different.

[sam sarrha]

30. I figured they gave him a lobotomy to shut him up about Iran Contra..

Casey, head of the CIA was quickly diagnosed with brain cancer and in 2 days they cut the area of his brain that contained his memory. another key player in the treason was found dead of unknown causes in a canoe.

he seemed to be normal till the testimony was due... probably a chemical lobotomy..

[Jose Diablo]

31. The autopsy

The medical examiner was amazed to find a silver spur lodged in Reagan's rectum. The FBI is questioning knowledgeable sources in Bel Air that claim the spur belongs to the estate of the late Lone Ranger. Fox news reports: the unnamed sources do not know how the spur found its way to where it was found.