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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 09:45 PM Original message |
If you carry a loaded gun - you are ready, willing and able to save someone with it |
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provis99 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. say hello to my leetle friend! |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 09:53 PM Response to Original message |
2. Or kill your family and any bystanders. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
65. No. You grossly overestimate. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 07:13 AM Response to Reply #2 |
112. Can you provide empirical evidence of that claim? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 04:43 PM Response to Reply #112 |
181. Actual evidence to support a gun-control claim? |
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Old Codger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 09:56 PM Response to Original message |
3. There |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 10:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. there Is no way to have a sane logical discussion on anything in this forum |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 10:38 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Deleted message |
madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
33. DU3 will provide us with a welcome relief from this forum! |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 02:03 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. just like the TV |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 11:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
54. As my comment says, when DU3 is introduced I will be blocking this forum just |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:37 PM Response to Reply #54 |
78. If you can't restrain yourself from coming in here now..... |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 04:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
182. Why wait? |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 04:02 AM Response to Reply #33 |
40. And yet, here you are posting in the very forum you decry.... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:20 PM Response to Reply #40 |
75. They'll get their way, one way or another.nt |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 09:19 AM Response to Reply #33 |
48. well, I can understand the frustration but, there is a bigger picture -- |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #48 |
55. I am not stifling any discussion. I am only saying that I have no desire to have |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 11:26 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. and yet --- Here you are -- |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 11:41 AM Response to Reply #56 |
57. I will be heading over there in a little bit. For now, I have an arguement |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:03 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Well, you keep that shit in the Lounge then. We only discuss wholesome, onion-related |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #60 |
83. damn skippy, pardner |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 02:54 AM Response to Reply #55 |
110. Yet you keep coming back |
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Hangingon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 10:23 AM Response to Reply #33 |
49. That is the solution. |
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madinmaryland (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 11:18 AM Response to Reply #49 |
53. I'm not stifling your discussion. I just want no part of the "discussion" that goes on in this |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 11:52 AM Response to Reply #53 |
58. Then why are you still here? Shoo!! Get thyself gone! n/t |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 07:05 AM Response to Reply #53 |
111. That is evidently a false statement, because here you are! |
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discntnt_irny_srcsm (916 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
132. You seem like a good guy. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #33 |
74. Seriously, how will this "welcome relief" manifest itself? What |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 02:00 PM Response to Reply #33 |
85. never mind -- deleted subthread confused me for a moment |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #3 |
73. Probably because some anti-2A folks have, you know... |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:58 PM Response to Reply #73 |
84. excuse me |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 09:59 PM Response to Original message |
4. I was wondering how often that happens |
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socialindependocrat (379 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 10:21 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. The police don't stop crime |
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Nikia (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 11:36 PM Response to Reply #5 |
15. I don't know how many civilians carry |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:49 PM Response to Reply #15 |
69. Nationally, the average is somewhere around 3 percent who actually carry concealed. |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 07:41 AM Response to Reply #69 |
113. Minor correction re: Illinois |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
76. Concerning your fears about "a couple who hope..." |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 07:54 AM Response to Reply #15 |
115. I'm sorry, but I don't see what the problem is? |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 12:29 PM Response to Reply #115 |
124. Remember the parable about crabs in a bucket... n/t |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 10:37 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. It is not common |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:00 AM Response to Reply #4 |
18. There are several websites that document actual incidents of self-defense. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:16 AM Response to Reply #4 |
20. depends on the study |
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DissedByBush (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:31 AM Response to Reply #4 |
23. It's hard to estimate |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #4 |
68. Defensive gun uses are estimated anywhere between 250,000 and 4 million per year. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #4 |
141. There may be a website for this... |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 10:29 PM Response to Original message |
6. but more likely |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 11:55 PM Response to Reply #6 |
