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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 07:56 PM
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Feds Tracking Gun Purchases (Ammoland.com poutrage)
http://www.ammoland.com/2011/05/05/feds-tracking-gun-purchases/

The ATF is at it again and this time, its not just shotguns theyre after.

The new Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms, and Explosives (BATFE) rule would require gun stores to report to the federal government the names of people who purchase more than one rifle in a week.

<snip>

The new BATFE rule change has been in place since January. It was trumpeted as a supposed solution to the problem with Mexican gun runners on the Southern border, but common sense tells us otherwise.

The BATFEs exact rule states that anyone who purchases more than one rifle that is semi-automatic, larger than .22 caliber, and capable of using detachable magazines within five business days of each other, must be reported.

<more>

Finally, a common sense solution to Mexican Cartel gun running

yup
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:02 PM
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1. Ahh ignoring gunwalker still, are we? N/T
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:07 PM
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2. Do you know who is against this rule? The biggest GOP/NRA douchebaggers in Congress
Edited on Thu May-05-11 08:24 PM by jpak
David Vitter (R-diaper boy & moran- LA)

Rand Paul (R-uber-moran - KY)

Tom Coburn (R just plain stupid moran -OK)

yup
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:11 PM
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3. I don't care if the devil himself is for it, and the pope against it jpak.
Wrongheaded is wrongheaded.


ANd still you continue to ignore gunwalker.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:14 PM
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4. Wah Wah Wah - gunwalker is a GOP/NRA smokescreen to divert attention from the REAL problem
gun running from US gun dealers, gun shops and gun shows

and the GOP/NRA protects them

yup
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:18 PM
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5. Did you buy stock in Reynolds aluminum foil?
You need to with all the bullshit you are spouting.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:21 PM
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6. If there isn't a problem, then Law Abiding gun dealers will have no problem with this rule
others?

not so much

yup
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:25 PM
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8. If you have nothing to hide...
"If you have nothing to hide then you should have no problem with the patriot act, or warantless wiretapping"



How "bushian" of you jpak.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:27 PM
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10. Law abiders will not fear aiding law enforcement against the Bad Guys
yup
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:30 PM
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12. Gun controll supporters will not say so much as a peep...
Edited on Thu May-05-11 08:30 PM by beevul
Gun controll supporters will not say so much as a peep when law enforcement aids the bad guys.


Kind of makes any sound and fury coming from them significant of...nothing.
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:12 PM
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15. Do you also have no problem with the feds also listening to your phone calls and reading your email?
After all, if someone is law abiding, they have nothing to fear... right?
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 09:16 PM
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16. One might glean some insight to the answer to that question here...
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TheWraith Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:50 AM
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19. Yep. He just doesn't want to admit it, because it exposed the authoritarian nature of his beliefs.
When you endorse giving up your rights of privacy, of freedom from unreasonable search and seizure, from state surveillance and data mining, etcetera, it really does become Republicanism with a slightly different color. Pro-choice neo-fascism instead of pro-life.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 05:48 AM
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21. Yes, and I own jackboots too
:rofl:
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S_B_Jackson Donating Member (564 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:54 PM
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24. THAT wouldn't suprise me at all. (n/t)
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oneshooter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:13 AM
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28.  I bet you even know the required angle to raise your right arm too. n/t
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:23 PM
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7. Oh, the GOP/NRA made the whistleblowers in ATF tattle?
Oh, the GOP/NRA made the whistleblowers in ATF tattle?

Is that your position?

I'm sure that will be comforting to the family of brian terry - the BP agent who was killed with a rifle ATF let walk.



Why don't you contact them and let them know, K?
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:25 PM
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9. K if you apologize to the families of Mexican Cartel victims killed with US gun dealer weapons
yup
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:27 PM
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11. Why would I?
I never called on YOU to apologize.

I called on you to explain it was the NRA/GOP fault.


Thanks for playing.
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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:30 PM
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13. The GOP/NRA opposes the ATF multiple gun purchase reporting rule
They aid and abet the Mexican Cartel and criminal GOP/NRA gun dealers

yup
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 08:35 PM
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14. I oppose it too.
And so do many Americans.

"They aid and abet the Mexican Cartel and criminal GOP/NRA gun dealers"

Bwahahaha.

You claim nra/gop aid Mexican Cartel by opposing a rule in America out of one side of your mouth, and spew nothing but high quantities of silence out the other when ATF aids cartells in a more direct way.


Says about all that needs saying, right there.





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jpak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:15 PM
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17. I rest my case
yup
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Straw Man Donating Member (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu May-05-11 10:27 PM
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18. You have to have a case...
...before you can rest it.
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beevul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 12:57 AM
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20. That means so much coming from a supporter of the lieing....
That means so much coming from a supporter of the lieing, republican (edit:moran) led, republican founded) batty bunch.

Odd, they aren't saying so much as a peep about the guns ATF let walk or the death of BPA terry, either.


Go figure :eyes:
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Atypical Liberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-06-11 09:13 AM
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22. I don't have a problem with it.
I don't have a problem with a flag getting raised for a little extra scrutiny if someone buys more than one rifle in a week.

I am lucky if I get to buy a new firearm every 3-5 years. I can't imagine there are that many people out there with the disposable income to buy multiple rifles in a week, unless they are up to no good.
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Oneka Donating Member (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:59 PM
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25. I don't have a problem
with it either. But the should do it legaly by amending the GCA of 68. As it stands now the gun control act is where the authority is
derived to make gun dealers report the multiple sales of handguns. the law does not allow for the multiple reporting of long gun sales.
They are attempting to skirt the law and demand these multiple gun sale reports by administrative diktat.
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Euromutt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 02:19 PM
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29. Yeah, it's that executive fiat thing that sticks in my craw
Well, that and the low number of firearms needed to trigger a report. Two long guns in five business days? I'm a bit leery that that's going to generate so many reports that the ATF will cause itself to be snowed under, and they'll never extract any actionable intelligence from them in time.
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aikoaiko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-07-11 10:48 PM
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23. When I'm in a compromising mood, I wonder why they don't allow 2or 3 rifles before extra scrutiny


When I had a little extra cash, I sometimes bought two or three guns at a time.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 01:25 AM
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26. As long as you have no objection..
...to Treasury investigating you withdrawing more than $60 from your checking account, and tracking the serial numbers of all the money you withdraw, then I'm cool with this.
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Logical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 09:45 AM
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27. They do tract cash transactions over $10,000. So guess you are OK with it. n-t
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-08-11 10:18 PM
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30. Not 10,000. 60. n/t
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:08 AM
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31. I have a C&R license and sometimes purchase 3-5 rifles at a time
I will keep the best 3 to hand down to my 3 sons when I die and I sell the 2 that are of lesser quality. They are rifles that are 50+ years old which makes them collectables. I am not arming a cartel or a bunch of gang bangers so it is none of the ATFs business what I am buying.
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lawodevolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:15 AM
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32. Let me guess. Mosins
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rl6214 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-09-11 03:22 AM
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33. I have done that with Mosins, Yugo SKS, Albanian sks
and M1 Garands.
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