Hearing on DSM NOW!!!

[helderheid]

http://boss.streamos.com/real-live/hir/4321/34_hir-liveweb_030114.smi

[Alizaryn]

1. Ackerman's statement was incredibly powerful.

[jsamuel]

2. :)

:thumbsup:

[shraby]

3. Anyone can give highlights? I don't have speakers

on my machine.

[Alizaryn]

11. He basically said he was a pacifist but voted for the war

because he trusted the administration. He spoke about a meeting that 13 congresspeople attended 2 days before the vote where Rumsfield spoke and showed "evidence" of Iraq's Nuclear Program. He spoke of questioning Rumsfield and Rummy's insistance that the picture of the Nuclear Plant, fully operational, a "recent" picture. Rumsfield stating that it was recent with a high degree of accuracy.
Ackerman was furious and said he was lied to.

(Try to get a copy of it, my paraphrasing does not do it justice)

[helderheid]

13. his voice was shaking - really powerful!

[patrice]

88. You know some BIG lies have been told when you see something ike that.

Also . . . when about 2 dozen Kansas Conservatives come to Nichols' Fountain on the KC Country Club Plaza to demonstrate that they have QUESTIONS about 9/11.

It happened last Sunday; I have an audio recording of their leader.

[BlueEyedSon]

4. is this from CSPAN, or what?

[babylonsister]

8. No, BES; just checked their website and nothing

there. Don't know who is hosting this...

[BlueEyedSon]

9. A mystery!

[helderheid]

10. got it from here

September 14, 10:30 AM, House International Relations Committee
http://wwwc.house.gov/international_relations/

[BlueEyedSon]

12. Thx! nt

[RSchewe]

19. As ususual, the Dems will be shut out since the Bush-Apologist

Republican leadership will tow the party line.

They can just use the Sensenbrenner template.

[napi21]

5. Who's the lady rambling now about her step son in Iraq?

I don't recognize her.

[jsamuel]

6. old news, in the past... blah blah blah need to look at the future blah

[babylonsister]

7. That repug woman talking seems to be in deep

denial. Who is she?

[gumby]

20. Congresswoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen

http://www.house.gov/ros-lehtinen/

She's an extreme wing-nut from Florida.

[babylonsister]

23. Thanks; she sounded like she's 'out there'. nt

[The Backlash Cometh]

94. Ros-lehtinen has revealed some shocking insider information.

First, she admits that she keeps 1,000,000 in her campaign account and that number scares off likely opponents. In addition, she says that there are agreements struck between Florida Dems and Florida Republicans to stay away from each other's territories so that each candidate can be sure they don't spend money fighting challenges. That's why Floridians sometimes are not able to vote out anybody bad for years at a time.

[BlueEyedSon]

14. Kicked and recommended.

[BlueEyedSon]

15. The chairman is a POS, he'll be up against the wall when the

revolution comes!

[Martti]

16. POS indeed

I quess his function is to grind the hearings to a halt with his booooring lecturing (that does not have much substance..)

[BlueEyedSon]

17. Oh yeah, he mentioned the WTC being "obliterated". Good thing we

got Saddam, since he was to blame (he was flying one of the planes, IIRC).

[Alizaryn]

BUT ... He is a refreshing improvement when compared

to Sensenbrenner. He is respectful to everyone which I appreciate, I can deal with disagreements.

[redqueen]

18. So... it's a crime to lie to congress, right?

:grr:

[BlueEyedSon]

22. Rob Menendez making a similar point re: "oversight" vs "politics"

[redqueen]

25. Thanks so much for the info.

:yourock:

[BlueEyedSon]

28. I assume you are referring to the Clinton era

[redqueen]

29. Huh?

?

[BlueEyedSon]

32. "lying to congress"?

[redqueen]

34. No, I meant Rumsfeld's meeting...

the one that convinced so many we had to go to war.

That or the medicare drug plan.

What were you thinking of?

[BlueEyedSon]

37. The hypocrisy (flip-flopping?) of how the Repubs treated Clinton

vs how they characterize the current Dem treatment of W.

(i.e. when they did it it was fair, now it's all "politics" and "bashing"....)

[redqueen]

39. Ah, gotcha...

I was thinking he *can't* be comparing this to that blow job "issue"!*

[garybeck]

59. the state of the union address is made to congress

the famous 16 words about Iraq seeking nucular (!) materials from Niger is a lie to congress. that speech is really at the heart of everything here. it involves Joe Wilson, Valerie Plame, DSM, everything.

[helderheid]

60. yes it is all connected!

[BlueEyedSon]

31. .

[Pithy Cherub]

30. Think it needs to be sworn testimony.

If they were in commitee or executive session, then Rumfeld should be roasted and arrested TODAY!

[redqueen]

40. Really? I thought just presenting falsified data was enough.

I wasn't really asking... was only being facetious.

Hmmmmm... now I have to check.

