I'd like to give to "Katrina Disaster Relief" but only Money to Democrats.

[KoKo]

I think after all this time I feel that our country is so polarized that the Freeps wouldn't give a "thin penny" for any disaster relief to Dems...so my morality has caved.

I only want to give my hard earned money to Democrats in the Gulf...because they will (in my mind) be the ones cut out of aid in Bush America.

Does anyone know of a "Democratic Relief Fund" that can get my few bucks into the hands of "real folks" who need it?

I hate to be so partisan...but it's what they do to us. :shrug:

(Don't tell me about Red Cross, because my family has a bad history with it).

[bicentennial_baby]

1. ....

"my morality has caved"

i think you may be correct in your assessment :(

[teach1st]

2. I'm sorry you feel this way

Please reconsider.

[Roland99]

3. ooof

:eyes:

[blue sky at night]

4. you have a very good point there.........

why should we "help" those who want to fuck up our country. I felt the same way after the election about giving my blood...I didn't want it going to ANY Repukes. We'll, I couldn't do much about that, so I am back to donating to the Red Cross. I wonder if the La. Dems have something going, I think it would be worth a look at their website to see whats up. They do say cash is what they need, so maybe you could find someone at the local level that needs help, like sending stuff to the Troopers in the war. BTW, I am struggling mightily to "forgive" these bastards that voted for Bu$H, and after seeing how they treat Cindy, I don't think that is gonna happen anytime soon.

[KoKo]

5. Thanks...you do know, though

that Red Cross threw out the blood of thousands of donors after 9/11 because there were no survivors. Why they couldn't have sent that blood to places that COULD HAVE used it...I don't know.

But, as I said, my family has bad history with Red Cross.

[donheld]

21. Do you have proof of this?

:shrug:

[Joe the Revelator]

31. Blood doesn't last forever...

It actually has a pretty short shelf life. After 9/11 blood banks were inudated with Blood. The blood that couldn't be used, and was past its "shelf" life, had to be disposed of.

[seabeyond]

10. you could look into a needy childs eyes, a hungry child and

turn your back on them? and say fuck you as you do it?

[blue sky at night]

17. funny how a hypothetical thought gets turned to action..

around here...no, NO I could not do that. What I can do is give to people who need help that happen to agree with my political point of view. The FReeps can also help all they want, and I hope they do... what is wrong with giving to who you want to help? If some of the people who flip me off on the highway everyday needed help, then ya, I very well could turn my back, but a child...give me a break, OK?

BTW, the assholes who support Bu$H are ruining MY CHILDREN'S future...does that bother you?????????????

[seabeyond]

27. you say no no you couldnt do that and then immediately next sentence

say

"What I can do is give to people who need help that happen to agree with my political point of view"

kinda like our church based charities that only give to christians.

[Kipepeo]

38. So what?

It's her money - and she's still giving it, just wanting to direct where she's giving it.

cripes, reading this thread makes out like she's taking food out of the hands of children. No - she's asking for tips on where to give her money in accordance with her beliefs. I see no problem with that.

[seabeyond]

41. and the next asks, are you gay?, are you christian? you are black

mexican, middle eastern.

you dont see a problem with that?

i do

[Kipepeo]

47. I see a problem with that because I have a problem with

homophobia and racism - so of course I see a problem with that. I would also see a problem with a person saying 'i don't want my money to go to (insert one: planned parenthood, aclu, ngltf, naacp, aaldef, glaad, etc)' and I would know immediately that the person is not someone I want to know. I don't see a problem with what this woman was asking, no.

All of this scolding her in the thread seems to me to get down on people for deciding where to give their charity money. At x-mas I give to Toys for Tots instead of Salvation Army. Does that make me a bad person? I don't eat Domino's pizza because of where they give their money. Does that make me a bad person? I will give to Planned Parenthood but I won't give to the Crisis Pregnancy Center down the street. etc. etc. I make choices on where to send my money, based on my beliefs every day and I assumed others did too.

