Joe Zamudio the CCW holder in Tucson - LA Times good article

[RamboLiberal]

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Looking back, Zamudio sees his years of target practice as preparation for that Saturday morning. With his Ruger in hand, he instinctively ran toward the shooter instead of away.

As he closed in on the two struggling men, he heard the older man with the gun shouting: "I'll kill you!" Still, he resisted the temptation to fire.

It was then that he recognized the Glock 19 in the older man's hand. Zamudio had used that type of weapon before and noticed a key detail: The slide on top of the gun was locked open, indicating it was in the process of being reloaded and wasn't quite ready to use. "I knew he couldn't shoot me," Zamudio said.

Knowing that, he charged forward without shooting. "I decided that I wasn't the one to kill him," he said. "I didn't see the shooting."

He slammed into the older man and held him against a wall until bystanders told him he had the wrong guy.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-zamudio-shooting-20110115,0,6128308,full.story


Joe Zamudio, 24, hugs his mother, Jane Hamilton. Zamudio was one of two men who subdued the shooter in Tucson. (Gina Ferazzi, Los Angeles Times / January 10, 2011)

Sounds like a level-headed good young man!

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[Hoopla Phil]

3. K and R

[MichaelHarris]

4. Like I said before

this guy has more stories than Aesop has fables. Go back to day one and watch his own story change. By the end of next week he'll probably be prosecuting the case.

[RamboLiberal]

5. I've watched this story all week too and he's stayed consistent

[MichaelHarris]

7. from being

inside the store and only coming out when the shooting stopped, never once mentioning drawing his weapon until recently? From that story to today where he drew his weapon and in the turmoil noticed the slide was locked back? Yeah, he's a hero, LOL. The shooter was down, detained by two old men without weapons and a lady held the magazine. This guy wants to be a hero? Hahahahahahahahahaa

Maybe the two older unarmed gentlemen and the unarmed lady could cooberate his story...wait, they were too busy stopping a killer.

Which is it? "A bystander with a Ruger intent on ending the violence almost shot the wrong guy. But he made a split-second decision to keep the weapon in his pocket." Or "The fact that Zamudio was carrying a gun, and his split-second decision to keep it in his pocket," To your post, "With his Ruger in hand, he instinctively ran toward the shooter instead of away."

In his hand while his hand was in his pocket? OK Rambo, was the gun in his hand or pocket, LOL?

[friendly_iconoclast]

8. I've noticed the Newspeak about CCW holders in crowds, and this is an example:

1. Old and busted canard: CCW holders will see a crime in progress, pull out their guns and promptly shoot the wrong people.

So carrying guns in public is dangerous.


Since that hasn't happened, despite years of Chicken Little prohibitionists claiming it was gonna happen Real Soon Now,

we now have the

2. New and hot canard: CCW holders will fail to fufill the (imaginary) roles of Auxiliary Civilian SWAT Team Member.

So carrying guns in public is useless.

[GreenStormCloud]

20. You are inventing details.

never once mentioning drawing his weapon until recently?

From the article: But he made a split-second decision to keep the weapon in his pocket.


There is no conflict. The gun was in his pocket and he put his hand in his pocket and grasped the gun, but didn't draw it out.

[X_Digger]

21. RIF - reading is fundamental..

He noticed that the shooter's gun- being held by one of the two guys who'd tackled the shooter, had the slide locked back..

"he recognized the Glock 19 in the older man's hand." -- the older man being not the shooter.

Fucking duh.

[shadowrider]

22. You speak to deaf ears I'm afraid

This is the guy who refuses to believe any CCW holder has ever stopped a mass shooting, the church lady notwithstanding.

[RamboLiberal]

25. Newswriters embellish

And he could have in his hand in his pocket. You made some asinine comments about this man the first time the story was posted. At least you are consistent in your anti-gun fervor.

[MichaelHarris]

26. Newswriters embellish

and you parade those embellishments as facts here at DU.

[Tejas]

28. derp

[MichaelHarris]

14. I see your point now, took a little more reading

I agree with you now, no CWP holder stopped the shooting once again. How did I miss that, thanks for pointing it out. I can now see that unarmed individuals stopped this shooter, not the man with the CWP. Wish I could take my unrec back, LOL!

