How Simple it is: They are reporting around 10% of what they are finding

[jsamuel]

This almost guarantees the number to be below 9/11 as they would need the count to be 30,000 to go over 3,000.


152 found in Jefferson alone, but only 20 being counted
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http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09_10.html#078783
Lee reports on deaths in Jefferson

Friday, 10:05 p.m.

Sheriff Harry Lee said Saturday night that the Jefferson Parish Coroner’s office had processed 152 bodies, but only 20 of those were deaths related to Hurricane Katrina. He said the coroner’s office was picking up bodies that are reported lying in the street and handling them to FEMA’s specifications. He also said that body count does not include bodies that may have been taken to the morgue in St. Gabriel.
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Plus, here, see "20"
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http://smh.com.au/news/world/body-search-accelerates-as-death-toll-keeps-rising/2005/09/11/1126377203656.html

The death toll in Louisiana rose to 154 on Saturday. In Mississippi it was 211. In Jefferson parish, in the western part of the New Orleans metropolitan area, the death toll was 20. In St Bernard parish, east of New Orleans, the toll was 62.

[aquart]

1. What catastrophe killed the other 132?

[Liberty Belle]

6. They may blame it on heart attacks or "natural causes."

[jsamuel]

12. "natural causes" like dehydration, starvation, and disease?

[nadinbrzezinski]

19. they are fast, ain't them?

is it not lovely when the pattern emerges?

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. I suspect cover up too

I smell a rat

[txindy]

3. I'm certain they don't want the number to rise above that on 9/11

That would take all of the impact out of the "9/11, 9/11, terra, terra, terra!!!" nonsense they constantly spew. They will undercut the Katrina death toll by as many as it takes to keep the number artificially low. Low enough to keep it below 9/11.

So, 132 bodies had deaths unrelated to Katrina, eh? :eyes: They all suddenly dropped dead from natural causes? Was it a mini-Rapture? What, exactly? :eyes: (Rhetorical question. Not directed at you, but, rather, at the Jefferson Parish Coroner's Office.)

[salvorhardin]

33. So, now the Jefferson Parish Coroner's Office

is in on the big conspiracy too?

[jsamuel]

34. obviously not, as I posted below, no conspiracy needed, just bureaucracy

and technicalities to make them classify most deaths as "non-Katrina" related

Orders on how they are classified are coming directly from FEMA. Also notice that the volunteer morticians are being replaced by contractors.

no conspiracy
no cover up
just bureaucracy

[salvorhardin]

35. Do you have a source on the morticians being replaced by contractors? n/t

[jsamuel]

36. yes, from LBN, here:

http://www.t-g.com/story/1117672.html

Saturday, September 10, 2005
By Clint Confehr

The Federal Emergency Management Agency has a hired contractor to provide services that a local mortician says have been available from volunteers through the National Funeral Directors Association.

"Volunteers would have gone at no charge," said Dan Buckner, co-owner and manager of Gowen-Smith Chapel. "Now, they'll have this job done by people who will be paid. That kind of irks me." ...

His partner, Gary Hicks of Paducah, Ky., went on Monday to Biloxi, Miss. -- instead of Gulfport as Buckner had believed previously -- to serve with the Disaster Mortuary Operational Response Team (DMort) and Buckner has relayed Hicks' report of a top-end, total estimate from officials saying up to 40,000 deaths were feared because of Katrina....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1771260

[salvorhardin]

37. Thanks

That does smack of croneyism but I still think there is far too little evidence to support the theory of a coverup.

[jsamuel]

39. i see, but how would you explain only counting 20 out of 152?

is there any logical reason to not count the other 132?

[salvorhardin]

42. I don't know

But neither do you, and that's the thing. You're assuming up front that there's some dark conspiratorial reason for why only 20 out of the 152 deaths were counted as being related to the hurricane and its' aftermath. But we don't know all the facts and it'll likely be some time before we do.

In the meantime we know that there was a complete breakdown in relation to emergency preparedness and response and that the Bush administration is largely responsible through incompetence and criminal negligence. Why is there any need to assume that it is anything other than that?

To immediately go to conspiracy theories is to minimalize that same incompetence and criminal negligence. It presumes that the Bush administration are skilled professionals at implementing complex strategies when we know they're not. Nothing, not a single thing, this administration has attempted has ever worked. Everything has failed and often disastorously.