[seabeyond]

51. it is another form of discrimination. do you give to the one that didnt

vote. do you have to bring some kind of proof you marked an x next to kerry. do tell. and you really dont see the hypocrisy in your statement. ok.

enough said

[Kipepeo]

55. Oh geezus - is that supposed to make sense?

give me a break - did you check out that list of Katrina charities? I guess not giving to the Southern Baptist Disaster Relief Fund is another form of discrimination. Yep. Instead of donating to the red cross (I read the stuff in this thread - but it's still where my money's going) I should pare out an equal dollar for all of those groups - including the ones I don't trust and who push bigoted repuke politics in the guise of their religion - otherwise I'm a big ole hypocrite.

:eyes:

[seabeyond]

60. i asked for clarification. but the op sounds to me like saying, doesnt

want her money to go to a needy repug. let the repugs take care of their own needy. that is different than saying dont want to contribute to a repug org.

below i specifically asked if i miss read the op. i am at least trying to understand what koko is suggesting. if she is suggesting no money go to someone who votes repug, .... that is offensive.

if she is saying she wants a dem org that will pass out money, i totally underrstand. but that isnt clear in her op. and most people arent reading it that way either

[Kipepeo]

62. well that was the way I read it

not to a repug org or repug leaning org. It seemed like a reasonable question to me and I appreciated the link w/ various charities.

edited to add: my apologies for being so sarcastic, previously.

[seabeyond]

76. confusing thread

apologies back at you. but she did clarify, and i was initially correct, so.....

she can donate to dems, others will donate to everyone, hopefully people will be helped in this time and start the process of healing

[fujiyama]

59. I suppose she does not want to donate money to those

that believe we are traitors, or worse just because of our opposition to this war. While I feel bad for the poor black folk down in New Orleans (most of them did vote democratic), it's difficult to feel the same compassion for the wealthy, SUV driving Bush bots that are supporting even worse destruction to Iraqi homes and families.

[seabeyond]

61. again i say, if it is a hungry or thirsty child, i really dont give a shit

if that child thinks i am a traitor, unchristian or unamerican, i am still going to hand that child or person a bottle of water and food.

[fujiyama]

69. True

Obviously children don't have politics and even if they did it's irrelevant. They still deserve aid if they are poor regardless of the politics of their parents.

The only thing I hope is that this isn't like the WTC aid distribution where millionaire families demanded and got more money just because they can.

My hope is the aid goes to those that actually need it.

[seabeyond]

75. My hope is the aid goes to those that actually need it.

we always hope

[KoKo]

87. What about Adopting a Dem Family from the Super Dome?

:shrug:

[fujiyama]

89. That would be nice

I have no idea of any such charities. Obviously those in the Super Dome are probably most in need of aid, so hopefully there is a charity that will distribute aid among those families.

[blue sky at night]

45. Funny, you bash me for wanting to support fellow dems....

then say some rotten shit about Christians, WTF, are you the only one allowed to pass judgment? Do you have some problem with people of Faith?? Hey I am talking to you, up there on your high horse.....what about my last sentence: does that bother you?? does it bother you that the folks I dislike are fucking up MY CHILDREN'S world?

"kinda like our church based charities that only give to christians."

since when?? you are espousing some rotten shit, my friend.

[seabeyond]

54. if you will look at what has happened with our moneys being

given to christian orginization, our tax dollars, you will learn that these orginizations help people that profess their love to christ or whatever before getting charity. it is a problem we have been having since bush had a bill passed allowing tax dollars to be given to christian (baptist) org to give to the poor.

that is what i meant with that comment.

another form of discriminating before helping another

all your other babble, i do not understand

ya you, i am talking to you

i oppose any discrimination

if you chose to say that is me being judgement ..... go for it.

[KoKo]

88. Seabeyond...being "discriminating" in ones charity giving doesn't mean

one necessarily "discriminates" against people arbitrarily or that one is a racist. :shrug:

Discriminating in who is BEHIND a charity is important...I know my original post came off as inflammatory...but it did make a point. I don't want to give to some big charity that's going to put it in a pot that might go where I don't want it to go for Katrina. In my other giving I'm not so discriminating, but Bush is going to throw alot of Money into Gulf Coast. It might not go to help those who REALLY need it.

Our Progressive Dems here have been trying to find ways to do community outreach...I wonder if there isn't some way that DU could adopt a family. :shrug: SoCal Dem on this thread suggested that..I thought it was a great idea.

