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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 09:51 AM Original message |
A sane person’s guide to ‘Fast and Furious’ |
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ProgressiveProfessor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 09:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. Duplicate post |
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Lurks Often (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
2. What a farce |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 10:10 PM Response to Reply #2 |
98. You state exactly why we know there was no intent to trace |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 10:51 AM Response to Original message |
3. I have no idea why |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. My question is where did the 65,000 number come from? |
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Remmah2 (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
5. Update on ATF foolishness |
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Nuclear Unicorn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Oct-20-11 02:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
93. Obviously we need to close the Grenade Show Loophole n/t |
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Upton (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
6. Holder is a liar.. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
7. So-o-o, Dan, whatever happened to Sharyl Atkkisson (CBS)? She go insane? nt |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
8. Definitely not a tracking operation. |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 05:22 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. Conspiracy theories... |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 06:01 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Only if you call CBS |
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DanTex (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 06:04 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. What are you talking about? |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 06:11 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. No it seems like |
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Atypical Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #12 |
17. That just doesn't hold water. |
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Oneka (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 08:05 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Really , tracking operation gone awry? |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 10:22 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. Actually, what we do know |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 02:27 PM Response to Original message |
9. That's what I think too. Thanks for posting and subjecting yourself to wrath of the gun obsessed. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. Explain to me |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 05:11 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. Objectively? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 12:19 AM Response to Reply #11 |
32. Not when it comes to your precious guns -- that's for sure. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 06:12 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. So you don't believe that people died as a result of the ATF operation, or that |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 06:33 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. "Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!" They protest too much, methinks |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 12:12 AM Response to Reply #16 |
30. I believe gun trafficking in this country is out of control. That's why it was done. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 04:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
33. For the Nth time Hoyt, This was NO botched sting. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 11:55 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. So, I am not an apologist for the so-called "gun culture." |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 03:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
61. Perhaps not, but you are a denier of reality, where F&F is concerned. N/T |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 01:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
55. Oh boy, this is going to have to go line by line I guess. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 06:26 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. I'm old enough to remember when certain persons were very emphatic about describing Watergate as |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 06:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
20. Hoyt, you also believe that a red dot sight is for long range sniping. n/t |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 12:07 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. You believe red dots are to help you clear a room -- like you'd ever need to do that in your wildest |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 12:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. why would we have to clear a room? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 11:51 AM Response to Reply #29 |
41. If ;you are acting in the capacity of a policeman, no problem from me. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 01:42 PM Response to Reply #41 |
51. wannabe what? |
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Katya Mullethov (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 07:34 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Old and busted =Clearing a room |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. That's what some gunner here said was the purpose of his red dot sights. BS I know, but he said it. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 01:44 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. Got a link to this claimed post? We'll wait, as you have a donor star and can easily search for it. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:54 AM Response to Reply #52 |
87. You must be kidding!!!! |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:23 PM Response to Reply #87 |
91. Yeah, but it's just another example of his mouth writing a check that his ass can't cash n/t |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 01:00 PM Response to Reply #91 |
99. Yes, like "dodge and shoot." |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 10:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
77. Here, I'll attempt to educate you. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
100. No, not a fantasy. Done it numerous times for real. Urban combat is not |
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Oneka (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #9 |
22. So the folks who blew the whistle on this |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 12:18 AM Response to Reply #22 |
31. No one is defending it. But gunners' attempts to bring down the whole administration is misplaced |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 04:45 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. "No one is defending it" but those who investigate it are " on a witch hunt" |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 08:04 AM Response to Reply #31 |
39. What we want is answers |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 02:29 PM Response to Reply #31 |
56. "No one is defending it." Really? |
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Abq_Sarah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. You are mistaken, dear |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 11:48 AM Response to Reply #27 |
40. Oh, you must be in a militia. I support the ACLU position on guns, particularly toting in public. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 01:28 PM Response to Reply #40 |
47. Do also support the ACLU |
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tortoise1956 (403 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #40 |
54. I support the ACLU position also. See the link below |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 03:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