The PCTs just undermine that one real truth and cause our trumpeting of that truth to be taken less seriously, to wave it all off as the deluded rantings of conspiracy theorists. Stick with the facts; they're damning.

[jsamuel]

43. with no reason at all, the fact stands that 152 bodies were found and 20

are being reported.

I cannot sit here and wait for them to get around to telling me why they are not including the others. I will instead do everything in my power to make sure that they are held to be responsible for these numbers until they do explain them. If they won't explain them, then I will try to investigate it and encourage others to do so as well. If we don't do this, they will not be held responsible.

No conspiracy needed, just a question that needs answering.

[beam me up scottie]

46. Wrong. The source you cite says:

Sheriff Harry Lee said Saturday night that the Jefferson Parish Coroner’s office had processed 152 bodies, but only 20 of those were deaths related to Hurricane Katrina. He said the coroner’s office was picking up bodies that are reported lying in the street and handling them to FEMA’s specifications. He also said that body count does not include bodies that may have been taken to the morgue in St. Gabriel.

NOT that only 20 deaths are being reported.

[jsamuel]

49. My second source does, and many others, here:

All of these news organizations are reporting the same numbers from Saturday which state that 154 is the death toll from Louisiana. One breaks it up and shows Jefferson parish had 20, the exact number as in the original post. The news is reporting the 20 number, if they were reporting all of them, the death toll would have been well avove 154 for the whole state.


http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:cjTBco7svoEJ:www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9156612/+death+toll+Louisiana+154&hl=en&client=firefox">From MSNBC on Saturday:

"The confirmed death toll in Louisiana stood at 154 people, including some patients on life support who died when power went out, but the toll was expected to climb as crews collected bodies trapped in houses and floating in murky water. Police and military officials have been marking the location of bodies with global positioning devices and paint on the outside of houses."


http://smh.com.au/news/world/body-search-accelerates-as-death-toll-keeps-rising/2005/09/11/1126377203656.html

"The death toll in Louisiana rose to 154 on Saturday. In Mississippi it was 211. In Jefferson parish, in the western part of the New Orleans metropolitan area, the death toll was 20. In St Bernard parish, east of New Orleans, the toll was 62."

See many others at this google search:
http://www.google.com/search?hs=7G1&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=death+toll+Louisiana+154&btnG=Search

[beam me up scottie]

54. How does that prove your "theory" that they are only reporting 10% ?

I'm still waiting for the evidence.

And like I said, FEMA is categorizing the deaths, not hiding them.

You cite msm sources that picked up on what the sheriff said.
Since when did we rely on the msm for all of our information?

Rather insulting to the locals to think that they would allow 90% of the deaths to be covered up.

[jsamuel]

57. where did I say they are hiding them?

I said they are categorizing them

again I am not advocating a cover up...

it seems like you are making my argument for me and think that I am arguing for something I am not...

[beam me up scottie]

59. Your statement: "They are reporting around 10% of what they are finding"

That infers that they are NOT reporting the other 90%.

[jsamuel]

62. "they" refers to the media reporting the 20 out of the 152 found

not that there is a cover up, but that the media is being fed the 20 and they are only reporting those numbers to us in their body counts.

[beam me up scottie]

63. Read your op again.

How Simple it is: They are reporting around 10% of what they are finding.

This almost guarantees the number to be below 9/11 as they would need the count to be 30,000 to go over 3,000.

Why would the media only report 10% ?

And why the comparison to 9/11 ?

Now try and tell me that you don't know how easy it is to start a rumour on DU.

[jsamuel]

65. Let me clarify then

(The media) are reporting around 10% of what (the cleanup crew) are finding.

This almost guarantees the number to be below 9/11 as (FEMA/Feds/Bush) would need the count to be 30,000 to go over 3,000.

The 9/11 statement admittedly has little to do with the rest of the post, but it was MY COMMENTARY on it.

[beam me up scottie]

68. See my post #66.

I think we agree on a lot of things, especially regarding the msm.

[dalaigh lllama]

94. "Since when do we rely on the msm for all of our information?"

We don't here, but most people get all their news there. The concern I have is that folks all over the country will hear these figures and think, "Well, what's all the fuss about how things went wrong in New Orleans. Mississippi had more deaths from the hurricane than they did, and we don't hear them whining."