17. So-o-o-o-o... you're volunteering to be responsible for my personal security.... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 04:19 PM Response to Reply #17 |
90. He's doing his part by not carrying a gun. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 04:38 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Leaving him alone and not interfereing with his options, liberty or property. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:19 PM Response to Reply #90 |
130. Not a damn thing |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 04:40 PM Response to Reply #130 |
142. But Pave Pusher seemed to expect someone to be protecting him. Hence the question |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 05:38 PM Response to Reply #142 |
147. You misunderstood the question... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #147 |
163. Firstly, I expect nobody to be disarmed. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 09:47 AM Response to Reply #163 |
176. Firstly.... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 09:57 PM Response to Reply #176 |
183. Once again, let me clarify my position |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 08:44 AM Response to Reply #6 |
41. False |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 04:23 PM Response to Reply #41 |
91. What exactly is a lie? |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 08:09 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. Well.. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:47 AM Response to Reply #98 |
108. Firearms are the suicide choice of US children. Not to mention accidents and domestic disputes |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 07:49 AM Response to Reply #108 |
114. And how does this have anything to do with the statement at hand? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 05:08 PM Response to Reply #114 |
145. OK. let me help you see the absurdity of it. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 05:40 PM Response to Reply #145 |
148. no but |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 08:48 PM Response to Reply #148 |
169. Well that clears up the whole issue. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 07:00 AM Response to Reply #145 |
174. Sounds like the arguement you are trying to make is |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 12:39 PM Response to Reply #108 |
125. Skewed statistics. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 05:17 PM Response to Reply #125 |
146. Sorry, I'm not familiar with Kellerman. I didn't find that name in the link I posted. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 05:41 PM Response to Reply #146 |
149. I dont. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 10:01 PM Response to Reply #149 |
170. Well, you've made up your mind, but you might want to read this |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 11:13 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. you know what I noticed |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 11:16 PM Response to Reply #172 |
184. Criminology is a interdisciplinary. Donohue's research was exemplary. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 11:41 PM Response to Reply #184 |
186. MDs are not scientists |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 12:30 AM Response to Reply #186 |
188. Donohue is not an MD. He is a Law profeesor, Economist and Criminologist, Sociologist, you name it |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 01:02 AM Response to Reply #188 |
190. my bad |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 01:12 AM Response to Reply #190 |
192. Yes, I have read Kessler. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 07:21 PM Response to Reply #146 |
161. Arthure Kellerman, author of the CDC study |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 08:22 AM Response to Reply #91 |
116. Let's restrict ourselves to the claims that were made, shall we? |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 04:52 PM Response to Reply #116 |
144. Sorry, I'm not buying your "7 times saved" claim |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 05:45 PM Response to Reply #144 |
150. Yes, you can exclude suicides. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 07:49 PM Response to Reply #150 |
164. Wrong again. Your denial is staggering. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 08:07 PM Response to Reply #164 |
166. Let's see the study |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 10:04 PM Response to Reply #166 |
171. This is lengthy, but worth perusing. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #171 |
175. Here is one critique |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 11:31 PM Response to Reply #175 |
185. Well, there's the rub. Most suicidal people are seriously depressed. They are ill. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 11:46 PM Response to Reply #185 |
187. does that number include |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 12:32 AM Response to Reply #187 |
189. You can look it up if you really care. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-11 01:03 AM Response to Reply #189 |
191. your argument, not mine. and I'll take that as |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 08:46 PM Response to Reply #144 |
168. I concede I overstates, but not because I was excluding suicides |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 08:56 AM Response to Reply #6 |
43. Double wrong... |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 04:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
93. "NO ONE should be allowed to carry one." This includes LEO's also does it not? n/t |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:18 PM Response to Reply #6 |
129. Upon what do you base that claim? |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 03:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
139. This opinion is pure bullshit |
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petronius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
10. I would replace "are" with "ought to be" - carrying alone doesn't make you ready and able, |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 09:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
44. Fight the way you train....you are correct. |
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aquart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
11. LOL! Is that the delusion? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:35 PM Response to Reply #11 |
77. No, just your rank fantasy... |
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johnd83 (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
12. Doesn't work in practice |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 11:30 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Oh really? |
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johnd83 (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:03 AM Response to Reply #13 |