[friendly_iconoclast]

6. He's probably from Moscow, Idaho originally and may own an AK-47

ISTR some reports about him here, but for some reason they were never followed up. Oh, well...

[beevul]

10. ROFL.

[friendly_iconoclast]

9. How can you tell when a VPC member is lying? Their lips are moving:

From the article:

...They always say, 'What if someone with a concealed weapon was there and could stop this,' " said Kristen Rand, legislative director for the Washington-based Violence Policy Center. "Well there was, and he almost shot the wrong person."....
...Rand, the gun control advocate, said more guns in the hands of the populace drive up gun crime rates when domestic disputes, traffic stops and workplace arguments escalate to shootings
"People that live in states like Arizona that think guns are the answer to their problems will continue to go down that road and ultimately pay the price," she said....

A strawman argument AND the "blood on the streets" horseshit again. Sweet Jebus on a Sportster, I heard more believable

propaganda on Radio Tirana back in the old Stalinist days!

[beevul]

11. wouldn't "almost shooting the wrong person"...

wouldn't "almost shooting the wrong person" be a case of someone firing and luckily missing, rather than using good judgement?

The bradys, the vps, the csgv...


All lieing orgs that have not one shred of decency or goodness.

Fortunately, everyone but their brainwashed members know this, these days.

[lawodevolution]

19. most gun control groups work to maintain their jobs and income rather than

to do any good, and they are willing to lie, manipulate and use deception to keep the money flowing. in the end they are scam artists.

[krispos42]

12. The lesson with CCW is unless it's happening to you, you don't know what's going on.

So leave the gun in the holster until it is happening to you.

[MichaelHarris]

13. The lesson should be

on DU, is if you're going to quote an article do it honestly. "As he grabbed the older man's wrist to wrestle the gun away, bystanders yelled that he had the wrong man — it was the man on the ground who they said had attacked them and U.S. Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-Ariz.). The gun the older man was holding had been wrestled away from the shooter. "

The OP brushes aside the fact that Zamudio attacked the wrong man. And this little tidbit, "But gun control advocates see Zamudio's story as an example of how Arizona's gun-friendly culture and lax gun laws have not only failed to make the streets safer, but also have potentially endangered lives."

[krispos42]

15. But you also can't brush aside...

...the fact that, while Zamudio has probable cause to shoot the man holding the gun, and if he had, probably would have gotten away with it from a legal standpoint, Zamudio in fact exercised judgment and did not. This is something that the caricature drawn of the CCW permit holder doesn't usually acknowledge. Plenty of rhetoric about cowboys, Bruce Willis wanna-bes, knee-jerk reactions, innocent bystanders caught in the crossfire, and bloodthirsty gun-toters just itching for a chance to legally shoot somebody (with their shiny metal penis), though.

Yeah, Zamudio had the wrong man. And yeah, the actions Zamudio took against the wrong man were easily correctable and caused at most minor inconvenience.

[MichaelHarris]

16. yeah

being grabbed by a man with a gun while you are actually trying to stop a crime is at most a minor inconvenience

I'm too tired to find the sarcasm tag.

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[friendly_iconoclast]

23. We brushed it aside because it's irrelevant. Zamudio did *not* endanger anyone.

That's a bit of sophistry on the order of claiming that those DUers that own cars are "potentially endangering" others by

having the potential of causing a car crash via their ownership of automobiles.


And let's not forget to mention the bit of Orwellian newspeak in the 'tidbit' you so thoughtfully provided for us:

"But gun control advocates see Zamudio's story as an example of how Arizona's gun-friendly culture and lax gun laws have not only failed to make the streets safer...

And the chocolate ration has been increased from 30 to 20 grams per month. I suppose good citizens aren't supposed to

mention the fact that "gun control advocates" were pushing the story for years that lax gun laws were going to make the streets

less safe...

[shadowrider]

24. the chocolate ration has been increased from 30 to 20 grams per month.

Not to mention 2+2=5 and we've always been at war with East Asia.

[lawodevolution]

18. This man did a very good job and his reaction was typical of a civilian with a CCW

if he were a police officer the innocent older guy would be dead right now.

Making a statement about the CCW holder not stopping the crime while an unarmed citizen did and this means that CCW is worthless is very childish, many crimes are avoided by CCW holders every day.

[MichaelHarris]

27. LOL!