If Ohio State blows this game - as it appears they are

[Joe for Clark]

going to right now -

USC should be #1

And I am not the biggest USC fan -

Joe

[Freddie Stubbs]

1. No, Penn State should be #1

Penn State beat Tennessee. Tennessee beat Georgia. Auburn beat Florida.

You could make a similar arguement about a dozen teams.

What is needed is a playoff system.

[Joe for Clark]

4. I agree with ya -

But I am from State College -

Tell you - if that was PSU out there - Florida would NOT be moving the ball.

My old Linebacker U would be kicking their butt.

What is happening with OSU???

Joe

[OhioChick]

5. What a shock.

I thought they had this one.

[BushOut06]

10. North Dakota State - '07 National Champion

I remember several years ago, some columnist making the case the Elizabeth City College should be the national champion based on the who-beat-who system.

Wisconsin beat Penn State.

Michigan beat Wisconsin.

USC beat Michigan.

Oregon State beat USC.

UCLA beat USC.

Florida State beat UCLA.

NC State beat FSU.

Akron beat NC State.

Kent State beat Akron.

Ball State beat Kent State.

North Dakota State beat Ball State.

Ergo, North Dakota State should be the National Champion!

[KitchenWitch]

52. I LOVE IT!!!

:rofl:

[TN al]

2. Boise State

[oasis]

3. I'll second that. The Broncos played one hell of a game. (eom)

[Joe for Clark]

7. Maybe - that was a GREAT game.

Joe

[smtpgirl]

17. I thirdly nominate BSU for the Champs

Excellent GAME!!

[Frank Cannon]

31. I'll enthusiastically fourth it

That was a game people will be talking about forty years from now.

[Efilroft Sul]

37. And I'll give it the fifth!

If people argue Boise State doesn't deserve to be number one because of their schedule, then they should check out Brigham Young back in the day. Boise State Broncos are worthy (and I'm a fan of the Gators).

[RB TexLa]

6. OSU is just finding out how the Big Ten stacks up against the SEC

nothing new.

[Joe for Clark]

8. They aren't that good -

USC would beat them.

Penn State would beat them too.

Ohio State is really flat here.

Damn.

Joe

[jobycom]

13. No, they wouldn't

If OSU or USC or Penn State played the same schedule the SEC teams play every year, they'd lose one or two games a season, too. They are all good teams, but what they face is nothing like what the SEC faces. The lesser teams in the SEC are harder to beat than most of what the PAC 10 or Big 10 or Big 12 faces.

That's why the whole idea of a national champion is idiotic. A conference like the SEC now can have four teams as good as many of the conference champs, and two or three would never wind up in the playoff system. Too many teams, not enough common opponents.

And USC? Come on, they suck this year.

[Joe for Clark]

15. I know you are right on a certain level -

But man, a lot of us went to those schools.

Be damned if I see Florida winning without a protest - from me anyway.

And I do think USC would win. I think PSU would and I think even Wisconson would win this.

Ohio State is REALLY flat here.

They are making Florida look good.

Come on OSU, for gods sake.

Joe

[Roland99]

16. Considering USC lost to unranked teams TWICE, I don't see a claim to #1 there.

[Joe for Clark]

19. Oh, they lost to Oregon -

The UCLA loss - that was the super bowl for us.

USC loosing to the Bruins - that was UCLAs season and then some.

It is different when they play - doesn't matter who is best at that point.

It is college football at that point.

Joe

[Poiuyt]

11. Northern schools are always at a disadvantage in the bowl games

And it doesn't have anything to do with how good they are

See my post:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=215&topic_id=44480&mesg_id=44480

[fishnfla]

12. Penn State 20/Tenn 10 Wis 17/ Ark 14 eom

[Bluebear]

9. No, Central Michigan University.

J/K

[Roland99]

14. This is making me rue that 2nd half against Rutgers even more now.

UofL was SOOOO close to being in this game.

waaaaaahhh

[Bake]

43. NO shit!!!!

One crappy half and UofL is in the Orange Bowl instead of the championship game.