19. This article is a little old but i doubt the statistics have changed much |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:25 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. statistically, a cop is more likely to fire |
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johnd83 (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:36 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I really wish we had something like a stun phasor |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:52 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. True |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #24 |
80. Good idea, if it wasn't used on OWS protestors! |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
134. I wish we did too. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:41 AM Response to Reply #19 |
27. Error. |
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johnd83 (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:49 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Statistically you are still far more likely to hurt yourself or your family |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:53 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Every study I have seen that made that claim... |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:53 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. The study you mention was paid for by a lobbying group |
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johnd83 (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:56 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. Uh, the study was from the New England Journal of Medicine |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 02:02 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. it was published in the New England Journal of Medicine |
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johnd83 (190 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 02:29 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. Here ya go |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 03:21 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Ah, Hemenway... |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 05:44 PM Response to Reply #36 |
94. A fourth rate economist that also takes money from said foundation and |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
99. wrong place |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 09:22 PM Response to Reply #34 |
104. The biggest problem with these once written, twice believed |
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friendly_iconoclast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 03:52 AM Response to Reply #32 |
39. Would you accept medical advice from a criminologist? |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #32 |
100. The "study" is so debunked, even MAIG and Brady |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
135. Nope - not even true. |
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Straw Man (986 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 02:58 AM Response to Reply #19 |
37. Your stats are about use in the home. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:23 PM Response to Reply #19 |
133. Old and worthless |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:40 AM Response to Reply #12 |
26. By the time he was in a position to SEE the attacker |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 09:05 AM Response to Reply #12 |
45. But he didn't.... |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:38 PM Response to Reply #12 |
79. You may wish to read again what really happened. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:21 PM Response to Reply #12 |
131. Blatantly false. |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 03:13 PM Response to Reply #12 |
140. He didn't "nearly shoot" the guy who disarmed the shooter |
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Union Scribe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 11:33 PM Response to Original message |
14. Yup. nt |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-03-11 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
16. better to just stick with comic books, I think.... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
21. We who are about to die salute you |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 09:09 AM Response to Reply #21 |
46. That's twice in two threads you've claimed to be a criminal? Why the worry? |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 11:06 AM Response to Reply #46 |
52. Nope - guns everywhere all the time + castle laws = dead innocent citizens |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
66. your math is off -- may I suggest a math class |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:29 PM Response to Reply #52 |
136. Facts say otherwise. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 09:15 AM Response to Reply #21 |
47. I think my 12 y/o plays that game -- want me to set up a play date? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
28. I would make the same statement as the subject line of the OP. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 08:52 AM Response to Reply #28 |
42. No need to carry the CPR mask anymore |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 11:58 AM Response to Reply #42 |
59. That wasn't in our last round of training. |
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pipoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 04:03 PM Response to Reply #59 |
89. I think the only time it is recommended is when |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
50. Please, Ileus, I don't want gun carriers' help/protection because guns in public are not answer and |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Walking away is always an option. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:26 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. Walking away from what -- some gun toter playing public protector? |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:38 PM Response to Reply #63 |
64. walking away from a person in need |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. I'm not saying walk away from a person in need. But, poster above thinks he's Bat Man with a gun. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:40 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. being prepared for emergencies that might arise in any given situation |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 10:07 AM Response to Reply #81 |
119. Yea, I bet you walk around with a defibrillator and other emergency equipment. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:39 PM Response to Reply #119 |
137. no, but I do know first aid and CPR. I am not qualified as a First Responder |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:50 PM Response to Reply #137 |
138. about half the time I do have a defib in my trunk |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 05:49 PM Response to Reply #119 |
