Was Relief Withheld ON PURPOSE TO COINCIDE W/ BUSH'S VISIT????

[Beetwasher]

So it would seem HE arrived w/ the cavalry????????

Odd, the relief is arriving exactly NOW as if coordinated around HIS visit to the area and if HE brought it in.

Remember, everything and I mean EVERYTHING is politics and PR to these scumbags.

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. The he oughta have turned up DAYS ago!

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Save New Orleans, then save this country!
http://timeforachange.bluelemur.com/electionreform.htm

[cthrumatrix]

46. IF so....ROVE just made a "huge mistake"......HUGE

[Redstone]

93. It's Rove's work. No question. Thousands of trucks there today,

means that at least half of them were there yesterday.

Outside the city. Waiting for their cue, and waiting for the FOX camera truck to confirm that they were ready to broadcast the parade.

Redstone

[w13rd0]

2. yes

n/t

[OhioChick]

3. No doubt here........

Too coincidental.

[Alamom]

99. Absolutely

All of those trucks, other vehicles & manpower was stashed somewhere close enough to get there "Right on CUE !"

[quispquake]

4. That's what I think...

And if so, IMPEACH THIS BASTARD!!!

[faithfulcitizen]

5. well, he sure wouldn't have the nerve to come in otherwise!

[OrangeCountyDemocrat]

6. I Thought I Was Only One To Think This Same Thing n/t

[politicaholic]

7. I just knew he would pull this...

piece...of...shit.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

8. I think it's the reverse. Bush timed his landing to coincide with supplies

finally getting there. He waited as he didn't want to get cold cocked by the press again. He's not used to that, you know.

[Beetwasher]

9. I Don't Know

He had said a couple of days ago that he was planning to come today.

[Spike from MN]

47. Well, since the NG was not letting supplies in or people out

(except for the buses being evacuated), it looks to me like they held back supplies until * showed up in order to make him look good.

I have recently managed to speak to some friends stranded in New Orleans. They are starving and dehydrating and there is no news of when they will be receiving food and water. I have spoken to relief efforts and understand that there are plenty of supplies waiting for these people, BUT THEY ARE NOT BEING ALLOWED INTO THE CITY.

The National Guard has the city surrounded and is not letting anyone in or out, except the buses being evacuated. The excuse that they can not bring supplies into New Orleans because of the looting and gun fire is not a valid excuse - if they are too afraid to enter the streets of New Orleans, they need to be air dropping supplies into the city. If the United States is capable of sending planes that can withstand enemy fire to drop bombs in Iraq, certainly they are capable of air dropping supplies into a city where the worst of the gunfire they could encouter would be from semi-automatics.

http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/3941.php

Of course, don't expect this to hit the media but on the chance it does, the WH will deny it and the Rove machine will put the blame on the the "librul" media for trying to make * look bad.

[SaveAmerica]

96. And why is it all of a sudden there are NO shooting looters so

they can miraculously deliver everything?

[TahitiNut]

58. It was BOTH. Clearly stage-managed.

There's NO WAY they could manipulate the timing one without manipulating the timing of the other. If they only delayed the convoy by 6 hours, that's 6 hours too long. I'm willing to bet the convoy was delayed by at LEAST a day.

What's absolutely clear is that they deliberately delayed instead of pushed it as early as possible.

Midday. On-camera. Before the 5pm Friday news dump for stuff they try to hide. Absolutely timed.

[BootinUp]

87. I agree.

I think there were National Guard in the area but they didn't want to move them in until they had an overwhelming force, and it took time (days)to activate some of the Guard and get them there.

[myrna minx]

10. I'm surprised that he didn't have a plastic turkey

at this mornings photo-op.

[Generic Other]

11. Sounds plausible

He'll do anything to be the center of attention.

Bet afterwards, he goes back to Crawford to finish out the weekend.

[xxqqqzme]

19. Camp David for the long holiday weekend

He's been workin' hard the last 2 days - the cabinet was assembled -
(where was kinda-sleazy in those new $3,000 shoes?)had to wake up Homeland security, get FEMA to brush the cobwebs 'n dust off those emergency plans; then some one had 2 read all the stuff; write up a half page briefing; his 'response' had 2 B carefully planned, camera angles checked - you know hard work!

[progressivebydesign]

29. That's why these things are always done on a Friday...

so he can take the weekend off to "recover".

[sybylla]

12. I've always liked how you think, Beetwasher

Sure seems suspicious that they now finally manage to get their shit together at exactly the moment the chimp thinks he need to be there for a photo op.

[Swamp Rat]

13. Genocide

[Imagevision]

56. kick

[gypsy11]

89. That's what I've been thinking. n/t

[tyedyeto]

14. My take: not coincidental at all n/t

[havocmom]

15. beetwasher: Can you say Plastic Turkey?