[aquart]

60. Do we have a copy of the classification criteria?

[beam me up scottie]

70. This is the only statement I've seen:

"Any death that is determined to have been caused as a result of Hurricane Katrina will be counted as a hurricane-related death," the Louisiana Department of Health and Hospitals said in a statement.

"For example, this applies to people who drowned as well as people who required life-support but had it cut off and died as a result when power was lost during the storm," it added.

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/afp_world/view/167783/1/.html

Pretty vague.

If I was a local official, I would be keeping detailed lists of the deaths that were not counted as "hurricane related".

[jsamuel]

71. yeah, pretty vague

it seems like much of it is up to the mortician doing the analysis of the cause of death. That is why I am concerned about the contractors taking over for the volunteer morticians.

[beam me up scottie]

74. This is only going to get worse.

The EPA needs to be watched when reporting on the toxicity of the water and sludge.

I read on one blog that a few of the local citizens were being paid $10 an hour to help clean up.

What a nightmare.

[jsamuel]

76. yeah, I fear for all the people working there

The long term effects of that toxic water could do untold damage. I bet they don't even get benefits or workers comp...

[Liberty Belle]

4. Kick!

[whistle]

5. I think the body-bag order was upped from 25,000 to 40,000 today

[clichemoth]

7. Do you get the feeling...

that unless someone was impaled by a piece of debris, they didn't officially die in a hurricane related manner?

Starvation and dehydration? Not hurricane related.

Death due to treatable medical conditions for which medicine was unavailable? Not hurricane related.

Euthanasia? Not hurricane related.

Shot by cops or FEMA? Not hurricane related.

Suicide? Not hurricane related.

And so on and so forth. If they used such strict standards for 9/11, did they count the people who jumped off the WTC or had heart attacks once they realized they were trapped?

We must all watch this Bush-math closely.

[rwheeler31]

8. Hmm

How do we find the real count before they change the subject? Follow up who is missing?

[PublicWrath]

9. They are going to define the other victims out of existence.

Did someone say this might also have to do with insurance liability?

[jsamuel]

10. Maybe insurance is a big issue here

no body, no proof of death?

no proof of hurricane death may redefine what life insurance they are entitled to...

[crankybubba]

11. this is really sad

Unfortunatly I feel that we may never know the truth. It will be played down because many died awaiting rescue that never came. They will techinally say they did'nt die because of the hurrricane.

[Marie26]

16. Why would they lie?

This is Jefferson Parish, right? I remember seeing the President of the parish sobbing on Meet the Press about the loss of life & how no one came to save an officer's mother who died in a nursing home. He laid the blame squarely on FEMA & the federal gov. He also said that the sherriff, Sherriff Lee, had to post guards to keep FEMA from cutting their communications lines. He didn't hesitate to make FEMA look bad then. Yet now, they suddenly love the federal gov. so much, they're willing to cover up the deaths of their own citizens in order to make the Bush administration look good? That doesn't make sense to me somehow.

[beam me up scottie]

18. I agree.

There are way too many pissed off residents and relatives.
The alleged "cover up" is just a rumour at this time.

Welcome to DU!
:hi:

[jsamuel]

30. the way I see it, the Jefferson Pres is the only one telling us the REAL#

otherwise we would only know about the 20 right now

[Helga Scow Stern]

101. Nagin hated Bush, but now is all congratulatory.

I don't trust anything in this situation.

[TomInTib]

13. same thing going on with KIA in Middle East

applying the same crap.

[beam me up scottie]

20. Bullshit.

This has been debunked dozens of times, on DU and elsewhere.

[tx_dem41]

26. Give 'em hell, BMUS!

:)

[beam me up scottie]

29. .

:evilgrin:

[tx_dem41]

31. Nice kitty....

...you devil, you! :)

[shraby]

14. Has anyone sent this to Olbermann?

He has the resources to check it out.

[jsamuel]

22. I just did

[Ladyhawk]

15. I've thought of a cover-up, but how would they get away with it

on a large scale?

Just curious. :shrug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

23. ok ok will give you the sundry details

lets play a game...

I and my family were killed, all of us... nobody reports us missing, we never existed... if very young babies managed to survive, adopt them out and as far away as you can.

method two, try to blame as many deaths officially to anything and everything but Katrina.

These are old tricks... but they work like a charm.

And if you told me five years ago I'd see them praciced here, I woudl have gone, what are you smoking? Now, they are not above it

[Ladyhawk]

28. Gotta agree. It's possible.

I don't know if it's probable, but these asshats are capable of anything. All I can say is...WTF has happened to our country?