[SoCalDem]

56. I looked up the democratic chairperson (online) in one of the towns

and I called her long distance and asked her if she knew of any democrats who had been hit hard..(This was after Charley)She lived in Charlotte county (I think that was the county name).. She was stunned that someone from California called her out of the blue.. She said she would inquire, but her house was damaged and she might be moving herself..

She did not call me back, so I can only assume she decided against organizing it, or maybe she moved out of the area..

A liaison person "on the ground" would know who needs help and in what areas.. The problem is that the need is SO huge, and so widespread..

Sending "things" is an issue too.. If they have no place to live, where do they PUT stuff?

What they need is MONEY.. That brings a whole different set of issues.

How do you get the money to people you don't know, and who may no longer even have an address??

Perhaps an "adopt a family" drive??

[KoKo]

71. Thanks SoCal...you know you have a great idea. Adopt a family

...a Democratic Family (in my case)

Tomorrow I'll do some Googling to see if the LA Dem Party has some names we could contact. It's so devastated down there...it might take awhile to even connect with someone. But, I have a feeling people down there and even up the middle of the East Coast are going to have a hard time coping with the aftermath of Katrina. And, folks who might be on the edge will be pushed over.

Adopting a Dem family in some way might be a good thing as a DU effort..

[KoKo]

18. I don't know any children who are declared Dems or Repugs, do you?

But, I do know that Dem Children in America are suffering more than Repug Children. And, any Repug Children who suffer should call up their
State House Senator or House Member. Or, maybe even their Repug Friends. They have lots of connections that democrats don't have, these days.

[seabeyond]

26. i disagree. i totally disagree the dem child suffers more

the dem child is raised in a house of higher conscious, of love not limited. not taught to hate. tohave a burden of hate as a child is very heavy and i wish it on no child. i absolutely dont see my enlightened children as having it worse off than ANY republican. i have way more empathy for the repug child that is conditioned to hate. they are being taught self hate to be able to hate others as they do. no no i so disagree with koko, and i often agree. not on this one.

[fujiyama]

74. I am a little confused

as to what you mean by Dem children and Repug children. I know you mean the children of Dems vs. the children of repugs.

But at the same time, I think you mean poor children vs. wealthy children. In that case I would understand and I too hope the aid goes where its needed. Your concern should be whether the aid gets to those that most need it - meaning poor children. You can't check the voter registration of an aid benificiary, but you can bet if the aid is distrubuted correctly those that recieve the aid will likely vote democratic.

[SheWhoMustBeObeyed]

6. Maybe you should adopt a needy family

after checking their voter's registration...

The quality of mercy is not strained, it droppeth as the gentle rain from heaven upon the place beneath; it is twice blessed, it blesseth him that gives, and him that takes ...

[BeTheChange]

7. Wow... you leave me speechless.

I cry for you.

Along with all the people regardless of color, party affiliation, religion or socioeconomic status who have lost more then I can ever comprehend in this tragedy.

[kerrygoddess]

8. Hmmm...

Good question...

I have a list of agencies on The Democratic Daily - http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=380

My suggestion would be a local agency - maybe the United Way of New Orleans.

[KoKo]

11. I'll check out your list.....Everything EXCEPT "United Way."

I'm surprised you would list them given their history. Just Google United Way for the list of scandals. I don't have time.

[kerrygoddess]

16. I listed what I could find listed...

It's kind of disparaging because I expected more agencies stepping up to help. So far I haven't found any that aren't in some sort of scandal list or aren't some sort of Christian agency.

It's a tough call. I just felt I wanted to be helpful and post a list, I did the same thing for the Tsunami.

[KoKo]

22. Thanks for your reply...

I know it's hard...that's why I posted...I want my relief money to go for a cause that won't give it to some damned Repug Scandal Charity.

[kerrygoddess]

24. Thread here

I started a thread on this early today here in GD. If anyone can add to the list it's here - http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4495771#4502503

I need to look for the link but the LA SPCA needs donations...