;)

[Mr Rabble]

16. Of course. No question. I hate these people.

[Im with Rosey]

17. Exactly what I thought

It is sickening to me, I hope people will see this for what it is.

[Imagevision]

18. It seems like there is a purposeful reason Bush is denying relief!

there is NO excuse for this leadership failure! Bush undoubtedly in months to come will offer up Brown as the root of the problem!

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[tallahasseedem]

20. What the hell do you think?

Of course it was. Now he can roll in and have people kiss his feet for a bottle of water. The guy is an egotistical asshole.

[greekspeak]

102. With his smarter but still fascist brother Jeb across town from us,...

I don't want to think about it. I do not want to think that a sitting president elected or otherwise would ever murder for a photo-op. Saddam Hussein would not have done this. Sick. Sick.

[fooj]

21. A shameless photo-op!

I have no words...

[LaPera]

22. Excellent point! Absolutely! And everything is political with Rove

and these assholes all for image & photo-ops, fuck the people suffering, they are just the poor, peasants, workers and expendable!

This time their cold-hearted greedy bullshit is backfiring on these republican fascist!!!

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/09/02/MNGSJEHC2S1.DTL

[Beetwasher]

23. Is ANYONE Going To Tell Me I'm Crazy For Thinking This????

I don't want to believe this, it's too fucking unbelievable, but it really looks this way to me. It seems fucking choreographed. Chimpy shows up and all of a sudden the sky is filled w/ helicopters, the guard ins rolling in and so are supplies and water and food.

I can't believe this. I'm glad for the relief, finally, but holy shit. Someone tell me I'm fucking crazy and no one can be this evil.

[Coexist]

25. I remember ice being withheld from people in the Florida heat

for SEVERAL HOURS until Bush could get there for a photo-op of him passing it out.

In the heat. In the Florida summer. People who were homeless or had homes, but no power or water after the hurricane.

Who would put this past him.

[libra]

55. You're right . . ., and

also, remember during "Mission Accomplished," the soldiers were left waiting on ships until he arrived . . .

[Cato1]

30. As I've said on a...

...number of threads the NG was called to assist only on wednesday. It takes time to organize these things.

[Beetwasher]

35. WTF Are You Talking About???

The timing is questionable. Why Wed. then? They should have been mobilized much, much earlier. I call bullshit.

[Spazito]

48. Bullshit! That is the lie being spread by the bushbots in CHARGE

of this catastrophe. The Mayor, the Governor and Senator requested the NG immediately, they were supplied with TWO HUNDRED only.

[w13rd0]

83. Bullshit

Takes time to organize a photo op.

[Lerkfish]

94. BULLSHIT

[Ready4Change]

40. Not me.

I had the same thought as I started seeing shots of the incoming convoys just now.

Lot of buses lined up around the convention center. They didn't just magically appear, either.

[oasis]

24. Yes, he wants to arrive like Gen. MacArthur returning to the Phillipines.

[Beetwasher]

26. !

!

[Spazito]

27. A week ago, I would never have thought that even bush would go

that far but, today, seeing the 'coincidence' of supplies and help arriving at the SAME time as bush has flown to the area, I can believe it. NOTHING, absolutely NOTHING, is too low for the bush cabal.

None the less, I am very happy there is FINALLY help arriving and if bush thinks this 'coincidental' occurance is going to help him, he and his gang are still in the 'other' reality.

[progressivebydesign]

28. I absolutely believe it. It sickens me. n/t

[Corgigal]

31. Not only YES

but only Hell YES.

[DeepModem Mom]

32. Kick and nominate this unbelievable outrage. Impeach. nt

[xultar]

33. I wouldn't fucking doubt it. It is on BACKFIRE mode right now.

[Minstrel Boy]

34. We need to believe our eyes about this.

So hell yes it was.

He says relief hasn't been enough. He flies in and - whaddya know - the convoy finally fucking arrives.

[Imagevision]

36. without a doubt!!

http://downingstreetmemo.com/

[Selatius]

37. Unless there's evidence to show this, we shouldn't jump the gun

Regardless, it doesn't change the fact that the response was poor to non-existent for days. It's disgraceful. We can finger-point after people stop dying, but until then, I give the folks of NO my best regards.

[Junkdrawer]

38. Tues was Incompetence, Weds was Negligent Homicide, Today is Murder

Can Mayor Nagin arrest him? :shrug:

[wwcsmd]

65. Murder-for-profit

The FEMA guy is a fall-guy. Bushie may even be a fall-guy. The "incompetence" is just too obvious, the situation too manipulated.

..."someone up there" will profit/benefit.

Just some ideas for example, he's going on about the funds that will be spent on rebuilding. Does Halliburton build cities?