:wtf:

[nadinbrzezinski]

52. I ask myself that question every morning and evening

why I am donig all I physically can to take it back, damn it!

[meisje]

17. They can't get away with a coverup, too many people seeing the dead

[jsamuel]

24. no cover up needed, just technicalities

if the media doesn't take it up upon themselves to report the dead number instead of the "official" number, then that is the end of it

[ElectroPrincess]

93. This is the end, the media is owned by right wing corporate cronies ...

Just ask Kyra or Wolf?

[Eric J in MN]

21. For people who want to send this to Keith Olbermann and

ask him to look into it, his email address is:
[e-mail]

[BlueStateBlue]

25. Who's doing the counting? Diebold? This is sick.

[Autumn Colors]

27. A registry

There needs to be an internet registry set up where names of people who died as a result of the hurricane or the circumstances of the aftermath (be they "natural causes" or having one's throat slit after being raped at the Superdome).

If it were publicized well enough, hopefully the names of everyone who died would eventually be added by a family member, friend, coworker, etc.

[salvorhardin]

32. And how would you verify the accuracy of these reports?

I mean seriously, how could you guarantee that reports list real people who actually died for the reasons cited by the person reporting?

[Autumn Colors]

73. It would be a START

but it would have to be cross verified with some other lists... but I mean, if they claim that less than 3,000 died and a registry got submissions of 30,000 to 40,000 names .... I think it's safe to assume that something fishy is going on.

Sorry, it was just an idea. I'll refrain from brainstorming from now on. No need to slap the idea down. Geez.

You have a better idea?

[beam me up scottie]

77. I did see some lists about the number of children missing.

But the officials were careful to add that most of these children were expected to be found in shelters and hospitals.

There seems to be a question of just who should report the missing person.

If one woman in AZ reports her 6 year old granddaughter is missing, will other relatives in other shelters be reporting that same child?

And there was also a report about the misspelling of French names.

Yikes.

[Ani Yun Wiya]

82. A method of counting the missing....

Would start with the latest census for each affected parish or county, in each state.

From that number, subtract the number of people still alive.

The remainder of that computation should yield an estimate of the number who lost their lives in this catastrophe.

[flyarm]

85. did anyone else hear about shrimp boaters finding 230 dead bodies in

a wherehouse??

i know iheard that a couple days ago..they started out saying it was 230 people, then later in the day i heard on msnbc or cnn it was 110 people dead in a wherehouse...

anyone else hear this??

same shrimp boat guys supposedly found dead people in a nursing home..

never saw this story in print though...

fly

[leftofthedial]

38. just like they game the body count in Iraq and Afghanistan

10% would be generous.

[jsamuel]

40. See post 13 and those that reply to it

the Iraq 10% has been debunked

[Helga Scow Stern]

41. Of course they would do this if they could.

What better way to make a crisis go away than to greatly diminish the number of deaths? And by keeping the people so scattered out and cut off from each other, who will ever know?

[beam me up scottie]

44. While I agree that FEMA may categorize the deaths, I doubt that

the death toll is being covered up now or that it will be.

There is no way the mayor would allow that to happen.

And I will put my trust in the thousands of locals who are involved with the recovery and clean up.

There is no evidence to support your claim of only reporting 10%.

I suggest we pay close attention to the counts and not start running amok with conspiracy theories since they only damage our credibility.

[jsamuel]

45. In Jefferson by definition, they are only reporting 20 out of 152-fact

There is no evidence for why, but the 20 out of 152 being reported as Katrina deaths is a fact with evidence from 2 sources.

[beam me up scottie]

47. You have no other source than a blog and a reporter who cites the blog.

Yet you claim that they are only reporting 10%.

Keep crying wolf, few enough listen to us as it is.

[markus]

97. This is the local daily newspaper's blog

It should be treated as an authoritative source. It's not just a blog some buys keeping (like me, although I'm adhering as closely as I can to the journalistic standards I once practiced in terms of facts).

They are counting the bodies by FEMA Rules. If you didn't drown or were killed by wind damage or die as the result of the loss of medical care while in a hospital, you didn't die because of the storm.

Actually, you died because of the neglect of the federal government.

The more I think about it, the happier I am they are doing this.

So, headline of the future: Katrina kills 1,000; Bush, FEMA double that number.