[kerrygoddess]

29. North Shore Animal League America

North Shore Animal League America is the world's largest no-kill animal rescue and adoption center. Across the country, we rescue, nurture and restore pets to happy and healthy lives in loving homes. To date, we have rescued over 880,000 dogs, cats, kittens and puppies.

http://www.nsalamerica.org/

Hurricane Katrina has forced many people to take cover at public evacuation centers. Unfortunately, most public evacuation centers do not allow individuals to take their pets. Many animal shelters have opened their doors to provide temporary shelter for pets that are not permitted with their families in the evacuation facilities. Previous to this hurricane, most animal shelters in this area were already at full capacity, and they need urgent help.

The North Shore Animal League America ERT (Emergency Response Team) knew immediately our help would be needed. Our goal will be to help alleviate the shelter overcrowding by transporting homeless animals to the League.

https://secure.ga3.org/01/support_rescue

[KoKo]

42. Thanks...those look like good links to check out. n/t

[KoKo]

Have you checked out

some of the Christian Charities on your list? Do you know if they are Fundie Scams? The relief money could be going to places you wouldn't think about.

There are several on your list that would seem worthwhile...but how would one know where the money is targeted?

"Louisiana SPCA" might be reliable..and an excellent cause for the homeless pets who had to be left behind in evacuation. Those who didn't die in the hurricane, that is. I donated to a Florida Organization that a DU'er posted about during last years Florida Disaster and got a Thank You note. I have to hope the money went where it was supposed to.

[Booster]

79. Reminds me that I sent a donation to the Las Vegas animal

shelter when the soldier in Iraq needed food for the dogs in the service. I was astounded when they sent my money back explaining that a dog food company had offered to give it to them free. Can you imagine a charity org that would return the money. I was very impressed. I see no problem in wanting your donation to go where you want it to go; as a matter of fact, I think it's a good idea.

[SoCalDem]

57. United Way are chislers..

They are right there to guilt you into giving, but they are ever-so stingy with the actual help...unless it's for a gala shindig where they give pennies and collect BIG bucks.:(

[QC]

9. See my sig line

for a good description of what seems to have happened to some of us here.

[KoKo]

13. Nope...don't need lectures on this...but appreciate your thoughts..

truly, I do..not being sarcastic, here.

[donheld]

23. I think you do need a lecture

but what good would it do?

"You only see what your eyes want to see
How can life be what you want it to be
You’re frozen
When your heart’s not open"

[Maru Kitteh]

32. Those were my thoughts exactly - lecture DEFINITELY needed

Just goes to prove the other side doesn't hold a monopoly on cold black hearts I guess.

[Chovexani]

12. That is pretty damn coldblooded

Hope you don't go through a tragedy and a Freeper feels this way about you.

As cynical and hateful of Repukes as I am, some things just transcend politics...you know, like caring for fellow members of our human family in a time of desperate need, regardless of how dysfunctional the family happens to be at the moment.

I'm gobsmacked. We ought to be better than this.

[Catherine Vincent]

14. Here's a suggestion:

Did you see the thread regarding Merh? She lost everything. You can give to her what you would have given to the RC. That way you cut out the middle man and you know the individuals that you are contributing to.

When Houston had a bad TS named Alison a few years ago, a lot of people lost their home, valvuables and everything. One of them was my sister. A friend of mine at work collected money from my co-workers (I didn't know about it), to give to my sister. That really made my sister, along with her two kids, feel very fortunate.

My two cents.:-)

[KoKo]

15. I already replied on merh's thread...check it out....

I was looking for organizations in this post.

[evirus]

19. just maybe

prehaps bush's evilness radiats from any device broadcasting his presence and its slowly enslaving us...

in any case... how much can you give to a person who keeps going back to a place frequented by hurricans before you loose faith in the moneys importants

[KoKo]

25. I know...you make an interesting point...

"before you lose faith in the moneys importance." So true...

[pepperbear]

20. I would offer....

that turning a disaster relief effort into anything "politics" isn't really the most constructive thing if you consider the fact that the real politicos are going to do that anyway.

This isn't about the war, the economy, or civil rights, or any of the stuff we concern ourselves with each day. It is moments like this when we NEED to take the partisan blinders off and realize how absolutely poweless we are over nature.

Please re-consider.