151. Not a defibrilator... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 06:25 AM Response to Reply #151 |
173. Guns fit in nicely with your life saving emergency stuff. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 09:51 AM Response to Reply #173 |
177. Yep they sure do. Don't even take up any room in the saddlebags. |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 02:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
87. Uh...batman didn't use firearms, generally. LOL. N/t |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 08:39 PM Response to Reply #70 |
102. Bullshit. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 09:40 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. He won't step in. He believes that is the job of the Government ( police). n/t |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 10:06 AM Response to Reply #102 |
118. Actually, lots of things one can do without a gun -- but you won't even try leaving yours at home. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 11:01 AM Response to Reply #118 |
122. Unqualified absolute. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:13 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. You always say this"because guns in public are not answer " but you never, ever |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. Answer surely is not some cowboy walking out door ready to play police and Spider Man with a gun. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:13 PM Response to Reply #62 |
71. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Or are you just ignorant? |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 02:05 PM Response to Reply #62 |
86. Spiderman |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 02:11 PM Response to Reply #62 |
88. Uh...spiderman didn't use guns either. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 04:50 PM Response to Reply #88 |
143. Didn't he have some god-awful phlegm that squirted from the palm of his hand? nt |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 07:59 PM Response to Reply #143 |
165. Depending on the story, yes. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 08:10 PM Response to Reply #165 |
167. I always thought of Spiderman as a commentary on |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 05:51 PM Response to Reply #62 |
152. Sigh... |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 12:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
67. You have made your position clear. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:14 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. Walking out your door thinking you are a public protector with a gun is dangerous. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 10:55 PM Response to Reply #72 |
106. Like I said, you have made your position clear |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 09:53 AM Response to Reply #72 |
178. Meh - i don't claim to know what others think. |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 01:43 PM Response to Reply #50 |
82. Self-defense, or defense of others.... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 07:12 PM Response to Reply #82 |
96. OK, but what about the "public defender" part? |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 08:41 PM Response to Reply #96 |
103. In seattle, the 'caped crusaders' are actually ... wearing capes. |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 10:59 PM Response to Reply #96 |
107. You are talking about |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:53 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. Oh, that's right. They don't don't need guns. How about Bronson in "Death Wish"? |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 09:43 AM Response to Reply #109 |
117. Only because |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #109 |
155. You realize that was a movie, right? n/t |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 06:21 PM Response to Reply #109 |
157. Ummm.... (fighting for hilarity control).... |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 05:57 PM Response to Reply #96 |
154. Just because you believe people like you describe exist... |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 04:32 PM Response to Reply #154 |
179. I don't deal with beliefs, only facts |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 06:19 PM Response to Reply #96 |
156. Argueably, if I have succesfully defended myself, I have defended the public. |
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Starboard Tack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 04:36 PM Response to Reply #156 |
180. As you say "arguably" . It's all about perception |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 07:05 PM Response to Reply #50 |
95. I'm not LEO but if I come across you getting gang raped, what am I if I hide and watch? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. jpak? n/t |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 10:15 AM Response to Reply #97 |
121. Ah, Oneshooter, you might need a gun to step in and help -- but others might not need such support. |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:01 PM Response to Reply #121 |
126. That would still make them a "vigilante" according to the doctrine you espouse. n/t |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 06:58 PM Response to Reply #121 |
159. I would not "need" a gun to step in, but it would be nice to have one.... |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 10:12 AM Response to Reply #95 |
120. Why would you plan on just "watching"? News for you -- Lots of things people can do without a gun. |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 11:43 AM Response to Reply #120 |
123. Always use the right tool for the job. |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:04 PM Response to Reply #120 |
127. I would. |
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one-eyed fat man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 01:17 PM Response to Reply #120 |
128. Ignoring post 106 for a reason? |
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oneshooter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #120 |
160. Because you have told us that you do not need, nor want, to be saved. n/t |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 08:38 PM Response to Reply #50 |
101. It's been explained to you before that it has ZILCH to do with 'judge' or 'jury' |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 05:56 PM Response to Reply #50 |
153. Nobody is claiming to be. |
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Glassunion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 06:27 PM Response to Original message |
158. Nah... I just like to look like a bad ass |
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beevul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 07:22 PM Response to Reply #158 |
162. Jojo Krako supports this. |
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