[redqueen]

56. Yeah, it pretty much is.

"To put it bluntly, if Bush has taken Congress and the nation into war based on bogus information, he is cooked. Manipulation or deliberate misuse of national security intelligence data, if proven, could be "a high crime" under the Constitution's impeachment clause. It would also be a violation of federal criminal law, including the broad federal anti-conspiracy statute, which renders it a felony "to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose.""

http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/06/06/findlaw.analysis.dean.wmd/

[Pithy Cherub]

64. Thanks! Good info - Rumsfeld knowingly or unknowingly

used false intelligence to affect public policy. Irony...

The proof is "what did he know and when did he know it". Have to prove intent. The tripwire is that after getting the facts, did he continue to use the same intel. :freak:

The largest chunk of the intel budget belongs to the DOD. Paging the special prosecutor...

[babylonsister]

21. Who is this guy speaking now? nt

[BlueEyedSon]

24. R Menendez, D NJ

[babylonsister]

27. Thanks. nt

[helderheid]

26. whoever he is he ROCKS

[BlueEyedSon]

33. I'm with Molloy, all Republicans are slime. I cannot even listen to this

crap!

[RSchewe]

35. It is all George Tenet's fault, a CLINTON appointee... n/t

[babylonsister]

36. Yawn. How many times are they going to mention Big Dawg?

Get over it!

[BlueEyedSon]

38. This guy is conflating 9/11 with Iraq, and characterizing Iraq as

"Islamic". WHAT A DELUSIONAL DOPE.

[jsamuel]

41. Notice the use of "Islamicist" = Islamic + Terrorist

those repubs...

[BlueEyedSon]

43. Saddam was secular, you repub congressional idiots!

[helderheid]

42. BRAVO to whomever is speaking now!!!!

[BlueEyedSon]

44. Jim de Ment?

the video is pretty blurry

[RSchewe]

45. Valerie Plum? n/t

[jsamuel]

47. Sounds like a delicious pudding!

[helderheid]

48. he keeps mispronouncing it!!

[redqueen]

57. Intentionally, no doubt... these creeps are lower than low.

:eyes:

[BlueEyedSon]

49. In the library, with the candle stick.

[helderheid]

54. LOL! n/t

[helderheid]

46. Talking about Valerie Plame now

[gumby]

50. Could Henry Hyde sound more bored or bothered

as he reads his statement about "Plum"?

[babylonsister]

53. Really! He was putting me to sleep!

Must be comforting to live in denial.

[helderheid]

51. Ackerman up

[RSchewe]

52. kicked/nominated n/t

[helderheid]

55. Calling out that we are in a single party state -- OOH MS. LEE UP!!

[helderheid]

58. Ms. Barbara Lee is KICKING ASS.

[jsamuel]

61. RECESS, back at 2pm EST to vote on the resolutions

[texpatriot2004]

62. Is there a transcript? n/t

[helderheid]

65. I'll keep my eyes out for one!

[texpatriot2004]

71. Thank you I appreciate it. n/t

[RSchewe]

63. They are just going through the motions n/t

[helderheid]

66. IT'S BACK ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

67. I just tuned in again. What are they voting on? Thank you! nt

[helderheid]

70. I think it's on bi-partisan DSM hearings - the yes votes are to throw out

that idea from what I get

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

72. Thanks! So far lots of No votes.

[jsamuel]

68. thanks

[helderheid]

69. going through votes

[helderheid]

73. announcing roll...

[helderheid]

74. and the 22 ayes, 21 nos, 1 voted present - OMFG!

[jsamuel]

75. DID THEY JUST VOTE YES ON 375 ?!

[Alizaryn]

76. They voted YES to KILL it

[helderheid]

77. BY 1 FEKKIN VOTE

:mad:

[Alizaryn]

78. If it had a shot of passing this whole thing would not have

been allowed to happen. Its called Democracy. I am ashamed.

[helderheid]

79. I am thoroughly depressed.

[Alizaryn]

87. Don't be depressed, be thankful that Conyers and others are

not rolling over. (I know what you mean though.)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

82. Ron Paul abstained. He is the Present. nt

[mvd]

90. Cowardly!

I guess all Repukes are cowards when it comes down to it. :grr:

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

92. Seems like it. I am curious how Specter is going to vote on Roberts

as he's very pro-choice. I wonder if he will be able to face the women in his family if he votes to confirm him?

[jsamuel]

80. 408 is killed 22-22- 1 voting present

[helderheid]

81. who is it voting present??

[Terre]

91. Ron Paul

If I'm transcribing my earlier scribbles correctly.

[Alizaryn]

83. Conyers is on CSpan now.

[helderheid]

84. thank you! C-span 1?

[Alizaryn]

85. yes

[texpatriot2004]

86. So, how did it come out? Did all 3 pass? n/t

[RSchewe]

89. So what was the conclusion?

Can someone please summarize? I missed the end.

[Terre]

93. All Resolutions tanked :o(

HRES 375 21-NO YES-22 1-Present
HRES 408 22-NO YES-22 1-Present (Ron Paul)
HRES 419 21-NO YES-26

Recap descriptions of House Resolutions voted on:
http://wwwc.house.gov/international_relations/fullhear.htm

I haven't looked for names/votes yet.

[texpatriot2004]

95. How can the Congress fail the American people like this? n/t