[Maru Kitteh]

28. That's just about the ugliest god-damned thing I've seen anyone say on here

Karma is likely to bite you in the ass big time for this you know? You really should take a good long look at yourself imo and decide if that's the kind of ugly mentality you really want to wear on your soul. I guess this just goes to prove that the other side doesn't have a monopoly on cold black hearts or narrow mindedness.

[KoKo]

44. My post is about "voluntarily giving" to a Katrina Disaster Relief Fund ..

NOT about what I do in my private personal life in donating to other causes that I feel are worthwhile.

My post was specific to Katrina. I want to know charities that are Democratic/democratic in orientation so that I know that the money goes to needy people and not into some evangelizing community or international pot of money.

[seabeyond]

49. so let me clarify....cause i re read your op and still leaves

impression of not wanting your money to go to any needy repugs. but that isnt what you are syaing, is this correct. you just dont trust most org, so you want to find a dem org, that you feel is more likely to get the money to the needy people? all the needy people? whoever are needy?

[KoKo]

58. I'm saying I don't want any money I give to Katrina relief to go to Repugs

You've got it! No fundie church rebuilding, no Casino Restoration in Biloxi, no Repug Politicians favorite charity. I want a Democratic Organization.

[seabeyond]

65. sounded better until i read post below. you still say you dont want

to donate to poor repugs. nothing to do with church, casino or repug org, just dont want repug to get your hard earn dollar. well, i got that from your original post

go figure.

anyway koko, will conclude, find a way, and that will help those people, i will send money and hope it gets to those that dont have a democratic beneficiary

edited the whole thing after reading a post of yours below

[auntAgonist]

67. then maybe you need to get your butt down there and

start identifying who's who and handing out your hard earned dollars there.

:sarcasm: in case you hadn't noticed.

I hope you get over this feeling.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

30. I'm sorry, but your post is beyond comprehension.

[Joe the Revelator]

33. The entire premise of this thread is disgusting...

People are people and politics are politics. Sometimes its a good idea to step away from the latter and help the former.

[QC]

35. Absolute moral squalor isn't very pretty, is it? n/t

[Joe the Revelator]

39. Your sig line sums it up. nt

[Prism]

46. Wow

I keep hoping I've been misreading this thread, but no . . .

No matter if they're Republican or Democrat, sometimes people can possess some pretty heinous attitudes.

I need to go figure out what happened to my jaw. Might be under the desk somewhere.

[Lori Price CLG]

34. Red Cross in US was too cheap to test for AIDS in the blood supply...

lots of people died (in the '80's), so the Reichwing whackjobs running the Red Cross could continue to make a *killing.*

Note: I am not talking about the Red Cross in other countries, just the one operating in the U.S.

Lori Price

[Lori Price CLG]

36. Great post, btw. I agree w. your sentiments. n/t

[Swede]

37. Maybe they can stamp a "D" and a "R" on the refugees.

Sorry kid,no water for you.

[instantkarma]

40. Your morality hasn't caved

IMO your post reeks of the filthy stench of moralism.

[Lori Price CLG]

43. Bush gave billions in pre-'election' 2004 to swing areas in FL, even...

though such areas weren't even hit by the hurricanes. George and Jeb were purchasing votes with US tax dollars. Other people in Florida truly needed the money, and did not receive the assistance.

Lori Price

[KoKo]

48. Even Mobile, Alabama got money that it didn't need then. I hope they

use what they got then, now, since they were hit badly with Katrina.

Thanks, Lori. Some of us who have been here on DU through other hurricanes might have a little background that makes us wary this time.

[Lori Price CLG]

70. I (and am sure you, as well) would not refuse to help a child in need...

even whose parents are diehard Bush supporters. I would help *any* child in need - if I could - and I am sure you would, as well.

I think you meant, *overall,* you want to see your donation dollars go to those who are aware that Bush is on his way toward destroying the US... You want your money to go to those who stand with us and who need the money.

I think that is what you meant...
Lori

[KoKo]

78. Absolutely....

You got it....

[Lori Price CLG]

73. The 2004 hurricanes (for Bush) were pretty much used to buy votes. n/t

[T Town Jake]

50. My wife and I are going to renew a round of contributions...

to our favorite charities this very week in the wake of this disaster.

