I'm finally seeing an Episode of Enterprise -- and it's the very first one!

[Rabrrrrrr]

Quite the lackluster bit of underachievement so far. A bitchy Vulcan babe, a moron spaceship captain who's apparently supposed to be a "maverick" but just comes across as a fuckwit, and a lot of stupidity all around.

But, Encounter at Farpoint wasn't a good indicator of just how awesome TNG would become, so I'll give it time.

But I gotta say - rock music for the theme music? What blasphemy.

Rick Berman -- world's greatest criminal after Shrubbie. Only he would have the shitbagness to say "Put me in charge of Star Trek so I can fuck it over and destroy it and underfund it and turn a phenomenal science fiction series into a goddamned joke that will lose money as the fans leave in droves!!!" and get his wish.

[sakabatou]

1. It went down in flames after it self-destructed

[Rabrrrrrr]

2. I'm into episode 2 - the second half of the opener. I can't believe how bad this is.

It's almost unbelievably bad.

[LeftyMom]

3. Wow, you made it father than I did.

I love Star Trek. I just couldn't bear to watch.

[Elidor]

6. That show was the biggest piece of shit

To paraphrase Ron Reagan, Jr., Roddenberry crapped better episodes than that tripe.

[pitohui]

4. end of first season episode is cool

if i remember it right, that's the "pleasure planet" episode, pretty hilarious

the true star trek is camp, look at the original series, then look at enterprise, you'll have a LOT more fun

all that serious preachy crap in between shatner and bakula i got no use for, this is supposed to be CAMP and things like "next gen" completely miss the fun

wait until you see the anti-gravity shower scene and you'll see what teevee science fiction is supposed to be, my parrot may be a little perverted but he was so thrilled and so full of wolf whistles we thought he'd explode on his perch!

:evilgrin:

[Little Wing]

5. You're sitting there with your cheese-caked chin spitting crumbs into the sides

of your recliner taking these overpaid millionaire act fucks waaay too seriously.

Seriously.

[TheMightyFavog]

7. Berman killed Trek for me when he retconned Zefram Cochrane.

He was from Alpha Centauri NOT FUCKIN' EARTH!

[Bassic]

8. No, he was from Earth.

Cochrane was the first human to develop a warp drive. He used it to go to Alpha Centauri (which was not in the movie I know), but he was from Earth.

[TheMightyFavog]

11. That wasn't the Original story...

The original story was. An interplaneteary vessel detected a signal from Alpha Centauri, Earth sent a sublight sleeper ship to investigate, and made First Contact with the civilization at Alpha Centauri.

[Bassic]

16. What? Where did you hear / read that?

That makes no sense whatsoever...

Edit: I checked and it seems that in TOS he is said to be from Alpha Centauri, but it still makes no damn sense. If he was from Alpha Centauri, how would he be human, and how would he have an English name? (I'm such a geek :D)

[TheMightyFavog]

30. How would he be human?

The same way they justified the planet Kirk got stranded on with the Native American Tribe: The Preservers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preservers

[Bassic]

31. I know about the Preservers,

but that still wouldn't explain why Cochrane is such a big hero on Earth, if he is from another planet.

[TheMightyFavog]

32. Because it was jointly Developed by Earth and Alpha Centauri.

End of Line.

[Bassic]

38. How can it be jointly developed by Earth and Alpha Centauri

when they cant interact physically?

[Deep13]

15. Actually he is from a typewriter.

So what if they changed the character?

[Bassic]

20. That is true.

But arguing about it is more fun than being reasonnable :D

[Deep13]

23. Isn't it better to live long and prosper?

Somehow, it just seems logical to encourage a sense of enterprise rather than to warp each other's views into a final frontier of impulse that will phase us all.

[Bassic]

9. It's funny, I never thought it was that bad.

Although it wasn't the exact same thing as TNG, I still thought it was pretty good, just different. There were some bizarre twists, like the whole explaining why klingons did not look like klingons in the original series thing, but aside from such occasionnal annoyance, I thought it was an ok show.

[Rabrrrrrr]

12. We'll see how it goes - I have another three or four episodes to watch

One can't really judge a series by the first episode - they tend to be more raw than the later ones because everyone (cast, crew, writers) is new.

It does have some good things in it; but it still comes across as a cheap saturday afternoon syndicated sci-fi series, like TekWar or some of those other bad ones.

[Coventina]

14. I'm going to risk flaming and say that I liked it.

In fact, I enjoyed it more than Voyager.

I was sorry when it was cancelled, because I felt that it was getting better all the time.