I am not gloying in death. This is my home fucking town, even if I don't live there any more. But all the more reason to want accountability (hell, I want vengence) for what was done by the fed guv.

[salvorhardin]

48. You keep saying that

Only 20 out of 152 are being reported, but the 152 number is being reported. They are only attributing 20 of the deaths directly to Katrina in one parish, but nonetheless the 152 number is being reported. Instead of idly speculating, have you ever thought of actually calling the Jefferson Parish Cornoner's office and asking (nicely) how deaths are categorized (or any other responsible person you can think of)? If you suspect a coverup, there is nothing to stop you from doing the media's job. Just be prepared to back it up with evidence and attributable sources.

[jsamuel]

53. See post 49, it shows that the MEDIA has been reporting the 154 in LA

on Saturday, 20 of which comes from Jefferson parish.

I am not saying that there is a "cover up", but that the media is being told the official "Katrina caused" deaths were 20 and they are reporting that number, which is well below the number that of total deaths.

The source says that they categorize according to FEMA specifications. Maybe calling them would be a good idea, however I am not sure if they can take calls from me considering they are working on all those bodies and I am not the press.

[salvorhardin]

51. This report seems to contradict your assertion entirely

It even gives a clue as to how deaths are being categorized.

Storm death toll reaches 197 in Louisiana
The confirmed death toll from Hurricane Katrina increased to 197 Sunday, state health department officials said late Sunday.

Although body-recovery operations were still under way, the death toll represents the number of bodies that have been counted where the deaths were a result of Katrina’s winds, rains or floodwaters, or those who died as a result of medical equipment that became inoperable during the hurricane.

State officials said that 161 bodies were being stored at a mobile morgue site in St. Gabriel about 20 miles south of Baton Rouge; three were in the St. Charles Parish morgue, 25 were in the Jefferson Parish morgue, five were in the St. Tammany Parish morgue and three were in the Iberia Parish morgue.

http://www.nola.com/newslogs/breakingtp/index.ssf?/mtlogs/nola_Times-Picayune/archives/2005_09_11.html#078881

[jsamuel]

56. that confirms it, that is what the source said, they are categorizing them

as Katrina deaths ("the death toll represents the number of bodies that have been counted where the deaths were a result of Katrina’s winds, rains or floodwaters, or those who died as a result of medical equipment that became inoperable during the hurricane"). All other deaths are apparently not be counted in the total.


PS - The numbers are different because they are from Sunday, not Saturday, like the numbers that the original source is using.

[beam me up scottie]

58. So they are categorizing them, not only reporting 10% ?

Isn't that what I said ?

Your claim is still unproven.

[jsamuel]

61. they are categorizing them, exactly what the original source said

that was my whole point

The media is only reporing the deaths that are categorized as "Katrina deaths." In Jefferson Parish on Saturday that was near 10% of the total deaths recorded. That is all. No cover up. No conspiracy. Just categorizing them and that the media is reporting that there are 20 Katrina deaths instead of the 152 deaths found in Jefferson Parish.

[beam me up scottie]

64. That was MY point. Why suggest that officials are not reporting 90%

of the deaths?

If you had a problem with the way they were categorizing the deaths, why not put that in the op instead of the 10% figure and some oblique reference to 9/11?

[jsamuel]

67. I suppose I could have better represented my post by using more appropriat

e words.

I shouldn't have used "they" for everything.

[beam me up scottie]

66. Look, I agree with you that they will try to minimize the

total deaths no matter how FEMA categorizes them and I agree that we need to remain vigilant and informed.

I just don't like the way the rumours have multiplied on DU lately.

I know you are usually one of the first ones to be skeptical but I was afraid that people would get the wrong idea from the op.

Remember the total media blackout thread on LBN last week?
Where people were freaking out and calling the media and their reps?
It turned out to be bogus.
And several of us tried to point that out, but nobody would listen.

How many more times will we be able to do that before nobody listens at all?

[jsamuel]

69. very good points, yes we do agree

Absolutely, I agree.

If anyone can debunk I would be more than happy to bow at it.

I don't remember that thread because I never pay attention to "media blackout" threads. I have seen them before and they have always been false.

I just mean to point out this story and call for more investigation. For example, this could only be happening in Jefferson Parish. Maybe all the other places are categorizing most of the dead as "Katrina deaths." I think it needs to be researched. If the source is bogus, I will be ecstatic that the death toll is that low.