If it puts one hot meal in a hungry refugee's belly, or puts a blanket on some shivering child whose family has lost their home, or a cot someone can sleep on, our donation will have done it's job. And I wouldn't give a DAMN if that hungry refugee was a Republican, or that child's parents are freepers, or that tired soul has "W" stickers plastered all over their pickup truck. I want hurting people cared for in the wake of this tragedy, regardless of their politics.

[Name removed]

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[KoKo]

64. That may well be true...but Democrats in La/Miss could use my dollars.

I don't see anything wrong with trying to find a Democratic Organization which can use my money to help other Democrats.

[Ladyhawk]

53. I know you're very upset about where our country is headed, but I urge

you to reconsider. I went through a period of great anger. It may repeat. I don't know. But I hope I would still help others in mortal danger, regardless of their political persuasion. When I give my donation, it will go to where it is needed to help anyone who needs it.

Come on Koko, you're better than this.

[auntAgonist]

63. people in need are

"real folks"

I hope and pray you have a change of heart. There are many people here on DU that have relatives and friends in NOLA and whether or not they are Dems or Repubs matters none. They are PEOPLE in distress.

I hope you're never asked your political affiliation if ever (hope it never happens to you) you are in need and they turn you away because of it.

aA

[bpilgrim]

66. that is YOUR choice, no ONE else's or they have WON.

I hate to be so partisan...but it's what they do to us. :shrug:

and any org helping in disaster relief is NON-PARTISAN anyways, not to mention how this would most likely HURT more than it would help if there even were such a org.

the reTHUGs would have a FIELD DAY with such a thing if it were to exist and they'd have a point.

we are all humans FIRST, americans 2nd...


peace

[KoKo]

80. You know me better than that.....through all this time, here.n/t

[bpilgrim]

85. so you were venting again

i hear ya, it is impossible to even imagine the future with these thugs in power :argh:


http://media.globalfreepress.com

:loveya: koko01

peace

[Eloriel]

68. That's not partisan, it's heartless, and selfish

I'm shocked. If we weren't done before, we certainly are now.

[KoKo]

84. What would you think about "Adopt a Dem Family" who has been

devasted by Katrina. Like one of the Super Bowl families who may have nothing to go back to. I'm going to try to go on the LA/Miss Dem Party Website tomorrow to see if I can find a contact. Given the disaster in that area it might take awhile to find a connection. Sometimes the Online Editions of Newspaper are good for finding good local organizations, too.

[Stephanie]

72. This post is an embarrassment to DU

[KoKo]

82. Oh, come on, Stephanie....My post is about Katrina Disaster Relief and

making sure money goes to Democrats and not into Fundie Church building, United Way Scams or Red Cross (which has had numerous scandals). SoCal has a great idea about trying to find folks who were in the Super Dome...maybe we here on DU could "adopt a family."

My post was meant to be a little sarcastic...but I want any money I give to really get to the people who need it...and I was pointing out that Repugs will have more help than Democrats in Bush America. My post got blown all out of proportion, with personal attacks.

Anyway...what do you think of "Adopt a Family" (Dem) in LA or Miss?

I told SoCal I'd try to Google tomorrow on the LA Dem Party Website to see what I could find.

[lostnfound]

77. An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. nt

[SofaKingLiberal]

81. Hmmm

Does anyone have the link for the Democracy and Despotism video?

[fujiyama]

83. I somehow doubt

there are any agencies giving aid exclusively to Democrats.

And if there are any agencies asking, "who did you vote for?" before handing aid out, I'd have to say that's pretty damn bizarre and cold. It's as bad as aid groups in India and Sri Lanka telling people they'll give them money, only if they'll convert to Christianity.

Now on the other hand, if you want to make sure the money doesn't find its hands into some fundie preachers or some wealthy families that lost their million dollar home, I don't blame you one bit.

[RandomKoolzip]

86. This thread sucks.

I don't give a shit who they vote for, if someone is in need, you help them out.

Fuck this "I only wanna help dems" bullshit. REALLY fuckin' Ghandi-esque of you. :eyes:

[Technowitch]

90. Locking

This attitude is a terrible display of insensitivity towards disaster victims.

Humanitarian aid ought not be conditional on party affiliation. We should be better than this.

Technowitch
DU Moderator