FEMA was supposedly spending $$$ a day on rescue, when obviously they were not.

[wwcsmd]

67. Oh. My. God. - "Halliburton hired for storm cleanup"

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/business/3335685

The Navy has hired Houston-based Halliburton Co. to restore electric power, repair roofs and remove debris at three naval facilities in Mississippi damaged by Hurricane Katrina.

[me b zola]

39. YES IT WAS!!!

CNN just showed a spit screen of bush's* motorcade and the NG bringing food & water.



FUGWB!!!!!!!!!:grr:

[MADem]

43. Stupid fucker!!

He cannot even manage a photo op--the food should have BEEN there, the pics that would resonate would be those of people getting and eating the food...but I will bet he was afraid of riots at the distribution points.

Cheney has gotta be sick--the mismanagement is way too extreme for any other explanation.

For those who do not get my nuance, the food should have been there the minute the wind died down, but that did not happen. Better still, the buses should have been there to take the poor and elderly away before the hurricane hit, but that did not happen either.

[sarcasmo]

41. I vote YES.

[nini]

42. how bad have things gotten that this even crosses our minds

and to answer your question.. it wouldn't surprise me.

[Cleita]

44. Of course it was. It was so obvious.

He was too afraid to come before the supplies and NG arrived.

[MN ChimpH8R]

45. Unquestionably

Nothing is real in ChimpWorld - it's all for show and spin. This is the most cynical thing I have ever seen.

[ima_sinnic]

49. let's send a link to this thread to the media

ask the journalists to consider it. counter their depraved atrocity of PR with some PR of our own. everybody should be asking this question.

[gollygee]

50. Way too unlikely to be a coincidence

what's the liklihood of those two events coming together at the exact same time without interference?

[Coexist]

51. Actually - I am now thinking that the coward-in-chief was refusing

to go there until he felt "safe". He is such a pussy.

[cthrumatrix]

61. the answer is "it's all about him".... not about the citizens

[Coexist]

91. you know it.

[Imagevision]

52. Bush shows up then troops arrive 2 hours later??

and once again it's the economy that gets hit because Bush takes away the 72 million for levee work.

[PATRICK]

53. Or the other way around

Namely that WHEN a good photo op was available, THEN * would turn up to lead the charge from the rear. That too is disastrously stupid and maybe explains why lameduck dawdled serenely until called to center stage.

Waiting like an idiot while the first stage rocket fizzled and exploded and was rebuilt is also bad. Yes I would love to get the most heinous crime out there and proved. Speculation sometimes misses the equally sordid and more evidenced lesser explanation.

Again, I must wonder at what Bush is talking about with his feckless crew in the WH and whether some of our rants here and the undercurrent below the feckless press is provoking. The remark about Trent Lott's house to my mind raises the ongoing suspicion that they are rankled(amused?) by the remarks among us over the destruction of the non-Biblical Lott's house.
Why drop these hints that that they may be listening to our outrage and get these digs in? Maybe they are NOT digs, too subtle an idea ever to occur to the media, but they keep popping up as casual eruptions of insight into what these arrogant doughbrains may be discussing behind closed bunkers.

This has happened several times in Bush statements that seem rudely inappropriate and bizarre. the theory they are symbol finger flips against his harshest critics(us, to name a few) is not any less wild than the one posted here.

And it fits their rotten mold.

"Now watch this drive."

[tnlefty]

54. There were no airlifts dropping supplies yesterday or the day

before now were there? Buses parked but not picking people up to get them out of the convention center, but they are lined up neatly today? Gov. Blanco and Mayor Nagin have been screaming and begging for help from the Guard and now they are rolling in?

Nah, just a HUGE coincidence.

[eauclaireliberal]

57. Remember the "Mission Accomplished" aircraft carrier bullshit?

'nuff said.

[durablend]

59. Rove's hoping for a 40 point bounce from it

AT LEAST...

[cat_hair]

60. Yes

They're trying to bring his poll numbers back up. Like after 9/11. I'm starting to think maybe a LIHOP on this one.

[leftchick]

62. check out the CNN Breaking News Photo

I Have No Doubt

[ikojo]

92. The CNN headline read

Convoy of Hope....the propaganda effort has begun in earnest...no more stories of looting and gunfire and such.

Now all is "morning in America" and the sheep will swallow it whole.

[randr]

63. It had to have taken an enormous amount of effort to effect

this propoganda. This is what has taken so long. They needed to organize themselves for a screen shot.

[Zeebo]

64. Now I know why Sen. Landreau was thanking Bush on Anderson Cooper

yesterday. Can we throw someone out of the party? She is a disgrace to all Democrats. Thanking Bush?!?!?!?!?!? What the fuck has he done???!?!?!?!? I thought that was just unreal yesterday. And kudos to Anderson Cooper for calling her on it. Saying we don't need to hear politicians patting each other on the back while dead bodies are being eaten by rats.