And now Petrino is going to the Falcons ... sigh.

Bake

[Roland99]

48. And Michael Bush giving a press conf. in a few min. I've a feeling he's gone

which would be a huge mistake, imo. Unless he's better off physically than everyone thinks. The NFL combines are next month.

[jarab]

18. Don't know who should be #1, but with 11 minutes to go ...

OSU is not blowing the game. They're getting their ass kicked. There is a difference.

...O...

[Joe for Clark]

21. Yep - OSU is getting their butt kicked.

Joe

[Catfight]

23. 51 days off, this is not the team that was playing all year. This is

by far a better team than 2002 when we won the National against Miami and that was an ugly game. Tressel has the best team he's ever had and why would they get so blown away? Maybe because after 51 days the whole dynamic changes? I don't know, I know when I take off a week off work for vacation I'm not into it. Plus, the gators had all the momentum going on, they didn't expect to be in the bowl, so they had nothing to lose, and they got to watch tapes all year long just in case. No excuses, but OSU is not playing as tight as they have all year long. It's a shame to be beat so badly, but hey, it is what it is, congrats to the gators. Maybe Tressel is regretting not voting now for Michigan to play us again! LOL Whatever, I'm over the whole thing, I hate getting our asses handed to us from a fluke BCS system that is pure bullshit, waiting 51 days....that's just not right. Not to mention, I'm just really pissed off they all played so horrible and I'm embarrassed for the buckeye's right now and embarrassed to be one.

[Joe for Clark]

25. I know you are right -

BUT -

To Florida - LOSE TO FLORIDA???

Joe

[jarab]

26. Florida has been recruiting "quick and fast" for a while.

The layoff probably kept the game from being closer. The system sucks. Good defense, good coaching and good luck (turnovers) for the Gators didn't hurt their cause.
The "matchup" was a dream for Florida, really.
jmo

...O...

[Catfight]

27. I hear ya -

but it's better than Miami. At least we have poise when we lose and not act like a bunch of wild animals.

[IdaBriggs]

29. Michigan had the same problem with the Rose Bowl. It wasn't the same team.

I told my husband that the break was too long for the Big Ten (I think it was a "new thing to try"). I understand why they did it, and I'm not sure how they can "fix it" with a different schedule. Sigh. :(

[Catfight]

32. We need a playoff system, that will fix blowout bowl games and

long waits to play bowl games. If there was a playoff, Florida and USC would most likely have played for the title. Right now, as it stands, I'm hardly convinced that Florida is really the best team after the buckeye's hadn't played in 51 days. Had there been a playoff, the buckeye's would have played their top game when they were in shape and hungry for a win. Maybe they would have prevailed to the title, maybe not, but at least they would have been on their game and not rusty.
I don't know what their problem was in this game, but certainly they were not prepared at all, who would you rather have in your fox hole? A guy who last shot a gun 31 days ago or a guy who last shot a gun 51 days ago? Even though the guy who last shot a gun 51 days ago never missed? You'd still place your odds with the guy who had some real time shooting 31 days ago. Playoffs is the only fix for college football, Florida isn't the best team out there, not that it matters, they are just the default team that beat a team that played much better football than that all year long.
I'm not upset about losing to Florida, I'm upset that even the Best Damn Band in the Land didn't play their best either after 51 days off.
What really was the kicker was listening to the "moran" Florida state player after the game. He couldn't find his way through a proper sentence if a script was written for him. It's a mockery when a college player speaks like a four year old. That should be embarrassing to Florida.

[PVnRT]

34. Why would you have bowl games at all with a playoff system?

n/t

[Catfight]

41. True, there would be no need for a bowl game and it would solve

the issue of teams with weak schedules and zero losses.

[Nicholas D Wolfwood]

39. OSU could have easily scheduled games later.

They chose not to. They have no one to blame but themselves.

[MoseyWalker]

20. Sorry

losers don't deserve the championship.

