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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:08 PM
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Illinois handgun bans on the outs?
Be it enacted by the People of the State of Illinois,
3 represented in the General Assembly:

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6 Section 5. Legislative declaration. The General
7 Assembly finds that as a matter of public policy it is
8 necessary to provide statewide uniform standards to guarantee
9 that the right to arms guaranteed to individuals under the
10 Second Amendment to the United States Constitution and under
11 Article I, Section 22 of the Constitution of the State of
12 Illinois and the right of equal protection guaranteed under
13 Article I, Section 2 of the Constitution of the State of
14 Illinois apply equally to all persons in the State of
15 Illinois, and that the laws regulating the possession,
16 transportation, storage, purchase, selling, or otherwise
17 dealing in firearms, ammunition, components, accessories, and
18 accoutrements apply equally throughout this State. The
19 General Assembly finds it necessary and in the public
20 interest to occupy the entire field of regulation of the
21 bearing of firearms to ensure that a person who qualifies
22 under the laws of the United States and of this State is not
23 denied his or her rights and that a person who does not so
24 qualify does not have those rights.

25 Section 10. Possession of firearms. Any person who is
26 in the possession of firearms, ammunition, components,
27 accessories, and accoutrements in compliance with the laws
28 and regulations of the United States of America and of this
29 State is entitled to possess those firearms throughout this
30 State; and a county, municipality, or other unit of local


-2- LRB093 03863 RLC 03898 b
1 government may not limit, abridge, or deny that right.


http://www.legis.state.il.us/legislation/93/hb/09300hb3631.htm

Could this be the result of the Wilmette incident?
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:18 PM
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1. There may yet be hope for the Illini
Whoever was involved in authoring this bill deserves a pat on the back.

Let's all hope it passes and that any potential veto is averted or overridden.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:21 PM
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2. Local pre-emption is one...
...of the important fights that RKBA is fighting and winning.
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:27 PM
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3. VA has one of the strongest that I have read...
They even forbid subdivisions from restricting CCW.
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RoeBear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 11:59 AM
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9. Political subdivisions...
...such as a city, county or township? Or do you mean a platted real estate developement that would have a deed restriction banning guns?
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:35 PM
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10. Political subdivisions...
Development could have covenants I assume. I know that with antennas for amateur radio service, local governments cannot restrict antennas, but there can be deed covenants and restrictions.

Check title prior to closing.
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 12:45 PM
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11. We all should remember Charles Keating.
Edited on Sun Feb-15-04 12:46 PM by alwynsw
When I lived in Phoenix, he led a group of investors that developed a subdivision just off I-10 west of the city. The deed restrictions there prohibited alcohol, adult printed material (Playboy included), and even required the cable company to black out show's such as HBO's "Real Sex". There were hefty penalties to be paid to the owners association for anyone foundin violation of these restrictions. Needless to say, the place filled up with fundies.

In some states, developers can play god with deed restrictions. READ CAREFULLY BEFORE YOU BUY OR RENT!
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 01:13 PM
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12. Preemption laws wouldn't apply...
they are entered into voluntarily. Except for equal protections
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 02:03 PM
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13. That's why you read carefully and completely b4 U sign
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-15-04 02:47 PM
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14. absofrigginlutely
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:29 PM
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4. Unfortunately, when a state legislature is essentially controlled
by a relatively small area, such as is the case with the Illinois dog being wagged by the Chicago tail, the rest of the state suffers.

We all know how bright and progressive Daly and the Chicago Board of Aldermen (is that the correct term?) where firearms ownership rights are concerned.
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:37 PM
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5. By the way the bill is worded,
If it doesn't pass, it may become ripe for equal protection review by courts.

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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:43 PM
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6. the problem is
collar county gunshops shipping guns into the chicago gangs. there are several gunshops that have been named but it`s hard to go after them because of the state and federal laws. so the people are terrorized thru out chicago because the gangs have access to any kind of weapon that they want to buy. if the federal gun laws went after these guys..but no that`s their "right" to sell without punishment
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MrSandman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 01:47 PM
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7. Unsubstatiated allegation...
As long as they sell to a person in state, do a NICS, and do not knowingly complete a straw sale, the federal laws are satisfied.
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alwynsw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-14-04 03:27 PM
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8. That argument should be on Social Security by nwo
Why on earth would you propose punishing a business owner for pursuing his legal trade. Your logic in the argument is as sound as prosecuting an auto dealer because he sold a car that was later used in a crime inanother jurisdiction.

Let's move up to the real world, shall we?
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jhfenton Donating Member (567 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Feb-16-04 12:04 PM
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15. Chicago is a Criminal Protection Zone
the problem is collar county gunshops shipping guns into the chicago gangs. there are several gunshops that have been named but it`s hard to go after them because of the state and federal laws. so the people are terrorized thru out chicago because the gangs have access to any kind of weapon that they want to buy. if the federal gun laws went after these guys..but no that`s their "right" to sell without punishment
The problem is that Chicago and Illinois disarm the law-abiding populace, allowing the law-ignoring criminals to feel safe.
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