[MO_Dem]

66. I think it was planned.....

I can hear Rove planning it to sound like "along came Jones, slow-talkin' Jones"--what was that? A Ray Stevens song?

[lulu]

68. There is no doubt. Every move is political

for this dispicable administration.

[Beetwasher]

69. READ THIS THREAD AND TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK (SUPPORTING EVIDENCE)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4578745

[Beetwasher]

70. !

!

[Spazito]

71. Will someone tell me how it can be merely coincidental that...

the relief supplies, the troops, the buses, the start to repair the breach in the levees ALL happened suddenly at the same time, the same time as bush arrived in the area. Please, someone tell me how this was not all PLANNED to provide a photo-op for bush first, relief for the people of NO, second?

[Beetwasher]

74. It's All Too Neatly Choreographed To Be Coincidental

That coupled w/ Minstrel Boys thread about the NG STOPPING supplies from entering and the picture is clear.

They delayed help until Bush could get there and have his photo ops.

I'm beyond disbelief. It's too much.

[Zynx]

72. I am normally not a tin-foil hatter, but I think it was.

Bush is a shallow, selfish, and cruel person.

[Desertrose]

73. YES. ABSOLUTELY...I have no doubt.

lowlife scumbag

[cthrumatrix]

75. it's sooo obvious...it's criminal

[Halliburton]

76. certainly possible

I wouldn't put anything pass CIA-outer Rove

[Triana]

77. YOUBETCHA! NOW can we send him...

..careening down a bannister of razorblades into a pool of alcohol after he's impeached?

[Cleita]

78. Look at this

http://neworleans.indymedia.org/news/2005/09/3941.php

There are supplies sitting in Baton Rouge for the folks in New Orleans, but the National Guard has the city surrounded and is not letting anyone in or out. They are turning away people with supplies, claiming it is too dangerous. If we have planes that can drop bombs on people in Iraq, certianly we can air drop supplies into the city. Our goverment is KILLING the people of New Orleans. This is the message I am now sending to all major media sources, national and worldwide, as well as posting to email lists, blogs, etc. The story is getting out that the people there are not getting supplies, but the truth of WHY is not. Please help spread the word, we must get this story out. Please so not let any more of my friends die

[stevietheman]

79. The answer is apparently Yes... and Bush will pay for this. n/t

n/t

[samsingh]

80. i wouldn't be surprised if there is a link somehow

[Spock_is_Skeptical]

81. You bet your sweet bippy it was!!

It's no coincidence.

[spooked911]

82. NYT:"Troops Arrive in New Orleans After Bush Says Relief Results Are 'Not

Acceptable"

Sounds like he spoke and they jumped, to me.

[stevedeshazer]

84. WITHOUT QUESTION, Beetwasher.

THEIR ENTIRE RESPONSE IS CAREFULLY SCRIPTED AND COORDINATED.

Sorry for the capital letter attack, but I am WHITE-HOT with anger.

:grr:

[nolabels]

85. Even with the deaths of thousands of people, you bet your life

Just call us alarmist, but in the wake of todays politics we can pin them people with that charge of deserving everything that comes to them.

Be prepared, the government is not the solution, they are the problem

[jayfish]

86. Well I Don't Know If That's True or Not, But...

"people are saying". Wink wink, nudge nudge. ;-)

Jay

[Davros]

88. What Bush was thinking...

[AgadorSparticus]

90. that was certainly our first thoughts too.

i turned on the TV today and the first thing i hear is how people have degraded into "animals" in NO. :puke: I want to scream.

The only "animals" I see are the incompetent and soulless politicians who have done nothing and the journalists who are barely able to contain their racism in the face of such devastation.

[xultar]

95. FUCK YEAH!!!

[TexanDem]

97. Nice Hollywood style entrance!

I haven't read all this thread - but it took quite a bit of time to put together all than convoy, all neat and packaged and orderly. Now the first trucks had to be ready to go way before the last trucks! What's with the theatrics! And isn't it interesting how they showed up right after B* made his grand speech that he was the calvary coming to the rescue!
I'm so sick at my stomach over this I can't stand it -- and the RW are going to lap it up like a dog laps vomit!! My rage is overwhelming. How many more lives are going to be on this criminal's head! He should be impeached!

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

98. And Bush's shirtsleeves magically rolled themselves up

just in time, in response to the hard work he must be doing under the light of the cameras.

[mzmolly]

100. Republicans like Cafferty have hinted at as much.

:(

[Beetwasher]

101. It's Too Unreal

The abject vileness of it...