The finale sucked, though.

Okay, flame away.

:hide:

[Bassic]

17. I mostly agree with you, although

I'm not sure which one I'd rate better between voyager and Enterprise. The finale did suck balls, I agree.

[Frank Cannon]

10. Ha ha! You call that opening theme "rock music"?

An opera singer doing a Rod Stewart impersonation?

I remember when I first saw that first episode of Enterprise. That opening theme pretty much telegraphed to me that it wasn't going to get any better from there. I was right.

[tigereye]

26. yeah the theme music was prety horrifying....

[edbermac]

13. As soon as I heard the theme music I switched it right off.

As bad as anything done by Oasis...:puke:

[Deep13]

18. I liked it.

Was sorry to see it cancelled. It was a lot more like the original series than the inflated spin-offs that followed. Something about carpeting in a space ship that is just wrong, wrong, wrong. I liked Jeffrey Combs character as the blue guy. I also liked that the Vulcans were a bit devious. Plus, it was cool that they could not do everything. Seems like the NG series with their replicators and holodecks and super-duper transporters and techno solutions was a little too grandiose. I liked that they wore space suits and flew shuttle pods and could get their asses kicked.

Theme song: heard it once. After that it was mute city. God was that awful. I blame that hair-band theme song for killing the series.

[YankeyMCC]

19. I watched it too and made a comment about it here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=265&topic_id=3848&mesg_id=3848

[newportdadde]

21. It was a Voyager rehash ala Braga.

I remember watching it back in 2001. They went with the Braga formula, small girl with enormous breasts in tight suit and a ship that miraculously repairs itself between weeks. The show could have had real grit to it if someone like Ronald Moore had been in charge.

The ship was suppose to be primitive yet it had everything...

[philosophie_en_rose]

22. The dog, however, is adorable.

I've only seen a few episodes of Enterprise. The dog was the only thing I liked.

It was, I recall, a little beagle. :)

Finally! Some canine representation in the future! :rofl:

[JoDog]

34. Porthos was cute

The little space beagle was the series' only saving grace. The idea of a hound exploring new worlds (and peeing on them) was great.

[Zavulon]

24. I've seen five or six episodes, and all of them blew goat.

The closest one to being tolerable was finding the Borg in the Arctic, but even that episode managed to suck.

If you enjoy it, more power to you. I didn't think the series was any better than the theme song, and we agree on the song.

[Throckmorton]

28. That is an insult to goat blowers everywhere

Myself included.

[Zavulon]

29. Good point, sorry about that.

[JoDog]

35. Only 1 ep was great

That was "Twilight"--the flash forward that had to human race reduced to a couple thousand people hiding out from hostile aliens on Seti Alpha 5. That was well written and acted. The rest, eh.

And the series ender was about the worst ep of any Star Trek ever. Period.

[tigereye]

25. it was ok at first

and then, they got on the uber-action escalator with bits of machismo thrown in.

[Vidar]

27. First & last seasons weren't bad, but forget 2 & 3.

[Orsino]

33. I loved it.

It answered the questions that follows from the end of First Contact: how would barely civilized humans react to an occupation by technologically superior beings governed (mostly) by cold logic? Enterprise took it a step further, ultimately, by showing the flaws in the Vulcan outlook.

Best of all, Enterprise did it with better actors (generally; no one can touch Patrick Stewart). Oh, this last Trek had its share of stupid plot points and questionable writing, but as a series, it held together better than TNG's planet-of-the-week approach. Archer's crew was part of a more coherent universe, populated by more realistic characters.

And any DUer should appreciate the fourth season's "rise of the Vulcans" story arc, which freaking nailed the neocons.

[JoDog]

36. What frustrated me

was that the series was full of good actors, but bad acting. Case in point--Scott Bakula. We know he can act. But through most of the series he was either underemoting, overemoting, making faces or just looking clueless. He never seemed to get a grip on who the character was, what he wanted out of life, the essence of his personality. All those things are essential to getting a character to come to life. When a good actor ends up giving a performance like that, it's usually because of poor direction, unfocused and inconsistant writing, or a combination of the two.

[Orsino]

37. Fascinating.

I thought Bakula did a good job at just those things. He mixed Kirkish stubbornness with Picard-like wisdom in what I considered a realistic personality rather than being unfocused.

[JoDog]

39. Maybe it was just me

but I though Bakula looked wooden throughout the entire thing. Especially when I compare it to his work in "Quantum Leap". He always seemed to be struggling with the character of Archer in a way that he didn't with Sam Beckett.

But that's just one woman's opinion.