[beam me up scottie]

72. I will try to dig around tomorrow and see if

the local coroners are reporting to the blogs.

I think the parish residents and officials are going to be the ones to listen to this week.

We stand a much better chance of getting the truth now, thanks to the outrage.

There are plenty of reporters and pissed off volunteers in NOLA, we should be getting more than a few reports from unnamed sources.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

50. They must be...

...using Diebold's new electronic handheld 'scan-a-corpse' to collect and maintain the body counts.

[okieinpain]

55. well it seems the bush team has landed in nola.

[Name removed]

75. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[beam me up scottie]

78. There are still a lot of rumours out there

about Hurricane Andrew deaths.

Most have been debunked-just like the "fake" death toll of soldiers in Iraq.

But since we are expecting them to try to hide the truth regarding this disaster, we won't just accept official reports without verification.

[salvorhardin]

79. Your "article" is from a chemtrail site and it was originally

in Nexus magazine.

NEXUS is an international bi-monthly alternative news magazine, covering the fields of: Health Alternatives; Suppressed Science; Earth's Ancient Past; UFOs & the Unexplained; and Government Cover-Ups.
http://www.nexusmagazine.com

Neither source is exactly credible. Try again.

[jsamuel]

80. source source source

nutty source

:P

[beam me up scottie]

81. Ack !

"Suppressed science" ?

[Emit]

103. Sorry 'bout the sources people n/t

[jsamuel]

104. tis ok, it happens

[applegrove]

83. Worst case scenario had 60,000 casualties. So they are already way

down from that. And thank god. Water wasn't storm surge all at once in mid hurricane, it was levee leak from lake Ponchartrain. So there was a day between the Category 4 & the flood. One problem after another - not one on top of the other.

Wait until we have the facts. Trust me - there are databases full of the missing. Chances are we will know a better estimate from that in the weeks and months to come.

Unless Karl Rove was playing with the exit polls as people evacuated New Orleans, the numbers should match.

[jsamuel]

84. Yes, the truth should eventually come out, but...

the sooner the better as far as I am concerned.

[Rainscents]

86. Leave it to Micheal Moore... He'll get the truth on his next documentary!

[jsamuel]

87. no disrespect to Micheal Moore, but I think that we would do better to

expose the truth without him first if possible.

[annabanana]

88. (recommended).. HEY MEDIA! OVER HERE!! HEY! HEY!!

Do your damn job you lazy f*cks!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[demo dutch]

89. Pretty sure the Times-Picayune will try to keep track and publish!

It's my understanding that local authorities are keeping records as to the locations of bodies found, which are then picked up by FEMA. Hopefully at the end of the day they'll be able to compare numbers.

[kimpossible]

90. How "convenient"

I was immediately suspicious when the big headlines that the death toll was going to be less than predicted came out at the same time they banned reporters from the city. What a "coincidence".

[Joe Chi Minh]

91. The names of the main players concerned

will live in infamy, because Americans are unstoppable, when it comes to digging out the truth. They're pit bulls.

[PATRICK]

92. Anyone care to debunk the AAR caller

who had a fireman brother reporting 1200 corpses kept in a temporary morgue in a St. bernard's parish High School? I've posted this three times and it still seems no one else remembers hearing this on the radio.

If it is anything like the way they measure the deaths of Iraq civilians anything less than a bomb and a bullet doesn't count.

[markus]

95. Holocaust deniers

We have a government of holocaust deniers.

That is what we have sunk to.

More here: wetbankguide.blogspot.com

[silverlib]

96. These people can't/won't count votes...

how can we possible expect them to count bodies!

[glitch]

100. Exactly! nt

[mopinko]

98. we need the names of all those LOST!

someone needs to have a website with the names of all those lost to the storm. i think that so many are never going to be found. or so they will say. we the people need to keep the count.

[jsamuel]

99. I know the Red Cross is keeping track of some of these people

[bloom]

102. I heard there are over 117,000 people unaccounted for.

They should work back from the number lost - instead of working up from the bogus number "found".

[jsamuel]

105. FEMA outsources Katrina body count to firm implicated in body-dumping scan

FEMA outsources Katrina body count to firm implicated in body-dumping scandals

http://rawstory.com/news/2005/FEMA_outsources_Katrina_body_count_to_firm_implicated_in_bodydumping_scan_0913.html

[jsamuel]

106. Count in Louisiana now at 474