S**t! Did you just hear Paula Zahn say that 70% of the

[SeattleGirl]

nursing homes WERE NOT evacuated???? She is going to talk about that on her show.

This just gets worse all the time.

[Dr Fate]

1. It's like Howard Dean said on TV- if you are old or a minority...

...you get left behind.

[TerdlowSmedley]

2. Yes, but I'm betting her take is that it's all Kathleen Blanco's fault

and will be pushing the White House line. She's a shill.

[Jamastiene]

9. We agree she will spin it towards dems in LA, but the mayor of

NOLA will take the fall for this, despite his best efforts.

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. Only HS/FEMA would have the resources

to evacuate hospitals and nursing homes. We're talking a major operation would have to be undertaken.

This sort of thing must be covered in their National Relief Plan that none of them ever read.

[goddess40]

5. The facts or the truth have nothing to do with the rights agenda

if they say it the idiots will believe it as fact

[Dr Fate]

7. But but- Mayor Nagin should have loaded them on SCHOOL BUSES!!!

Didnt ya see the pictures of the SCHOOL BUSES???

Heads at the NOLA Board of Education Transportation Department will ROLL for this!!!!

[DoYouEverWonder]

22. Fucking O'Lielly just showed the school buses

I'm spitting bullets, I'm so mad. Him and another jerk were swift boating Nagin. Dickheads.

[NYC]

26. Homeland Security's FEMA will get around to it next week.

They have the rescue operation rolling now.

[malaise]

4. The owners of those nursing homes should

be arrested for murder. What a statement on how America treats her senior citizens.

[pitohui]

the owners of those nursing homes prob. died on the scene

i'm hearing the owner of st. rita's nursing home, the one in st. bernard where they waited for days and days to rescue the patients they couldn't move, went down w. her ship & died waiting with her charges

if you don't know what the eff you're talking about, just stop please stop

[Dr Fate]

12. Probably- or has this been confirmed?

???

[pitohui]

14. i haven't been able to confirm it

when i know for sure, you'll know

right now all i know is the ppl of st. bernard went thru hell on earth w. no fed. aid & the last thing i expect to see is on DEMOCRATIC underground (excuse me) the excuses being made for the feds leaving them behind

poor ppl do the best they can but in this world it's abt $$$

[SeattleGirl]

31. I thought they reported that the owner's of St. Rita's skipped out

and their attorney just contacted the State's Attorney General's office for them.

[DoYouEverWonder]

29. Maybe the people in HS/FEMA should be charged first

only they have the resources to evacuate critically ill people. An operation like this would quickly overwhelm any local government.

[malaise]

33. I agree with you 100%

The head of FEMA and the head of the federal government should be locked up for life and my generosity is because of my views on the death penalty.

[SeattleGirl]

6. Well, I'll see what she has to say.

I don't watch her very much, so cannot really make a judgment on how she is.

[pitohui]

8. i didn't hear that but i understand it

every time you evacuate a nursing home, you are GUARANTEED to kill a certain percentage of the ppl

let me repeat

you are GUARANTEED

the nat'l weather service told us the storm was going to hit flora-bama, i notice history has been rewritten & somehow we suddenly had time to get old folks off their machines & onto busses

the truth is otherwise

you would not be any happier if the old ppl had been killed because their machines were disconnected to drive them somewhere and then the storm didn't hit, hello, ivan, charley, dennis, etc.

if you don't live here, if you don't know what we're dealing with, then any more i don't wanna hear it because you are not on the reality planet

every one of those 154 of 179 ppl found today who died of "unrelated" causes? they were old, they were gonna die anyway the minute a stressor hit

ppl are really doing the best they can even if you want to believe we're all a bunch of <offensive racial epithet deleted>

[Dr Fate]

10. I'm glad my Grandma was not there. n/t

n/t

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[DancingBear]

16. Has nothing to do with walking a mile in your shoes

The argument that nursing homes should not be evacuated because "x" percent will die (GUARANTEED, to use your words) is beyond any type of rational argument.

Should we leave amputees at the hospitals as well since a certain % are GUARANTEED not to be able to walk?

Good luck to you.

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[DancingBear]

23. Sorry - can't figure you out at all

Where could you POSSIBLY get "i'm done w. ppl who think southerners, and esp. black southerners, are stupid & don't make good choices."

And "enjoy yr faux news"??

Have you EVER read me here on DU. I am guessing no.

I'm done.

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[Zhade]

32. You're raving.

The poster said nothing of the sort, but you're still playing victim.

It's tired.

[Dr Fate]

37. So much for all that "Culture of Life" crap.

n/t

[CountAllVotes]

11. how many were disabled people?

Many disabled people in nursing homes are often young. Forget them too. The LEAST important members of our society indeed.

Not only the elderly live in nursing homes!



:grr: :grr: :grr: :grr:

[pitohui]

19. not as many as you think but i'll try to find out

we are a poor state, it is close to impossible for young ppl under age 65 to get disability unless they are VERY determined & have a good lawyer

nursing care help? ha, i've known like one person under medicare age to get temp. nursing care help for a stroke & she was wealthy, most of my young friends w. disabilities are pretty much on their own

i know in the case of st. rita's in st. bernard, the ppl who could be moved w. some assistance were moved, it was only the most difficult who were left behind awaiting the helicopters that never came


believe me, i'll be seeking more info, because everyone wants to improve and make it better next time

reality is more were saved that any simulation said could be saved

read the most recent simulation "hurricane pam"

we exceeded expectation

it was never gonna happen that no one was gonna die

i lost someone too & i'm angry & pissed & but be angry at real things not at what fox teevee sez

they are manipulating you

don't let them

[DancingBear]

21. A good post here

This post of yours brings much more clarity to the subject at hand.