Boise State beat the mighty oklahoma, and would have won this game tonight (maybe).

USC. What a joke. Not this year, friend.

[Joe for Clark]

22. I am NOT a USC fan -

Boise State I can buy. ALthough "Mighty Oklahoma" is a stretch.

But Florida getting the championship - I don't think so.

I'd surely vote USC over them. And I think that is the choice here.

Bet one thing is true - Troy Smith just went way down in the draft.

Joe

[Joe for Clark]

24. Unbelievable.

Bet all hell breaks lose in the voting now - it should.

Joe

[MadHound]

28. Umm, the only undefeated team in the country is Boise State

Therefore they should be number one in the land. Instead they wind up seventh:shrug:

It is scenarios like this that absolutely beg the NCAA install a playoff system in Div I football.

[sniffa]

30. another boise vote

they're undefeated.

[Jimbo S]

33. Undefeated in a second-tier league

[SteppingRazor]

36. Exactly. If there were a playoff system, Boise would've gotten clocked

Maybe they could knock off one top-tier team, but I highly doubt Boise State could beat, say, Oklahoma, then Notre Dame and then Ohio State to win the championship.

[MadHound]

42. Well, apparently neither Oklahoma, Notre Dame nor Ohio State

Could play their way out of a wet paper bag in this year's college post season, so at least two of them would have been eliminated along the way;)

Thus this would have probably left BSU to play Florida. Would be an interesting game, but frankly I think BSU would win that one. They're just as physical as Florida, and in my opinion better coached.

[SteppingRazor]

44. Despite our mutual love of Desmond Dekker...

I must strenuously disagree.

First, Urban Meyer is a great coach. He turned Utah into a powerhouse before coming to Florida, has never lost a bowl game, and has a lifetime head-coaching record of 61-12.

After the season Ohio State had, it's pretty difficult to claim they couldn't play their way out of a paper bag. I realize you said "postseason," but clearly these were all good teams. And after Florida's utter dominance of OSU, it's similarly difficult to say Boise State could beat Florida in my not-so-humble opinion.

Of course, this is all highly speculative stuff, so we could argue it for days and one opinion's just as valid as the next but ... well, I'm right, you're wrong. So there. :P

[MadHound]

46. NO I'M NOT, SO THERE!

:P;):hi:

Yeah, this is all highly speculative stuff. Which is why we should have a playoff system instead this BCS and bowl inanity. Having a points system, based on subjective criteria, evaluated by coaches and sportwriters who have their own biases, is just asking for controversy time and again. And thus we keep winding up year after year with the situation that the BCS was designed to prevent, two or more teams with valid claims to a national championship:shrug:

[SteppingRazor]

47. I definitely agree that a playoff system would be great...

I just disagree that Florida wouldn't be the champs anyway.

(full disclosure: I'm a Gators fan)

[MadHound]

49. LOL, well congratulations then,

First off, I despise ALL Florida teams. But I actually rooted for them last night to beat OSU, a team I despise even more than anybody out of Florida.
But the Gators did good last night, and it was a fun game to watch.

I'm a large fan of the Missouri Tigers, which makes me somewhat akin to a Cubs fan, perpetually awaiting for that championship season(I witnessed one in my life, and damnit, I'll see another before I die)

And we'll have to agree to disagree on the winner of a Florida, BSU matchup. Either way, it would be fun to watch them play, seeing as how both love the gadget and trick plays.

[SteppingRazor]

50. Hey, me too! Missouri alumnus here!

:hi:

How bout that 6-0 start, eh? First time in my lifetime that happened .... of course, then there was the rest of the season.


And ARRRRRGGHH!! The end of the Sun Bowl almost killed me.

I root for the Tigers and the Gators (my fiancee's a Gator grad), so I had reason to both cry and cheer this postseason.