66. I support their National Policy on guns -- which will make many of you pucker. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 07:26 AM Response to Reply #9 |
37. Thank you Hoyt. You have nailed the critical bullshit of Bookman's piece. |
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spin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #9 |
60. Of course you qualify as a human attempting to imitate an ostrich .... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 10:05 PM Response to Reply #60 |
73. At least I just stick my head in the sand. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 10:20 PM Response to Reply #73 |
76. Hoyt, that is not sand you are sticking your head into. n/t |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 10:56 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Yeah.... warmer, wetter and more odorous... n/t |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:01 AM Response to Reply #79 |
81. Appreciate the first hand info. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:56 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. You can google insructions for safe removal. n/t |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:59 AM Response to Reply #81 |
89. We are talking to you.... |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
23. A big fat Scotsman... |
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Kennah (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 10:24 PM Response to Original message |
25. F&F ranges from dumb-assed to criminal |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-14-11 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
26. It's got nothing to do with these right wing conspiracies and everything |
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Tejas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 06:02 AM Response to Original message |
35. You would be laughed off of CUATF.org |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 07:19 AM Response to Original message |
36. Bookman: There’s no question that F&F represents a serious failure of federal law enforcement |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 12:35 PM Response to Reply #36 |
44. Well, they've indicted over 30 suspects who were trafficking guns -- that sounds pretty good to me. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. You really love the "you're either with us or against" posturing, dont you? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 01:36 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Like I said and you confirmed, any threat to the gun pipeline worries you guys. |
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aikoaiko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 02:47 PM Response to Reply #48 |
59. Well, we agree that more needs to be done to stop gun running into Mexico. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 03:36 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Too bad you don't look at guns in public the same way when they contribute to deaths.. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 04:11 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Violations of law should be prosecuted. Do you believe that the ATF |
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Oneka (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. "they've indicted over 30 suspects |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 01:49 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Why, that's less than four deaths per indictment! I can't understand why people are complaining... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 03:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
63. Again, too bad you don't express the same moral outrage when some gun nut kills someone. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 04:10 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Again, do you believe that the ATF violated U.S. laws, Mexican laws, and/or International laws |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 12:40 PM Response to Original message |
45. Story needs update to include "sane" outlook on walking grenades. nt |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #45 |
49. You mean the guy who was made an informant. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 02:34 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. And exported the parts for 2,000 grenades: |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 02:38 PM Response to Reply #57 |
58. Some people really do believe that you can't make an omelet without |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 03:40 PM Response to Reply #58 |
65. Too bad you don't get enraged when some gun nut shoots someone without reason. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. LOL, "gun nut". How quaint. Say, don't you have some questions to answer? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #65 |
72. Do you get enraged when someone gets busted w/ child porn on their computer? |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 10:07 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I do get enraged, and I see no reason to have such photos at home or strapped to my body. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 08:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
92. You never did answer those questions |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 03:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
64. Yep, they were trying to get to the people who ordered the use of deadly weapons. |
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Hoopla Phil (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 04:06 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. By giving them deadly weapons? How did that work out again? |
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Oneka (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 06:29 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. No .. they really wern't |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 10:09 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. Thye've already indicted over 30 of them. They'll get more if you gunners would quit whining about |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Oct-15-11 10:55 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. well, they are doing a lousy job |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #78 |
80. With no help from the "gun culture." |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 12:34 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. you forget |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 05:18 AM Response to Reply #82 |
83. I disagree. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 10:19 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. Some were. Some were selling with a big grin on their face and cash in their pocket. |
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Oneka (319 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 07:37 AM Response to Reply #75 |
85. And how many |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 06:49 AM Response to Original message |
84. If you have to use an ad hominem in the title to make your point, I'd say your point sucks |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Oct-16-11 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
90. CBS done gone nuts! nt |
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chrisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Oct-21-11 07:49 AM Response to Original message |
94. Next up: Giving Al Qaeda stinger missiles as part of an undercover operation. |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 10:37 PM Response to Original message |
95. UPDATE: "Documents: ATF used "Fast and Furious" to make the case for gun regulations" |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-11 06:08 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Damn those crickets are loud |
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101. Not much activity in the day and a half |
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97. I found a photographic representation of this opinion piece |
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