I read your previous posts in a totally different light than this one.

I will read on for a bit before commenting further - apologies, if in order, will definitely be forthcoming.

[CountAllVotes]

24. I don't watch FOX TV ...

I'd like to know how many persons that have disabilities were in these homes. Some disabled people live fairly long lives and they are considered a drain on the system.

I've always believed they'd like to off the lot of the disabled people, especially those that are unfortunate enough to end up in nursing homes, and yes there are many, and some are young too.

Young people that end up in a nursing homes likely have no families or other resources to rely on and they find very few friends when confronted with needing the care that a nursing home provides.
It is a reality that few choose to face.

It is indeed most unfortunate to say the very least.

and yeah, damn right, I'm pissed.

HOW MANY DISABLED AMERICANS WERE LIVING IN THESE NURSING HOMES?


This is a general question, not specifically directed towards you. I have read several other accounts of nursing homes that did not evacuate. I find this to be most disturbing.


:kick:

[CountAllVotes]

35. say what you like

However, I just heard the words "MANSLAUGHTER" ... St. Rita's Nursing Home - they left (the owners) in a boat leaving behind the workers and the patients. The workers didn't know how to swim apparently and hung on to the beds as the patients died.

And you say, "fend for yourself". Are you certain that this is the correct forum for you to be posting such thoughts and obvious actions in such a situation? Were YOU working at a nursing home in the affected area(s)?

How does a person that is paralyzed or in a wheelchair "fend for themselves" exactly, regardless of age? Answer that would you?


:kick:

[Blue Belle]

38. If Terry Schaivo was there, they'd have help in a nano second...

But instead they pulled the feeding tube from NOLA. Where's the right to lifers now? :eyes:

[jzodda]

15. 50% of the city is still under water

and that includes large areas of 1 story buidlings that are totally under water (meaning no place to escape)

So I would think that in the coming weeks we are in for some horrific scenes.

[SeattleGirl]

18. Sadly, I agree with you.

What a sad, ugly horrid mess this is. And I am convinced it need not have been as bad.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

17. i think it is higher than that

A doctor who I dated and lusted after works in northern Louisiana. Her stories - she heard from workers at the homes really shook me up. They ran, leaving them there to die.
the water came in too fast.

[zelda7743]

27. Hmmm

I've been thinking about this behavior of the employees. One could argue that most nursing home employees make $6 an hour and have no loyalty to the facility or the residents. One could argue that the employees were more concerned with the well-being of their own families to hang around and care for other people's families. One could argue that this is an example of the callous nature that has taken hold of our whole society. I guess we'll never know....

[ChairmanAgnostic]

30. the way I read it,

it was a matter of self preservation.
The staff ran to save themselves, 60-100 wheelchair bound, bed-ridden, alzheimer's wracked, and brain-damaged persons with a stressed, understaffed, underpaid and undersupported group of people trying to do something - then realizing that there was nothing that could be done. From any and every perspective, my heart goes out to everyone of them. including the staff who ran. They were not military, they were nurse's aids, or candy stripers.

what a disgusting, horrible, nasty, unnecessary situation.
but, we must deal with the leaders we have, not the ones we wished to have elected.

[ecoflame]

25. Can't stand Paula Zahn?

She's a fucking shill....

[applegrove]

34. How horrid.

[Spangle]

36. My MOTHER asked me today that If she was stuck in this kind of situation

My MOTHER asked me today that If she was stuck in this kind of situation

Not to leave her to die that way.

I asked her did she want me to try and save her, even if it ment that I would most likely die.

She said "yes." Then paused, followed by a giggle. No, if there was a chance that you might die, then don't try to save me.

That is called "reality check" folks. These are not captins who much go down with the ship. These are mothers, fathers, grandmothers, grandfathers who might need to LIVE themselfs to take care of love ones.

I told My Mother I was asking, because I really wanted to know what she expected. Because such information WOULD impact what I would do. Then I reminded her that in the same situation, I wouldn't try to "risk it" for my spouse. It was something my spouse and I agreed upon years ago. After we had KIDS. As much as I would hate dying, I would hate leaving my children without ANY parents.

YES, if I was in that hospital bed, i would want to be saved. Those that should have came (orginized it) should burn hotly. But all those who COULD MOVE out of the way of the water, should do so. I can't blame those who stayed to help.. when those who didn't COME are at fault.

That they didn't come, that didn't orginize a rescue... they did so in a room far away from the death. They didn't have to watch these people dying. Didn't have to watch them struggling because their machines were no longer working, they didn't have water, food... then way to much water.... They will NOT have the nightmares.

In nursing homes and in Hospitals.. it was a very tiring stuggle. Bearly hanging on.. waiting for help to come. Limited resources, limited workers, no power. some tough choices had to be made by staff that they will have nightmares over. All in an attempt to SAVE people.

Yes, we should be very angry. But we should be angry that the staff HAD to make some tough choices. All because help never arrived. Not because they didn't go down with the ship. the owners that left before the hurricane.. that is a different story. They didn't even try.

[DELUSIONAL]

39. I have a theory -- if the culture isn't willing to treat animals

humanely then it won't treat the old and helpless humanely either.

The idiots didn't allow dogs in shelters -- and no real plans were made to evacuate the nursing homes and hospitals.

Plus it was known that approx. 100,000 had no means of transportation -- and they were taken to shelters.

Why weren't the nursing homes evacuated on the train?

Why were the hospitals ignored?

And why were pet owners ignored?

The people who made the evacuation plans -- did a piss poor job.