[MadHound]

54. M-I-Z Z-O-U!

Yeah the 6-0 start was a great beginning, even though it was against mostly puff teams. But man, the drop-off when we hit the meat of the schedule was disappointing. I'm really on the fence about Coach Pinkel, he has taken us to a couple of bowl games, but I'm really wondering if he can take us up to the next level. Sometimes I think Pinkel still thinks he's back in the mid majors and doesn't have to make half-time adjustments:shrug:

We'll see, we're getting some great talent back next year, and it will be interesting to see what happens.

And Tiger basketball is a mixed bag right now too. I like Anderson(though frankly anybody would be better than Snyder:eyes:). But I don't think we'll have that really big year for at least another year. These guys need to build up their endurance to fully enact Anderson's "forty minutes of hell." Right now they're only dishing out about thirty minutes of hell, which is why we lost to Iowa State. But they are improving, and who knows, if they get into the big dance they could go a long way. I'm immensely pleased that we've finally got a real point guard, and a big(OK, tall) guy in the middle.

[Efilroft Sul]

38. The same could be said about the 1984 BYU football team.

They were undefeated and won the national championship against an admittedly weaker Michigan team.

If #1 was good enough for BYU under the same conditions played today (bowls), it's good enough for Boise.

[Jimbo S]

45. Yes, but many people had issues with that BYU team for the same reasons

including myself.

[Efilroft Sul]

51. Be great if we could kick off the 2007 college football season with...

Boise State vs. Florida.

Sure, they won't be the same teams that won their respective bowl games. But with the influx of players being recruited and moved into starting positions by both teams, you're looking at two hungry lions who would be ready to tear each other apart to be king of the jungle.

Come on, Boise State and Florida, go for it!

For the record, my three favorite college teams are Florida, Florida State, and Miami. But Boise State has greatly impressed me this year.

[MadHound]

40. Yadda, yadda, yadda,

First off, during the regular season Boise St beat three future bowl teams(two of whom also won their bowl). Secondly they beat the Big XII conference champ(no mean feat in and of itself, even though the most major sports media routinely gives short shrift to the Big XII). Third, virtually every team pads its schedule to build up their bowl prospects during the first third of the season. So while Ohio State was playing Northern Illinois, and Florida was playing Central Flordia, BSU was beating up on future bowl winners such as Oregon State and Hawaii. Fourth, every single conference has certain teams that are pushovers, thus diluting the strength of their schedule. Stength of schedule, and judging a team based on who they play can be deceiving at times, and looking at the schedules, BSU didn't play a cream puff schedule this year. Nor did they go to a creampuff bowl and beat a sacrificial team there.

And again, let me repeat, Boise State University is the ONLY undefeated Div 1A school in the land.

It is precisely because of arguements like this that we need a playoff system for college football. All other college football, Division 1AA, Division II, Division III and NAIA all have a playoff system for college football. Let's forego this silly nonsense of a BCS and bowl games, and bring in a playoff system. Then we would have questions like this answered with finality, with Florida now going up against Boise State for the championship. That would be a game I would love to watch, and IMHO I think BSU would put the smackdown on Florida:shrug:

[SteppingRazor]

35. With its two losses, USC isn't even a possibility...

LSU and Michigan also have two losses to their names.

Florida's the only answer, unless you want to seriously consider Boise State.

[Bake]

53. Ohio State got OUTPLAYED and OUTCOACHED.

I'm not a Gator fan, although I am a lifelong SEC fan. OSU got outplayed, outcoached (by a country mile), and outclassed last night. Florida absolutely had its way. By the way, Troy, how'd that DIRT taste? Five sacks, was it? Did Troy say something to his offensive line to piss them off? It almost looked like that scene from The Longest Yard! OH - OSU got outhustled too. How about that Florida kid that lost his helmet but STILL got the sack? You can't want it any more than that.

OSU came in overconfident and stale.

SUCK IT. SEC RULES!!!!

Bake

[judaspriestess]

55. I'm late in posting

OSU was a tad bit overconfident weren't they. I am personally glad they lost because of the obnoxious fans I have come across.:rofl:

Florida DESERVED the win 100%

on edit: usc #1, yeah right