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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 02:43 PM Original message |
The Endless Loop of the "Gun Show Loop Hole:" Just say it over and over... |
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jpak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
1. unrec |
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burf (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 03:00 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Never let the facts get in the way of rhetoric. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 03:15 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. He's gotta license to ...do something.... somewhere.... |
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ZombieHorde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 03:09 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Using facts to form opinions requires intellectual honesty. |
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Tuesday Afternoon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 04:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
9. rec |
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rl6214 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 02:31 AM Response to Reply #1 |
32. Of course you do, never met a fact you've ever liked. |
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brewens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 03:09 PM Response to Original message |
3. Name some of them and when they were chanting this. Who |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 03:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. A few voices, but very loud. |
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burf (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 03:16 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. I'll give you one for starters |
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brewens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 09:10 PM Response to Reply #7 |
26. The only one you come up with is almost TWO years old? n/t |
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burf (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 08:55 AM Response to Reply #26 |
35. Hint; look it up yourself, |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 09:24 AM Response to Reply #3 |
36. There are at least two right here in this thread. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 02:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
39. Sorry I could not respond earlier; this whole forum seemed to have "gone down"... |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
8. Fucking Loopholes - |
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PavePusher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 04:12 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Except that they aren't "loopholes". n/t |
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jody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 05:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. "let lunatics buy guns"? No, "It shall be unlawful for any person — . . . (4) who has been |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 03:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
41. Meanwhile...back in the real world... |
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otohara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 08:36 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. As An Anti-Anti-Gun Liberal |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 08:44 PM Response to Reply #46 |
47. Lived in Japan for over three years |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-06-11 09:39 AM Response to Reply #46 |
49. If you could present arguments based in actual fact... |
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Old Codger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 06:04 PM Response to Original message |
12. Rec |
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OneTenthofOnePercent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
13. Yup. |
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Hoyt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
14. I agree that gun show promoters should be held responsible for any crimes committed with guns sold |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 06:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. how so if no one has |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 09:42 PM Response to Reply #14 |
28. As long as we hold car dealers to the same standard. |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 03:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
42. Why should the promoter be held responsible? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 06:57 PM Response to Original message |
15. Isn't there a similar loophole for purchases at a flea market |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 07:10 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. it is still an intrastate private sale between two individuals, flea market or ad in the paper does |
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Old Codger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 10:11 PM Response to Reply #19 |
29. Oregon |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 10:16 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. must be through the state police |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 09:26 AM Response to Reply #15 |
37. Also known as the 'water cooler' loophole. And the 'major newspaper' loophole. |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 03:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
40. Assuming facts not in evidence... |
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ileus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 07:01 PM Response to Original message |
17. they see the "loophole" as a good first step no one would oppose. |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 07:04 PM Response to Original message |
18. When was this study done, and for what period of time? |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 07:31 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Everything you asked is listed right there in the OP. |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 07:35 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Ah, yes. 15 year old data. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. So your first attempt to question the scientific study crashed and burned... |
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TheCowsCameHome (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. What first attempt might that be? |
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ThoughtCriminal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
20. Same article |
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gejohnston (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 07:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. How did the ATF conduct their study? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #20 |
43. No indication of how many arms/people involved... |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 11:55 PM Response to Reply #20 |
48. As other posters note, the "gun show" figure lumps together disparate categories |
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krispos42 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
27. Playing devil's advocate here... |
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AtheistCrusader (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 09:28 AM Response to Reply #27 |
38. Quite true. |
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Remmah2 (971 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-04-11 10:50 PM Response to Original message |
31. Doughnut holes have more substance. nt |
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Euromutt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 05:41 AM Response to Original message |
33. Criminals buying the guns themselves at gun shows isn't the whole story, though |
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Scuba (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 08:26 AM Response to Original message |
34. How many do you think is OK? |
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We_Have_A_Problem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 03:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
44. Could you clarify your question? |
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SteveM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-05-11 03:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. If you mean "how many" thugs purchasing from shows is OK... |
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